GDT: Trade Deadline week around the league

[Blueline Bomber]

Meh. Of the top teams in the league right now, who still has a first round pick in this upcoming draft? If I’m not mistaken, it’s just us, Vegas, Toronto (who has Washington’s) and the Rangers (who traded Dallas’ for Tarasenko, but kept their own).

2024 is even more sparse for the top teams, except for us. We could make a real push this off-season/next trade deadline because no one else has anything.

 

[Svechhammer]

We also have to recognize that Raleigh is not a glamour market, and Dundon isn't a big-spending corporate owner. For this organization to be successful, it has to be smart. We can't afford to be a Rangers type franchise that continuously reloads with short-term deals on aging stars, knowing that they will pick up the Fox and Vesey types to refill their pipeline. We are more comparable to a Jets type franchise at the high end, or a Columbus at the low end. That's not a judgment on anybody, just the operational reality behind the scenes.

I know I'm not saying anything that people don't already know, but it's a necessary perspective at the TDL and UFA deadlines. Patrick Kane is not going to force his way here. We don't really have the financial margins to tank for years on end. First round picks are always going to be worth more to us than to other teams, distressed assets are always going to be our sweet spot for UFA and trade targets. It is what it is. Feels better to embrace it and recognize how well they have done within those limitations, than to be angry about the limitations.

Yeah but it also means we have to be willing to stomach paying more to bring in a guy via trade because we know there's not a great chance we bring them in via Free Agency. Now, once we get guys here and they see what Raleigh has, so many of them choose to stay, either while playing or in retirement, but you have to be here, first.

And what frustrates me the most is that there are few front offices that I would trust more to fill in the gaps around a core of elite talent to maximize team performance than the Canes. Hell, its one of the big reasons why I want the to aggressively go after a top guy even if that means paying too much for it, because we are really f***ing good at moneypucking the margins. You can't moneypuck elite talent, but you can moneypuck the supporting cast, and the second we sack up and get that elite talent, we're going to see immediate dividends because our front office is really good at putting the supporting cast together for pennies on the dollar.

 

[spockBokk]

No

Miller is exactly what they need, were he signed for just 1 or 2 more years, but unfortunately he’d come with an additional 7yrs and $56M and is less than 2wks from being on the wrong side of 30

 

[SlavinAway]

No to Hamilton. Tro wanted too much.

Nino was stupid. Tda should have been at least tried at 2.5-3.

Agree on the first two. In what way was Nino stupid?

Would you have taken a 40-50% haircut to not go to your hometown team if you were TDA?

 

[Borsig]

If Calgary retains, here is the deal, according to Cap Friendly Calgary will only have 1.3 million in cap space next season. The can’t afford to retain any money at this time. So how do we do that trade? We add Fast which gives us 19,167 of cap space remaining.

Don’t get me wrong I like Fast, but he is the most tradable asset we have without giving up a top 6 player

Poolparty replaces fast.... And can probably be had for under 3 next contract

 

[sheriff bart]

Sound here be like…

 

[Borsig]

Agree on the first two. In what way was Nino stupid?

Would you have taken a 40-50% haircut to not go to your hometown team if you were TDA?

We should have kept Nino. Let bear walk, use the cap for Nino.

TDA was a rfa. We could have levered him if needed. We got basically nothing for him anyway

 

[Daeavorn]

No matter which way you slice it we only have 3 top 6 players right now by points.

We were never gonna win the cup with a team like that.

Just isnt our year. Turbos play by itself is too much of hurdle if hes just gonna coast.

KK has been fine honestly.

 

[Borsig]

No matter which way you slice it we only have 3 top 6 players right now by points.

We were never gonna win the cup with a team like that.

Just isnt our year. Turbos play by itself is too much of hurdle is hes just gonna coast.

KK has been fine honestly.

I agree. Kk has been far more valuable than turbo this year with their contracts.

Its a shame but I think we need to replace Turbo. Shit, I'd move him this deadline way before kk or anyone else. Hell I might move him and slot pool party in. f*** it. We ain't getting to the ecf anyway

 

[ndp]

They swung big and got Meier, who they're probably going to sign for 8 years coming up.

When we swung big we got Hamilton, (who we let walk when his contract was up), Neiderriter, (who we let walk when his contract was up), Trocheck, (who we let walk when his contract was up), Skjei (contract still not up), etc.

Its frustrating that we have zero sustainability when we have been able to pull off a big trade in the past because our front office is scared to death of spending even $500k more than perceived value for a guy in an extension. And now, we're paralyzed from making any further big trades because we value our own prospects more than the rest of the league does, and we're hell bent on getting good value in trades.

It really feels like we're going to live in the 'distressed asset' margins from here on out, and that doesn't give the warm fuzzies about the future.

Us fans might end up learning the hard way that having an owner who’s involved in every roster decision might not be the best thing. It very rarely works out for professional sports franchises. Once ego and personal relationships get involved it can be hard to remain objective.

I think until they decide as an organization that winning games 5-2 vs 2-1 is a more viable path to a championship fans are going to have to get used to doing a little dumpster diving for goal scoring because that’s not where the team has placed it’s priorities. It’s seeming more and more like they’re willing to slightly over spend on depth to try and make up for not overspending on true high end talent. If they can add enough 10+ goal scorers to the bottom six they don’t need the 40+ guy up top. I personally think it’s one of the reasons scoring has tended to fall apart in the playoffs.

I personally don’t expect money or assets to be spent on anyone who’s even remotely a liability on defense. Or any high power offensive players who aren’t willing to take a team friendly deal. Because that goes against the core of how this franchise thinks it’s going win a championship. Or maybe more importantly keep them in the playoffs for the next 10+ years.

 

[moses malone 12]

As if Boston wasn't dirty enough with the Rat & Hathaway, now they've got Bertuzzi to add to their cheapshot list. It's gonna be a slog down the line with BOS (Orlov, Hath, Bertz), NYR (Tank, Kane), & NJD (Meier) all swinging big and loading up pretty heavily for the playoffs

this is shaping up to be a head on collision of philosophies in the eastern conference. Canes strategy is distinctly different than other top contenders this year despite Dundo's musings about liking trades, being aggressive , et al. If Carolina gets to the SCF round, he looks like a genius. 1st round exit then the fanbase and national hockey writers empty the clip on him and the team. It will be deserved.

If any team based on stats would sit tight, it would have been the Bruins. They didn't and added some serious jam and skill (Orlov) to their lineup. Big Bad Bruins appear to be back.

 

[SlavinAway]

We should have kept Nino. Let bear walk, use the cap for Nino.

TDA was a rfa. We could have levered him if needed. We got basically nothing for him anyway

Agree on Bear; and again I think we keep Nino if that had been his ask early.

Got nothing for him?! Except a '24 4th, '23 3rd, and '24 2nd.

 

[Svechhammer]

I personally don’t expect money or assets to be spent on anyone who’s even remotely a liability on defense.

We literally just traded for one yesterday

 

[Borsig]

Agree on Bear; and again I think we keep Nino if that had been his ask early.

Got nothing for him?! Except a '24 4th, '23 3rd, and '24 2nd.

The 24 2nd is the only thing of value. Didn't we already trade one of these picks? I can't even remember.

 

[Svechhammer]

this is shaping up to be a head on collision of philosophies in the eastern conference. Canes strategy is distinctly different than other top contenders this year despite Dundo's musings about liking trades, being aggressive , et al. If Carolina gets to the SCF round, he looks like a genius. 1st round exit then the fanbase and national hockey writers empty the clip on him and the team. It will be deserved.

If any team based on stats would sit tight, it would have been the Bruins. They didn't and added some serious jam and skill (Orlov) to their lineup. Big Bad Bruins appear to be back.

Its not like we're a team that will ever play like an overly physical team. Brindy has gone on record numerous times saying he 'doesn't like us getting involved in that crap'.

If we make it to a series against Boston, and that's a big if, we're going to have our hands full, because teams who play like Boston is gearing up to play have absolutely wrecked us mentally in the playoffs throughout this current run.

 

[SlavinAway]

The 24 2nd is the only thing of value. Didn't we already trade one of these picks? I can't even remember.

SJ gets the lower of ours or Philly's '23 3rd as part of the Burns deal.

But again you said we didn't get anything for him. We got a great season out of him for $1M and leveraged that for 3 picks which we turned into Burns for the same price.

There's plenty to be disappointed about; this isn't one of them.

 

[Daeavorn]

What really annoys me is the f***ins Sens have an easier time trading and signing guys than we do.

Its just completely demoralizing.

 

[Borsig]

Pasta 8 years 11.25 per.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Bertuzzi to Boston too? Everyone went all in in the East. At least 1, probably 2 will be gone before round 2. It’s nutty.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

What really annoys me is the f***ins Sens have an easier time trading and signing guys than we do.

Its just completely demoralizing.

Having better 1st rounders to trade does make trading easier

 

[robbieberns]

I’m getting flashbacks to last TDL seeing all these posts about how next year is the year we can really swing for the fences because now every other team doesn’t have anymore assets

we were all convinced that this is the year we’d load up because we were letting every team go for it last year

 

[baconandbread]

Honestly getting a goal scorer isn't going to matter to much this year when the refs put away their whistles and let Boston run wild at home. Tom Wilson might be our only hope at this point so they don't add him as well.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I’m getting flashbacks to last TDL seeing all these posts about how next year is the year we can really swing for the fences because now every other team doesn’t have anymore assets

we were all convinced that this is the year we’d load up because we were letting every team go for it last year

There is always next year

 

[Daeavorn]

I’m getting flashbacks to last TDL seeing all these posts about how next year is the year we can really swing for the fences because now every other team doesn’t have anymore assets

we were all convinced that this is the year we’d load up because we were letting every team go for it last year

That is a great point. We just need to accept they never will go all in.

We are just gonna build our team in the offseason and hope for the best.

At this point I hope the Leafs win and break their curse, and I kinda hope Boston wins.

Just to show the front office that adding is good and should be done aggressively.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Honestly getting a goal scorer isn't going to matter to much this year when the refs put away their whistles and let Boston run wild at home. Tom Wilson might be our only hope at this point so they don't add him as well.

Andersen hasn’t been stealing games for us either at the rate he was last season. Do we really trust our chances?