GDT: Trade Deadline week around the league

[Svechhammer]

I get it, I don't feel dissimilarly; but at the same time I wouldn't trade spots with any of those teams that won those trades either.

Sure NJ is on a big upswing and is going to be good for a while but it's to be expected with who they've been able to draft over the last 5 years.

They swung big and got Meier, who they're probably going to sign for 8 years coming up.

When we swung big we got Hamilton, (who we let walk when his contract was up), Neiderriter, (who we let walk when his contract was up), Trocheck, (who we let walk when his contract was up), Skjei (contract still not up), etc.

Its frustrating that we have zero sustainability when we have been able to pull off a big trade in the past because our front office is scared to death of spending even $500k more than perceived value for a guy in an extension. And now, we're paralyzed from making any further big trades because we value our own prospects more than the rest of the league does, and we're hell bent on getting good value in trades.

It really feels like we're going to live in the 'distressed asset' margins from here on out, and that doesn't give the warm fuzzies about the future.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I’m thinking the Canes are going to package Gostisbehere with say a Fast and Target someone like Laine.
Think about what that would bring

Laine Aho JP or Tevo
Svech KK Necas

Martinook Staal Jarvis or JP

Noesen Stansny Tevo, or Jarvis

our PP improves with Laine, Tevo is still on the PK. Our scoring ability on the 3rd land 4th
line increases

why would Columbus do this? Fast is Great in the Locker Room, Gostisbehere gives them points from the points, a 1st, philly’s 3rd, 2023, and 2nd 2024, and if need be Morrow and/or Drury, and that would be a haul that any team looking to rebuild would have a hard time turning down, IMO

Wut?

 

[Borsig]

Lol we aren't f***ing getting Laine.

 

[Svechhammer]

Agreed. Thanks for a response that’s not condescending.

The condescending attitudes are rife throughout the fanbase right now. Basically, if you're even the slightest bit frustrated about what happened this week, you're not a true Canes fan and your opinion isn't valid

 

[mikeyfan]

Wut?

 

[bobc222]

TVR? Another depth defenseman? y tho

 

[raynman]

I’m thinking the Canes are going to package Gostisbehere with say a Fast and Target someone like Laine.
Think about what that would bring

Laine Aho JP or Tevo
Svech KK Necas

Martinook Staal Jarvis or JP

Noesen Stansny Tevo, or Jarvis

our PP improves with Laine, Tevo is still on the PK. Our scoring ability on the 3rd land 4th
line increases

why would Columbus do this? Fast is Great in the Locker Room, Gostisbehere gives them points from the points, a 1st, philly’s 3rd, 2023, and 2nd 2024, and if need be Morrow and/or Drury, and that would be a haul that any team looking to rebuild would have a hard time turning down, IMO

Why would they trade Ghostisbehere after just acquiring when he fills a need (PP qb/depth d-man)?

 

[mikeyfan]

Lol we aren't f***ing getting Laine.

we don’t know what the front office is doing, we have been known to pull off some deals that were unexpected as mentioned on these boards, I.e. Trocheck and Skjei. I don’t see many better suggestions on picking up a top player do you? Maybe not Laine, but I can see Fast being packaged for a top player, since he will be a UFA next season

 

[spockBokk]

I’m thinking the Canes are going to package Gostisbehere with say a Fast and Target someone like Laine.
Think about what that would bring

Laine Aho JP or Tevo
Svech KK Necas

Martinook Staal Jarvis or JP

Noesen Stansny Tevo, or Jarvis

our PP improves with Laine, Tevo is still on the PK. Our scoring ability on the 3rd land 4th
line increases

why would Columbus do this? Fast is Great in the Locker Room, Gostisbehere gives them points from the points, a 1st, philly’s 3rd, 2023, and 2nd 2024, and if need be Morrow and/or Drury, and that would be a haul that any team looking to rebuild would have a hard time turning down, IMO

Death, taxes and absurdly illogical proposals, never change…

 

[mikeyfan]

Why would they trade Ghostisbehere after just acquiring when he fills a need (PP qb/depth d-man)?

Would you rather package Skjei?

Death, taxes and absurdly illogical proposals, never change…

its Only illogical to those who can’t think outside the box.

 

[moses malone 12]

we don’t know what the front office is doing, we have been known to pull off some deals that were unexpected as mentioned on these boards, I.e. Trocheck and Skjei. I don’t see many better suggestions on picking up a top player do you? Maybe not Laine, but I can see Fast being packaged for a top player, since he will be a UFA next seon

don't think the team is removing anyone from the roster except Coughlan. I think I read the Canes are sniffing around for Backlund from Calgary. there's the #2 center for us. under contract 1 more season. Fits the strategy.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

FOMO effect at play. Unless the Canes or Devils win the conference, this could become the new normal. Forget the historical basis for value.

 

[raynman]

Would you rather package Skjei?


its Only illogical to those who can’t think outside the box.

It’s been inferred that they aren’t trading anyone from the current roster. Laine would be an off-season move.

 

[WreckingCrew]

As if Boston wasn't dirty enough with the Rat & Hathaway, now they've got Bertuzzi to add to their cheapshot list. It's gonna be a slog down the line with BOS (Orlov, Hath, Bertz), NYR (Tank, Kane), & NJD (Meier) all swinging big and loading up pretty heavily for the playoffs

 

[SlavinAway]

They swung big and got Meier, who they're probably going to sign for 8 years coming up.

When we swung big we got Hamilton, (who we let walk when his contract was up), Neiderriter, (who we let walk when his contract was up), Trocheck, (who we let walk when his contract was up), Skjei (contract still not up), etc.

Its frustrating that we have zero sustainability when we have been able to pull off a big trade in the past because our front office is scared to death of spending even $500k more than perceived value for a guy in an extension. And now, we're paralyzed from making any further big trades because we value our own prospects more than the rest of the league does, and we're hell bent on getting good value in trades.

It really feels like we're going to live in the 'distressed asset' margins from here on out, and that doesn't give the warm fuzzies about the future.

Could be that you're right.

The Meier vs Hamilton/Nino/Tro/Skjei argument is apples to oranges though. I think we absolutely would've signed Meier/Tkachuk if we got them.

Would you honestly want us to have the contracts that Dougie and Tro got? I also think we would've signed Nino for what he got but his agent botched that one and by the time the ask came down we already made our moves. I also think we would've nabbed Nino last weekend if the Meier situation had come to a head sooner.

I agree with @MadeUpName that it can make sense why we didn't win any of these trades and still be disappointed. I just also think that it's not a reason to be labelling the season a failure and thinking we're doomed in the playoffs already.

 

[User13452]

How will they be just as good? They will limited cap space with a ton of holes

Because guys are known to take discounts like Bergeron krejci. The bruins aren’t falling off just yet they still got a few good years left

TVR? Another depth defenseman? y tho

Makes 0 sense

 

[mikeyfan]

It’s been inferred that they aren’t trading anyone from the current roster. Laine would be an off-season move.

My understanding was it wasn’t going to be a top 6 player, maybe I’m wrong but Fast to me would be the logical choice to add to our existing cap space

 

[spockBokk]

Would you rather package Skjei?


its Only illogical to those who can’t think outside the box.

Or for those who can actually think, some times it seems you don’t do that, you know, think

 

[Svechhammer]

Could be that you're right.

The Meier vs Hamilton/Nino/Tro/Skjei argument is apples to oranges though. I think we absolutely would've signed Meier/Tkachuk if we got them.

Would you honestly want us to have the contracts that Dougie and Tro got? I also think we would've signed Nino for what he got but his agent botched that one and by the time the ask came down we already made our moves. I also think we would've nabbed Nino last weekend if the Meier situation had come to a head sooner.

I agree with @MadeUpName that it can make sense why we didn't win any of these trades and still be disappointed. I just also think that it's not a reason to be labelling the season a failure and thinking we're doomed in the playoffs already.

Honestly, looking at some of the contracts being given out now, that Dougie contract doesn't look that bad. Him and Slavin were a great pair, and we could really use his offense right now. We've been flailing around trying to replace his production since we left, and still haven't found it, to the point of getting outright terrible defenders in TDA and Gost in hopes to get something that works.

Tro? I dunno, probably wasn't worth it, but we probably needed to bring back either him or Nino, and we let them both go.

And instead, we sign Kotkaniemi to a 8 year contract despite him not doing anything to prove himself worth it. (not saying I disagree with giving him the contract he got, I think it'll look cheap as soon as next year, but.... You give him 8 years and balk at the ones we did balk at, and it does make you scratch your head a bit).

 

[tarheelhockey]

They swung big and got Meier, who they're probably going to sign for 8 years coming up.

When we swung big we got Hamilton, (who we let walk when his contract was up), Neiderriter, (who we let walk when his contract was up), Trocheck, (who we let walk when his contract was up), Skjei (contract still not up), etc.

Its frustrating that we have zero sustainability when we have been able to pull off a big trade in the past because our front office is scared to death of spending even $500k more than perceived value for a guy in an extension. And now, we're paralyzed from making any further big trades because we value our own prospects more than the rest of the league does, and we're hell bent on getting good value in trades.

It really feels like we're going to live in the 'distressed asset' margins from here on out, and that doesn't give the warm fuzzies about the future.

We also have to recognize that Raleigh is not a glamour market, and Dundon isn't a big-spending corporate owner. For this organization to be successful, it has to be smart. We can't afford to be a Rangers type franchise that continuously reloads with short-term deals on aging stars, knowing that they will pick up the Fox and Vesey types to refill their pipeline. We are more comparable to a Jets type franchise at the high end, or a Columbus at the low end. That's not a judgment on anybody, just the operational reality behind the scenes.

I know I'm not saying anything that people don't already know, but it's a necessary perspective at the TDL and UFA deadlines. Patrick Kane is not going to force his way here. We don't really have the financial margins to tank for years on end. First round picks are always going to be worth more to us than to other teams, distressed assets are always going to be our sweet spot for UFA and trade targets. It is what it is. Feels better to embrace it and recognize how well they have done within those limitations, than to be angry about the limitations.

 

[Borsig]

No to Hamilton. Tro wanted too much.

Nino was stupid. Tda should have been at least tried at 2.5-3.

 

[spockBokk]

I wonder how many more Kotkaniemi+ for Miller proposals will pop up over the next 24hrs…

 

[Borsig]

I wonder how many more Kotkaniemi+ for Miller proposals will pop up over the next 24hrs…

No

 

[mikeyfan]

don't think the team is removing anyone from the roster except Coughlan. I think I read the Canes are sniffing around for Backlund from Calgary. there's the #2 center for us. under contract 1 more season. Fits the strategy.

If Calgary retains, here is the deal, according to Cap Friendly Calgary will only have 1.3 million in cap space next season. The can’t afford to retain any money at this time. So how do we do that trade? We add Fast which gives us 19,167 of cap space remaining.

Don’t get me wrong I like Fast, but he is the most tradable asset we have without giving up a top 6 player

 

[tarheelhockey]

Honestly, looking at some of the contracts being given out now, that Dougie contract doesn't look that bad. Him and Slavin were a great pair, and we could really use his offense right now. We've been flailing around trying to replace his production since we left, and still haven't found it, to the point of getting outright terrible defenders in TDA and Gost in hopes to get something that works.

Burns is a top-10 scoring defenseman this season. I don't understand this criticism at all.