GDT: Trade Deadline week around the league

[Chrispy]

We should have kept Nino. Let bear walk, use the cap for Nino.

TDA was a rfa. We could have levered him if needed. We got basically nothing for him anyway

TDA had arbitration rights, and a track record that included a $4.8M contract from the Rangers for his play. Carolina had no leverage.

Being able to flip TDA and bring in Burns for only $280K more than TDA signed for in Philadelphia was a great move.

 

[Borsig]

I'd love to have Wilson. Pay his salary just to take runs at people.

 

[Dishface]

I'm so torn on saying screw it, I'd rather see how far we can go as is and save assets. BUT that will likely get us beat in the 2nd round again, so swing for the fences. We kept our top 2 prospects, now use those others to keep up. I think we are done though unless we unload a roster player which we won't....

 

[ndp]

We literally just traded for one yesterday

That’s a 3rd round pick for a PP specialist rental. I meant more along the lines of anything of real value, 1st plus multiple prospects type of thing.

 

[spockBokk]

Vrana at 25% for a 5th, then another pick for another 25% retention somewhere and done…

Anyone want to post a potential over/under on that…heh

 

[ndp]

Honestly getting a goal scorer isn't going to matter to much this year when the refs put away their whistles and let Boston run wild at home. Tom Wilson might be our only hope at this point so they don't add him as well.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I’m getting flashbacks to last TDL seeing all these posts about how next year is the year we can really swing for the fences because now every other team doesn’t have anymore assets

we were all convinced that this is the year we’d load up because we were letting every team go for it last year

I don't recall that at all. We were at the cap limit last year and have been a cap limit team under Dundon. All this season, we expected to have no cap space to do anything at the deadline. It wasn't until Pacioretty went down the 2nd time that we thought we'd make a move at the deadline.

 

[StormCast]

don't think the team is removing anyone from the roster except Coughlan. I think I read the Canes are sniffing around for Backlund from Calgary. there's the #2 center for us. under contract 1 more season. Fits the strategy.

If you're going to make a trade with Calgary for a guy with one more year, it's Lindholm if you can pry him away. He checks more boxes: better goal scorer, better on the PP, better on draws, and critically a RHS which helps both the PP and faceoffs, etc. He slots in at 2C and KK moves to 4C to play with Noesen and JP. That 4th line becomes more physical and ups its forecheck game exponentially.

Obviously, you need a very attractive package including a 1st + top prospects. Probably Drury and Morrow, who likely were two of the four prospects offered up for Meier. Morrow would hurt but Drury, whose upside to me is only 3C, is redundant given KK's contract. Double retention would be needed and a roster spare part would need to be waived and/or sent to Chicago.

Admittedly lots of moving parts and assumptions but doable and you'd have most of this roster together again for next season too.

 

[AD Skinner]

The only players left that I’d really be interested in are Henrique (if he’s not prohibitively injured) or Toffoli (if he’s actually available). If they don’t get anyone else, yeah it’s a bummer based on the cap we had to play with but for real- this is one of the best teams in the league and has been for several years now. If they don’t win a cup with this core or office or whatever, I’m still having a damn sight more fun with them now than I did at any point from 2011-2018.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Vrana at 25% for a 5th, then another pick for another 25% retention somewhere and done…

Anyone want to post a potential over/under on that…heh

If Vrana was going to be a real buy out candidate, his buyout would be 1.4 and 1.9 million in cap hit the next 2 seasons. Say we send our 2nd next season for 2 million in retention, would that get it done?

2 mil vs 3.3 million hit?

Send coghlan to Anaheim for a bottom half round pick or something. We would be cap compliant by 100k or so

 

[spockBokk]

If Vrana was going to be a real buy out candidate, his buyout would be 1.4 and 1.9 million in cap hit the next 2 seasons. Say we send our 2nd next season for 2 million in retention, would that get it done?

2 mil vs 3.3 million hit?

Send coghlan to Anaheim for a bottom half round pick or something. We would be cap compliant by 100k or so

With him going unclaimed, I’d hope you could get him for less than a 2nd even with significant retention. I think if any team offered that DET would take it, immediately

 

[MadeUpName]

The only players left that I’d really be interested in are Henrique (if he’s not prohibitively injured) or Toffoli (if he’s actually available). If they don’t get anyone else, yeah it’s a bummer based on the cap we had to play with but for real- this is one of the best teams in the league and has been for several years now. If they don’t win a cup with this core or office or whatever, I’m still having a damn sight more fun with them now than I did at any point from 2011-2018.

Garland could work with retention
JVR with double retention
Domi seems most likely although another team may pay up for him

A Hail Mary might be Monahan for pennies if he can be had. Pray he can stay healthy for one Playoff run.

 

[Chrispy]

I don't recall that at all. We were at the cap limit last year and have been a cap limit team under Dundon. All this season, we expected to have no cap space to do anything at the deadline. It wasn't until Pacioretty went down the 2nd time that we thought we'd make a move at the deadline.

I was one of those thinking most of the East contenders shot their shot last year.

NJ had not and took a huge step forward.
Tampa and Boston continue to mortgage hard.
NYR got a very advantageous deal for Kane, but still mortgaged pretty hard for Tarasenko.

We have seen the consequences of Florida shooting their shot last year. Florida could use some draft capital in 2023 or 2024; maybe they are willing to move someone. But third-party retention on Bennett or Reinhart for multiple years is going to be difficult (and expensive for Carolina) now.

I didn't mind the Puljujarvi move; I didn't mind the Gostisbehere move. But together they have put Carolina in a tight spot for making one last move.

 

[spockBokk]

Garland could work with retention
JVR with double retention
Domi seems most likely although another team may pay up for him

A Hail Mary might be Monahan for pennies if he can be had. Pray he can stay healthy for one Playoff run.

Forgot about Monahan, that’s got CAR at 2:59pm written all over it…

 

[baconandbread]

Both this and what I said can be true at the same time. Non calls have zero to do with what is actually called a penalty. On paper Boston would likely be the most penalized team in the playoffs, we'll need to see if it actually works out that way

 

[Chrispy]

Garland could work with retention
JVR with double retention
Domi seems most likely although another team may pay up for him

A Hail Mary might be Monahan for pennies if he can be had. Pray he can stay healthy for one Playoff run.

They could fit Monahan at 50% retention by sending Coghlan down. If they don't put Monahan on LTIR it shows they are compliant with him, which should remove complaints of cap shenanigans.

That feels more likely than any other move I've seen mentioned.

 

[raynman]

Vrana has 22 goals in his last 42 games with the Red Wings. Why has he fallen out of favor?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Forgot about Monahan, that’s got CAR at 2:59pm written all over it…

If Montreal would do Coghlan and a condition led 7th that could make it all the way to a 2nd, sure that could work

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yeah but it also means we have to be willing to stomach paying more to bring in a guy via trade because we know there's not a great chance we bring them in via Free Agency.

Paying more in trades means losing 1st round picks. That means you run out of young talent in a hurry, which means getting into cap hell because you're overpaying UFAs. That means long stretches outside the playoffs and perhaps becoming an outright tank team.

Remember when a long stretch outside the playoffs had us one Tom Dundon acquisition away from being in no-bullshit relocation negotiations? It's not advisable to build stretches like that into our business model.

Now, once we get guys here and they see what Raleigh has, so many of them choose to stay, either while playing or in retirement, but you have to be here, first.

True, but you could say that about any city in the league. Buffalo has guys who choose to stay in retirement. Columbus, even Winnipeg. If you settle down anywhere and happen to be super rich and treated like royalty, that will be a nice place to retire. Raleigh doesn't really have a market edge in that respect (especially now that it's no longer dirt cheap to buy property here).

And what frustrates me the most is that there are few front offices that I would trust more to fill in the gaps around a core of elite talent to maximize team performance than the Canes. Hell, its one of the big reasons why I want the to aggressively go after a top guy even if that means paying too much for it, because we are really f***ing good at moneypucking the margins. You can't moneypuck elite talent, but you can moneypuck the supporting cast, and the second we sack up and get that elite talent, we're going to see immediate dividends because our front office is really good at putting the supporting cast together for pennies on the dollar.

In the long run, the best strategy for our franchise is to be experts at distressed assets. Every so often, an elite player wears out his welcome and gets moved for way less than he should cost. Joe Thornton is probably the all-time example of that, but lower level examples come up maybe once a year or so. Those are the best opportunities to move the needle without cutting ourselves off at the knees long-term. Trying to compete with the field for free agents won't get us anywhere, and dumping draft picks to get an edge on the trade market catches up quickly. We have a niche as an org that can run with the big dogs by playing moneyball. Part of being successful is knowing who we are, and sticking to it.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Vrana has 22 goals in his last 42 games with the Red Wings. Why has he fallen out of favor?

Personal problems

With him going unclaimed, I’d hope you could get him for less than a 2nd even with significant retention. I think if any team offered that DET would take it, immediately

Retention is expensive

 

[raynman]

Personal problems


Retention is expensive

And they say business isn’t personal

 

[Chrispy]

Vrana has 22 goals in his last 42 games with the Red Wings. Why has he fallen out of favor?

3 games since October, and 2 total shots in those 3 games?

And he's less likely now that Carolina is strapped for cap this year. Detroit isn't retaining on Vrana for 2 more years.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Vrana has 22 goals in his last 42 games with the Red Wings. Why has he fallen out of favor?

Spent two months earlier this season in the player assistance program. Dealing with some personal issues.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Not sure I buy the unattractive market theory in 2023. Burns waived his NTC to be here. Tkachuk had the team on his short list. I haven’t seen anything other than valuation to explain the departures of Hamilton and Trocheck.

 

[bleedgreen]

Vrana has 22 goals in his last 42 games with the Red Wings. Why has he fallen out of favor?

He went to the players assistance program this year. There were rumors saying it was substance based, and he had a publicly noted long and overboard celebration winning the cup with the Caps. No one knows if he felt he wanted to go or if the team strongly suggested he go. After he was done with his stint he was badly out of shape and struggling even in the minors. He eventually got it in gear in the AHL, and they called him up and are playing him purely to trade him. I assume Yzerman and his staff are generally good human beings so to be pushing a guy out the door in the middle of something like that says that there were some bridges burned behind the scenes imo. He makes some good coin as well, not that Detroit is that worried about that Cap wise.