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Trxjw said:
Can you explain to me how Marty Havlat or Chris Drury's deals looked better as the years went by?
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The "end" years of contracts are the price of doing business in the world of unrestricted free agency. If we are going to have this attitude towards all players that resign we should just stop resigning players. Invariably players are going to have a drop off. The Rangers aren't rebuilding...

It's funny, we have fans that prayed for a player like Callahan for years. Literally, go through threads from 10 years ago around this time, during the exodus of the 2004 trade deadline. Now, we have a player that gives his all, has done everything asked of him, Can play on just about any line and be effective. Can kill penalties with the best of them. Can be effective on the power play, and for months all fans do is **** on Callahan. These are the same fans that hated Dubinsky when he was here but miss his grit that he's gone. The same fans that couldn't justify paying Prust but now say we should've resigned him. It's hysterical....

Is Callahan asking for more than he's worth? No, because we can find comparable players making comparable money. That doesn't matter though...It doesn't matter that the Rangers are in the thick of the playoff race. We have fans say "look at the past two games" as if the whole season comes down to how the played this past weekend. Great the season isn't over. We have fans that would rather have draft picks than proven NHL players....

Would I pay Callahan what he wants? Probably not but I would pay him what the Rangers are offering him. The raise that Callahan is asking for is what the Rangers are paying Powe and Asham in Hartford.

Did I miss the memo that said the cap is going down anytime soon?
 
At this point cally cant be signed. If he gets signed for 6 years at 6 mil the fans are going to kill him anytime he doesnt score or when hes slumping. Hes gonna be the whipping boy for 6 years
 
My personal guess is he gets traded for moulson straight up if he continues to be greedy with money. Moulson gives the same production and i think it's safe to say he won't ask for 7mill. Plus that means callahan gets traded to buffalo and the sabres won't have to worry about him killing them anymore. :sarcasm:
 
FromTheSide said:
My personal guess is he gets traded for moulson straight up if he continues to be greedy with money. Moulson gives the same production and i think it's safe to say he won't ask for 7mill. Plus that means callahan gets traded to buffalo and the sabres won't have to worry about him killing them anymore. :sarcasm:
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Is the entire post sarcasm? Buffalo doesn't waste an asset on a guy they're signing in 4 months.

If the Rangers do not sign him, the Sabres are. So why flip Moulson, Stewart, et al for a guy you will inevitably get for free?
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
The "end" years of contracts are the price of doing business in the world of unrestricted free agency. If we are going to have this attitude towards all players that resign we should just stop resigning players. Invariably players are going to have a drop off. The Rangers aren't rebuilding...

It's funny, we have fans that prayed for a player like Callahan for years. Literally, go through threads from 10 years ago around this time, during the exodus of the 2004 trade deadline. Now, we have a player that gives his all, has done everything asked of him, Can play on just about any line and be effective. Can kill penalties with the best of them. Can be effective on the power play, and for months all fans do is **** on Callahan. These are the same fans that hated Dubinsky when he was here but miss his grit that he's gone. The same fans that couldn't justify paying Prust but now say we should've resigned him. It's hysterical....

Is Callahan asking for more than he's worth? No, because we can find comparable players making comparable money. That doesn't matter though...It doesn't matter that the Rangers are in the thick of the playoff race. We have fans say "look at the past two games" as if the whole season comes down to how the played this past weekend. Great the season isn't over. We have fans that would rather have draft picks than proven NHL players....

Would I pay Callahan what he wants? Probably not but I would pay him what the Rangers are offering him. The raise that Callahan is asking for is what the Rangers are paying Powe and Asham in Hartford.

Did I miss the memo that said the cap is going down anytime soon?
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And through a lot of the years we were not making the playoffs, this team did not develop players properly and there was no salary cap.

I am sorry SOS, i usually agree with your opinions, but i disagree here. I dont hate callahan, love the guy.. But just because the cap is going up doesnt mean you should give money away. He is simply not a $6 million player. He isn't. You could make the argument he is a $5 million player if you use Horton's freshly signed contract this past summer as a comparison. A better producer.

And i wouldve been ok with $5.5 million. But $6-$6.5 is too much. That is money that could go towards Zucc's raise.
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
The "end" years of contracts are the price of doing business in the world of unrestricted free agency. If we are going to have this attitude towards all players that resign we should just stop resigning players. Invariably players are going to have a drop off. The Rangers aren't rebuilding...

It's funny, we have fans that prayed for a player like Callahan for years. Literally, go through threads from 10 years ago around this time, during the exodus of the 2004 trade deadline. Now, we have a player that gives his all, has done everything asked of him, Can play on just about any line and be effective. Can kill penalties with the best of them. Can be effective on the power play, and for months all fans do is **** on Callahan. These are the same fans that hated Dubinsky when he was here but miss his grit that he's gone. The same fans that couldn't justify paying Prust but now say we should've resigned him. It's hysterical....

Is Callahan asking for more than he's worth? No, because we can find comparable players making comparable money. That doesn't matter though...It doesn't matter that the Rangers are in the thick of the playoff race. We have fans say "look at the past two games" as if the whole season comes down to how the played this past weekend. Great the season isn't over. We have fans that would rather have draft picks than proven NHL players....

Would I pay Callahan what he wants? Probably not but I would pay him what the Rangers are offering him. The raise that Callahan is asking for is what the Rangers are paying Powe and Asham in Hartford.

Did I miss the memo that said the cap is going down anytime soon?
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When will it be okay to spend money on goal scoring?

I can't justify paying a third-liner that kind of money...

You also talked a lot about Callahan's PAST, most of the people are worried about what Callahan will be like in the FUTURE, even just a few years into this new 6 year contract...

His game has changed so much the past 2 years, you don't see him hitting or getting at the net near as much as he used to... his powerplay effectiveness doesn't seem as noticeable as it once was either.

Ofcourse I can't predict the future, but 4 years from now we will be paying a shot-blocker/penalty killer, 6 million dollars a year for 60 games a season?

Just seems really unreasonable...I will always be thankful for what Cally's done to this point as a ranger, but I don't think its a good decision to pay him all this money for his PAST effectiveness.
 
stan the caddy said:
Do you honestly think he won't be able to get 6 per in free agency?

Yes or No?
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Can Cally get 6 per yr in free agency? Probably. However, that doesn't mean he is worth 6 per to NY. IMO: he isn't.

Regarding his offense, he doesn't seem to have the ability to finish. He is taking up a spot on the PP that might better be given to someone else. Who? It doesn't have to be on the current roster. A 6 Million dollar savings is a great start to build a nest egg for a proven scorer.

Thus, the question is whether his defense / leadership while playing on the third line commands a salary of greater than 3 or 4 mill? Maybe intangibles gets some to 5?

Unfortunately, the Rangers need to bolster their offense. Defensive specialists / gritty players are a luxury that the team can't currently afford under their cap. Cally has been a great leader and perhaps losing him will weaken the character of the team? At this moment, mgt needs to take chances by giving up assets. Most recognize that the team is not currently constructed to go far in the playoffs. IMO: Holding onto Cally for the next 6 years blocks progress more than it helps carry the team forward.
 
Cmox said:
Apparently 62% are.
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That's criminally low and I imagine there are quite a few fans who don't understand fully the implications for such a contract. To them it boils down to, "Why wouldn't you re-sign your captain, the heart and soul?"
 
Ail said:
That's criminally low and I imagine there are quite a few fans who don't understand fully the implications for such a contract. To them it boils down to, "Why wouldn't you re-sign your captain, the heart and soul?"
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You're definitely right about this.
 
If Ryan Callahan was 25, i would have no problem with a 6.5x6 deal. but six years for a 29 year old with the type of game he plays... nope.

If he wants years? 4.5av for 6 years.
If he wants dollars? 6.5av for 2 years.

As far as im concerned, he can have his dollars, or his years. not both.
 
NYRFAN218 said:
McKenzie's about to come on NHL Live.
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Didn't really say anything we didn't know. NYR offering 6 x 6, Callahan's came back with 6 years just short of 6.5. He said there's two ways of looking at it, one being that the gap is relatively small and that they'll just split the difference or the other being that Callahan may not go any lower feeling he could get more on the open market while the Rangers may not go any higher feeling they already went the extra mile with their offer and that they're already overpaying him when he may be a 5.5 or 5.75 million dollar player.
 
NYRFAN218 said:
Didn't really say anything we didn't know. NYR offering 6 x 6, Callahan's came back with 6 years just short of 6.5. He said there's two ways of looking at it, one being that the gap is relatively small and that they'll just split the difference or the other being that Callahan may not go any lower feeling he could get more on the open market while the Rangers may not go any higher feeling they already went the extra mile with their offer and that they're already overpaying him when he may be a 5.5 or 5.75 million dollar player.
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Everyone please stop compromising.

Ship this fool out ASAP.
 
If 6x6 is on the table and Cally says no, then goodbye, brother.

His pal dubinsky tried this game and wound up in Ohio.
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
The "end" years of contracts are the price of doing business in the world of unrestricted free agency. If we are going to have this attitude towards all players that resign we should just stop resigning players. Invariably players are going to have a drop off. The Rangers aren't rebuilding...

It's funny, we have fans that prayed for a player like Callahan for years. Literally, go through threads from 10 years ago around this time, during the exodus of the 2004 trade deadline. Now, we have a player that gives his all, has done everything asked of him, Can play on just about any line and be effective. Can kill penalties with the best of them. Can be effective on the power play, and for months all fans do is **** on Callahan. These are the same fans that hated Dubinsky when he was here but miss his grit that he's gone. The same fans that couldn't justify paying Prust but now say we should've resigned him. It's hysterical....

Is Callahan asking for more than he's worth? No, because we can find comparable players making comparable money. That doesn't matter though...It doesn't matter that the Rangers are in the thick of the playoff race. We have fans say "look at the past two games" as if the whole season comes down to how the played this past weekend. Great the season isn't over. We have fans that would rather have draft picks than proven NHL players....

Would I pay Callahan what he wants? Probably not but I would pay him what the Rangers are offering him. The raise that Callahan is asking for is what the Rangers are paying Powe and Asham in Hartford.

Did I miss the memo that said the cap is going down anytime soon?
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Agree 100%
 
Edit: speculation in the wrong thread. My bad. Go ahead and kill the post.
 
I think the ? is what is the max # we think we can sign him for, and still flip him in the offseason if we have/want to?

I think as paramount as the term and $ is, the most important lynchpin to me is what restrictions if any. NMC? NTC?

Even if we indirectly eat a small piece of an expensive new deal, it would seem enhancing Cally's value for max return is pivotal to any deal we'd consider.

Or am I overlooking something?.....
 
NYRFAN218 said:
Didn't really say anything we didn't know. NYR offering 6 x 6, Callahan's came back with 6 years just short of 6.5. He said there's two ways of looking at it, one being that the gap is relatively small and that they'll just split the difference or the other being that Callahan may not go any lower feeling he could get more on the open market while the Rangers may not go any higher feeling they already went the extra mile with their offer and that they're already overpaying him when he may be a 5.5 or 5.75 million dollar player.
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ding, ding, ding.
 
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