Pre-Game Talk: Trade Deadline: Valid Rumors ONLY (Confirmed Trades in OP / Vanek to MTL )

[stan the caddy]

Well this is your problem right here. You cant grasp that no one is saying we dont appreciate what he brings. There is not a fan on these boards that does not love callahan. We all do. But you have to draw a line. Those "other aspects of his game" are replaceable and by much cheaper and likely younger players.

They're not replaceable. How many players play as hard as him, thow 250+ hits in a season, block shots, kill penalties, and still manage to score 20+ goals?

Yea, Cally might only get you 50 points but he literally does everything.

I'm sorry but based on the market 6 per is very realistic, I've provided examples.

A lot of people around here seem to have been insulted by him and/or don't think he's that good. That's fine, but don't tell me 6 per is outrageous when it's clearly not.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Every year, it's the same thing. They are called "negotiations" for a reason. One party comes to the table with a high number, the other party comes to the table with a low number...they negotiate and end up somewhere in the middle.

It's like buying a used car. Of course the guy selling is going to ask for more than the car is worth...and the buyer is going to offer less than he's willing to pay.

I'm confident that between now and Wednesday, Cally will be signed for a number we can live with.

Whats a number we can live with?

For me its no more than 4 years.

But beyond that, do we want to move in a different direction and allocate resources of 5-6-7 million to a forward whos worth that type of contract?

 

[Whiplash27]

Ryan Callahan - 45GP, 11G, 25P. 0.56 PPG.
Brandon Dubinsky - 54GP, 12G, 37P. 0.69 PPG.

Dubinsky makes $4.2M per year. I remember people once said that Dubinsky's deal was terrible. Are Callahan's "intangibles" with the offset of durability issues worth an extra $2M to $3M per year?

 

[broadwayblue]

If I were the Rangers GM, I would not go over $5 Million for 5 years.

Yup, that would be my best and final offer. And I think that's quite generous.

Personally, I'd like to see the team go in a different direction.

 

[AHB*]

Whats a number we can live with?

For me its no more than 4 years.

But beyond that, do we want to move in a different direction and allocate resources of 5-6-7 million to a forward whos worth that type of contract?

4.5 million i can stomach at 5 years.

5 million i'd live with.

anything more, i'm sick.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Would you give Brad Marchand 6 years $36m?

Except for Marchand being better and younger, right? Marchand is only 25 and is on pace for 50+ points three years in a row (36 in lockout last year, 38 so far this year). Marchand is the guy who actually is worth 6x6. Marchand's career point per game is significantly higher. He's a great penalty killer too.

 

[RGY]

They're not replaceable. How many players play as hard as him, thow 250+ hits in a season, block shots, kill penalties, and still manage to score 20+ goals?

Yea, Cally might only get you 50 points but he literally does everything.

I'm sorry but based on the market 6 per is very realistic, I've provided examples.

A lot of people around here seem to have been insulted by him and/or don't think he's that good. That's fine, but don't tell me 6 per is outrageous when it's clearly not.

They are replaceable. You just dont think so because the rangers have had callahan all this time and have not had to look for that type of player. When he goes, they will find someone to fill that hole.
Maybe even JT Miller to a lesser extent.

You still dont pay $6 million for 20 goal scorers.

And like i said...he is not a 50 point player because of one season where they went to the ECF..so stop using that as leverage.

 

[Trxjw]

Ryan Callahan - 45GP, 11G, 25P. 0.56 PPG.
Brandon Dubinsky - 54GP, 12G, 37P. 0.69 PPG.

Dubinsky makes $4.2M per year. I remember people once said that Dubinsky's deal was terrible. Are Callahan's "intangibles" with the offset of durability issues worth an extra $2M to $3M per year?

People were upset with Dubinsky's deal when he was scoring 30 points with the Rangers. Besides, the Jackets could very well be dealing with this problem next year as well.

That being said, I don't think Callahan is worth the money he's asking for, or the money the Rangers are offering. They're paying for nostalgia and emotional attachment.

 

[stan the caddy]

Christ...

But points do matter when you are asking for $6 million dollars!!!!!! **** sake. Callahan has had ONE 50 point season so you cant even call him a 50 point player that adds other things. He is a 40 point player with other things.

Honestly, you need to sharpen your reading comprehension skills. I did not say points don't matter, stop trying to spin my argument.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

They're not replaceable. How many players play as hard as him, thow 250+ hits in a season, block shots, kill penalties, and still manage to score 20+ goals?

Yea, Cally might only get you 50 points but he literally does everything.

I'm sorry but based on the market 6 per is very realistic, I've provided examples.

A lot of people around here seem to have been insulted by him and/or don't think he's that good. That's fine, but don't tell me 6 per is outrageous when it's clearly not.

What do you mean "might only get you 50 points". He won't get you 50 points, period. He is replaceable. He's the definition of replaceable.

 

[AHB*]

Ryan Callahan - 45GP, 11G, 25P. 0.56 PPG.
Brandon Dubinsky - 54GP, 12G, 37P. 0.69 PPG.

Dubinsky makes $4.2M per year. I remember people once said that Dubinsky's deal was terrible. Are Callahan's "intangibles" with the offset of durability issues worth an extra $2M to $3M per year?

Callahan has declined. Dubinsky has continue to improve. He's quite obviously the better player today.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Would you give Brad Marchand 6 years $36m?

Marchand has missed 14 games over the past 4 seasons.

Callahan has missed 48 games over that same stretch.

I wouldn't be a fan of giving Marchand that money, but at least the guy stays healthy.

 

[tjs252]

I absolutely love Ryan Callahan. I would like him to stay here for the remainder of his career, but I wish that were accomplished with two or three more contracts rather than one. The way he plays lend itself to injury and not nagging unrelated injury like Gaborik or Horton, but chronic issues because the injury is the result of his style of play rather than an unreliable body.

 

[stan the caddy]

What do you mean "might only get you 50 points". He won't get you 50 points, period. He is replaceable. He's the definition of replaceable.

Alright, who are you replacing him with?

 

[RGY]

Honestly, you need to sharpen your reading comprehension skills. I did not say points don't matter, stop trying to spin my argument.

Spin what? You do t want to talk about points...so what crap do you want to feed us? Its the only argument i need to make.

 

[OverTheCap]

Would you give Brad Marchand 6 years $36m?

I'd be more inclined to give Marchand that contract than Cally. Marchand is younger and has more mileage left, is a good playoff performer, and has been the more productive player so far. And, most importantly, he is one of the best agitators in the game. Cally is a warrior but he's very vanilla when compared to Marchand.

 

[stan the caddy]

Here's the thing, you can all argue about Callahan not being worth 6 million dollars until you're blue in the face but at the end of they day he'd get it in free agency and he'll get it from the Rangers.

So who's right and who's wrong? The market is the market.

 

[Bullseyes]

Would you give Brad Marchand 6 years $36m?

I'm not sure I'd give that to Marchand, but I'm more likely to give it to Marchand than Callahan. Marchand is younger and a better player than Callahan is.

 

[KreiMeARiver*]

yeah warrior...blahhhhhhhhhhh

it's a CRIPPLING move giving a "warrior" 6 x 6. TRADE HIM NOW!!

 

[DudMan28]

So were going to resign everyone, buy out Brad, give Stastny 7mil, and hope for the best?

 

[egelband]

Ryan Callahan - 45GP, 11G, 25P. 0.56 PPG.
Brandon Dubinsky - 54GP, 12G, 37P. 0.69 PPG.

Dubinsky makes $4.2M per year. I remember people once said that Dubinsky's deal was terrible. Are Callahan's "intangibles" with the offset of durability issues worth an extra $2M to $3M per year?

that's the thing...all these deals look better as years go by. same with this deal. if it happens. or, at least, that's the rationale that the front office will take. and i'm not gonna argue.

 

[RGY]

Here's the thing, you can all argue about Callahan not being worth 6 million dollars until you're blue in the face but at the end of they day he'd get it in free agency and he'll get it from the Rangers.

So who's right and who's wrong? The market is the market.

Good let him get it in free agency and let that team suffer when he is breaking down and still not even producing 50 points. Stop referring to the market.

Its like when youre a little kid and you do something wrong that gets you in trouble because everyone else was doing it.

 

[broadwayblue]

Alright, who are you replacing him with?

I'd rather let Cally walk and worry about who to replace him with later than worry about the calamitous effects of signing him to a 6x6 type contract. I'm honestly fine with JT getting a shot at holding down that role on the 3rd line for now. If it doesn't work we'll try something else...6M is a good bit of cash.

 

[stan the caddy]

Good let him get it in free agency and let that team suffer when he is breaking down and still not even producing 50 points. Stop referring to the market.

Its like when youre a little kid and you do something wrong that gets you in trouble because everyone else was doing it.

That's what dictates salaries, not the fantasy land that you live in.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Alright, who are you replacing him with?

Literally dozens of players can fill his role for half the price. You do realize that racking up hits isn't such an important thing that every hit Cally would lay down needs to be accounted for by a replacement. You want a guy who will chip in 40 points, hit, PK and block shots? Trade a 2nd for Antoine Vermette and pay him 3M. Just off the top of my head and not a prime example, though arguably a better player. You do know that when someone says "he's replaceable" it doesn't mean they spend their time compiling lists of possible replacements. The general consensus is that what Cally brings to the table now, and will over the next few years as he ages, can be replaced. JT Miller can largely replace it as he matures. It's really not that special.