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Inferno said:
he just doesnt have to retire. he can just sit on the bench and collect his check, or be "injured" and just stay on LTIR...there are always ways around it.
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Inferno said:
they can just bubblewrap him and send him home like the Rangers woulda done with Redden.
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Ola said:
Yeah, I have a very hard time seing how the NHL is going to enforce the Burke rule.

I don't know with a goalie, but looking at like Franzen, Marian Hossa and co, in like 3-4 years, will these guys have a body part that is NOT hurt?

A NHL team / insurance company can't force someone to work more than any other employer. If you can get a doctor to say that you will get problems when you are old / or aggregate something when you get older, you can go on LTIR. Lack ligament in x joint = LTIR is an option. Finding ligament on a 38-40 y/o NHLer is as hard as finding water in Sahara.
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On the issue of retirement: of he retires, Vancouver gets the cap hit. So if he feels like walking away, he doesn't have to feel any guilt about burdening his current team. He'd be hurting an organization that he's probably resentful towards, anyway.

As far as LTIR...that's tough. Yeah, he could probably find a doctor that would declare him unfit to play. If the NHL sensed it was a scam, though, I'm sure they'd intervene. We saw what they did to the Devils for the first Kovalchuk agreement, and I'd say overstating/fabricating an injury to get a guy on LTIR is a far more egregious violation of the spirit (and the letter) of the CBA. Is a team going to risk forfeiture of potentially multiple draft picks and whatever else to get out from under a contract? I doubt it. There's also the issue of whether a doctor affiliated with the league would risk his reputation in stretching the truth at a club's behest.

Bubble wrapping a guy and sending him home is hardly an option, either, especially if the guy wants to play. A team's not going to be able to force an able-bodied guy to sit at home without facing a big grievance from the NHLPA, which again just invites intense scrutiny from the League's office.

I really think that with the Kovalchuk/Devils thing, the League showed that they have no interest in allowing teams to skirt CBA language. A team might try, but it's pretty damn risky.
 
Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 5s
#Lightning ask from #Rangers remains extremely high 4 Marty St Louis. Probability is he finishes yr out in TB, Yzerman revisits @ #NHL draft
 
SnowblindNYR said:
Not a fan of giving up the moon for MSL, as much as I'd love to have him. That said, I'm not a fan of signing Callahan to anything more than 4 mill (I know that's unrealistic), so who cares what I think?
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I wholeheartedly agree.

Might go to 4.5 on Cally over 4
 
I don't know who this guy is on TSN playing guitar, but i like him. Appreciate talented musicians.
 
Ail said:
Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 5s
#Lightning ask from #Rangers remains extremely high 4 Marty St Louis. Probability is he finishes yr out in TB, Yzerman revisits @ #NHL draft
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Can we please move on? The Rangers are captivated and distracted by this situation.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
Not a fan of giving up the moon for MSL, as much as I'd love to have him. That said, I'm not a fan of signing Callahan to anything more than 4 mill (I know that's unrealistic), so who cares what I think?
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Agree.

Pick your poison.

I just wish Sather would wake up and get young pieces for Callahan. Or at least Chris Stewart. Someone who can potentially stick around for a few years.

Just sign St. Louis summer 2015.
 
Blueshirt Believer said:
5 million would be the reasonable value for Cally. He gets a pay increase and a salary that mostly mirrors his production.

That aint happening though; so trade him.
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Yea his value today is 5 million, but his value tomorrow won't be that. He's already declining.

So, I"d say 4.5 AAV is fair enough.

I don't want him for a penny more, especially with his diminished role this year.
 
Rangers are going to sign Callahan AND move picks for MSL and I'm going to laugh and laugh at how boned the franchise's future is
 
nyr2k2 said:
On the issue of retirement: of he retires, Vancouver gets the cap hit. So if he feels like walking away, he doesn't have to feel any guilt about burdening his current team. He'd be hurting an organization that he's probably resentful towards, anyway.

As far as LTIR...that's tough. Yeah, he could probably find a doctor that would declare him unfit to play. If the NHL sensed it was a scam, though, I'm sure they'd intervene. We saw what they did to the Devils for the first Kovalchuk agreement, and I'd say overstating/fabricating an injury to get a guy on LTIR is a far more egregious violation of the spirit (and the letter) of the CBA. Is a team going to risk forfeiture of potentially multiple draft picks and whatever else to get out from under a contract? I doubt it. There's also the issue of whether a doctor affiliated with the league would risk his reputation in stretching the truth at a club's behest.

Bubble wrapping a guy and sending him home is hardly an option, either, especially if the guy wants to play. A team's not going to be able to force an able-bodied guy to sit at home without facing a big grievance from the NHLPA, which again just invites intense scrutiny from the League's office.

I really think that with the Kovalchuk/Devils thing, the League showed that they have no interest in allowing teams to skirt CBA language. A team might try, but it's pretty damn risky.
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All fair scenarios, but I think you are overstating the greyness of the LTIR option.

The following questions needs to be answered by the doctor:

1.) Do I have an injury?

2.) Would any doctor agree with you that I have this injury?

3.) If I keep playing despite this injury, is there a substansial risk that I will get problems in my life after hockey?

I mean, if you get the doctor to say yes to this, there is no risk with the league or anyone else. Right?

And I think just about any player that goes past like 35 gets the above go-to-LTIR card, probably on the basis of 3-5 problems. I honestly think that most could make a good argument when they are 25-30 y/o if they wanted too... Whether they will get paid by insurance or not, I don't really know. That might be trickier, but the threshold to go on LTIR is in principle if a player's team can claim breach of contract if the player don't play, and there is no way a team can do that if a doctor states the above.

Facts are that any vet in hockey got lingering problems that they play through.
 
In 5 years MSL will be retired and Cally will be more useless then a retired Drury.
 
Wamsutta said:
Rangers are going to sign Callahan AND move picks for MSL and I'm going to laugh and laugh at how boned the franchise's future is
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That is what I am really scared of.
If we deal Callahan for whatever market bears and then trade picks/prospects for St Louis, I can live with it although don't like it.
If we move away from St Louis and sign Callahan I can live with it although don't like it at 6x$6

The only scenario that would be crushing to the franchise is something like:

Miller, Skej, and a 1st for St Louis combined with Callahan signing for 6 years at $6M with a full NMC.

Trader Glen and Free Agent Glen are joining forces here and it that scares me.
 
Interesting graphic showing that 5 of the last 6 years, 1st deadline day deal between 9:55 and 10:35. Didn't come until after noon last year.

WC GMs have to wake up I guess.
 
You need to keep your options open.

I think Slats exploring two seprate deals as one option, ie swing Cally one way for picks and prospects and then offer a similar return to Tampa for MSL.
 
By the way, talking about MSL early this morning is not a distraction for the Rangers. It's smart. If he's the target (whether you agree with it or not), then you need to know whether or not you can acquire him before you miss out on everything else.
 
Slats is better at trades than UFA day, but I would like to retain a 1st rounder this year.
 
pwoz said:
Please no MSL. He's 38, not 28.
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He's good til 45 at least.

I'll take MSL on roster with Cally for whatever money..blah blah..

NONE OF THIS MATTERS IF WE DON'T GET SOME ****ING PLAYOFF WEIGHT.

...and I want a cup now, next year, then when the two hit the skids but won us the prize, I'll be ready for another decade rebuild.

**** Amonte and Weight, yknow??
 
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One of my classes got cancelled today, so that means, I won't be going to the other ones. This is the life, spent most of the night finishing papers, now just drink beers and watch Sather **** **** up.
 
CHGoalie72 said:
He's good til 45 at least.

I'll take MSL on roster with Cally for whatever money..blah blah..

NONE OF THIS MATTERS IF WE DON'T GET SOME ****ING PLAYOFF WEIGHT.

...and I want a cup now, next year, then when the two hit the skids but won us the prize, I'll be ready for another decade rebuild.

**** Amonte and Weight, yknow??
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How do we know he will be good that long? The odds of him declining rapidly are probably greater than him being a top-end player until and past 40.
 
Ola said:
I mean, if you get the doctor to say yes to this, there is no risk with the league or anyone else. Right?
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No, because the league can challenge it and bring in their own doctors. What you suggest would be clear circumvention of the cap and the league would hammer us for it.
 
pwoz said:
Please no MSL. He's 38, not 28.
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It's all about the price. He plays like he's 30 and he's still great. He would be a great addition for the next three or four years (hank's prime year remaining) and give us a legit chance to win again depending on what he costs. I would push this all the way to the deadline to try and get it done since he wants to come here and Stevie Y may have to accomodate him to avoid having a disgruntled captain.

wouild you take whatever picks we get for Callahan, add Duclair and Stralman?
 
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