Trade Deadline Thread (March 3)

[Rowley Birkin]

So we can agree to stop talking about the Bills in regards to a completely different league with completely different revenue structures? Yes? Good.

You have also gone to the assumption that they are being cheap. My point is that Adams has very little evidence that he can make roster building moves that would make this at least a regular playoff team - not even worrying about being a Cup contender but firmly in playoff consideration as a means of establishing post-season revenue. It looks like how Regier operated in the time after they fumbled away Drury and Briere in that there are no additions to the roster being made to fill the holes they have. It was more than just who spent on what, when. It had very much to do with not being able to identify and acquire talent.

That's my point with Adams - he still has shown almost no ability to identify and acquire talent in positions of need. With a drastically lopsided prospect base leaning heavily toward skilled wingers, he has to find these types somewhere or they will be wasting more time of the very good players they currently have.

I think you're arguing with the wrong person here. Because i don't disagree with anything you say in that last paragraph. In fact throughout his tenure I've been one the most critical here of Adams' apparent strategy of collecting skilled, soft forwards & ignoring everything else.

I'm arguing AGAINST the notion that Adams isn't making moves solely because the Pegula's are being cheap. Which was essentially the situation Regier WAS in when Golisano owned the team. That's the only issue i had with your comparison.

 

[deVolt]

Didn't he play recently against Dallas? Not a bad game for just getting back. His age and experience is what we need. Bigger impact potentially than anything else Adams could do.

Yeah, I would respect that move big time!

He would not do it in case it block levi's path, I get the feeling they see Levi/UPL as the future two. don't agree with it but when you have a stubborn Gm it's what it is.

 

[Djp]

Has anyone actually looked at the 25/26 cap?

if Power follows Dahlin with a 6M bridge…
Girgs is resigned for 3M per for 3 yrs
Dahlin resigned for 9
Joker or another D acquired and is st $5M hit
assume Kulich, Savoie, Rosen are on the team on ELCs FTSOA at $1M each
2 G on roster making combines 6M

Cap is $86M…don’t see it higher due to Bally sports issues.
3 vacant D, 2 vacant F
Quinn, Peterka, and Krebs on bridges ( what amount?)

they project to have about $17M in space.
if you pencil in the 5 vacant at $1M and the 3 bridges at $10M combined gives them just $2M in space to play with.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

what? the way the NHL is set up is literally the opposite of this.

The huge markets that have won recently of *checks notes*
Colorado (I'll give you this one, although Denver hardly a power house market)
Tampa
St Louis
DC
Pittsburgh

DC is actually a top 10 market, FYI, and Tampa isn't far behind.

 

[Dingo44]

Yohe: Ron Hextall is running the Penguins into the ground

Ron Hextall's decision to acquire Mikael Granlund doesn't make the Penguins markedly better, and his job should be in serious jeopardy.

theathletic.com

Hextall hasn’t made many understandable moves since taking over as Penguins general manager more than two years ago. This is because there isn’t a plan and there never was a plan. And if Mikael Granlund was the plan all along, then I think it’s fair to question Hextall’s player evaluation skills. Those skills, incidentally, are supposed to be his strength.

Enough is enough.

Drance: The Filip Hronek trade is needlessly desperate and risky for the Canucks

The deal doesn’t make sense for a team in Vancouver’s position and their self-assessment of their short-term outlook smacks of desperation.

theathletic.com

Unfortunately, once again, the Canucks’ self-assessment of their short-term outlook smacks of desperation.

If this organization thinks it’s close to competing for something meaningful, well, then it’s lost.

On Wednesday, the Canucks traded multiple high-value futures — including the New York Islanders’ high-upside first-round pick acquired for Bo Horvat, and an additional second-round pick in 2023 — for 25-year-old Detroit Red Wings defenseman Filip Hronek.

There are options worse than doing nothing.

 

[stokes84]

Dahlin is getting 10 minimum

 

[Jim Bob]

I was listening to a podcast earlier, can't remember which one. They indicated that after pick #24 in the first round, there is something like a 2.4% chance you get a player who will play at least 100 NHL games. Really brings into perspective how valuable picks are after the first round. Clearly Tampa is moving forward with this philosophy.

https://myslu.stlawu.edu/~msch/sports/Schuckers_NHL_Draft.pdf

This data is 12 years old, but the latest stuff I have seen has been roughly equivalent.

 

[JLewyB]

Theres going to be some UFAs that should hit the market. These teams cant keep all of these players they traded for

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Has anyone actually looked at the 25/26 cap?

if Power follows Dahlin with a 6M bridge…
Girgs is resigned for 3M per for 3 yrs
Dahlin resigned for 9
Joker or another D acquired and is st $5M hit
assume Kulich, Savoie, Rosen are on the team on ELCs FTSOA at $1M each
2 G on roster making combines 6M

Cap is $86M…don’t see it higher due to Bally sports issues.
3 vacant D, 2 vacant F
Quinn, Peterka, and Krebs on bridges ( what amount?)

they project to have about $17M in space.
if you pencil in the 5 vacant at $1M and the 3 bridges at $10M combined gives them just $2M in space to play with.

I've been saying it all season, and you're not even being the slightest bit conservative on Dahlin's contract. Buffalo would not have been able to afford paying Meier or Chychrun on new contracts without losing someone pretty big.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

I'm arguing AGAINST the notion that Adams isn't making moves solely because the Pegula's are being cheap. Which was essentially the situation Regier WAS in when Golisano owned the team. That's the only issue i had with your comparison.

Evidence continues to say otherwise. The latest piece could be Jacob Chychrun. Few times wanted or could take the full cap hit. Sabres didn't enter the discussion. Add that on top NOT ONE MOVE to use $18 M in cap room for picks. Several teams gained picks, as high as thirds, for just facilitating cap room and taking on minor dollar amounts.

Pegula is free to do what he wants but Mr. Dig-Another-Well took shots at previous ownership and now he's doing similar stuff. I mean Ben Bishop was brought in top meet the cap floor. What more do you need to see?

 

[Ace]

Theres going to be some UFAs that should hit the market. These teams cant keep all of these players they traded for

Thank god we are a free agent hot spot and soooo willing to spend

 

[michaelsaas]

I expect Adams to continue to be more patient than most of the fanbase will want him to be.

I won't be shocked if the two most impactful signings he makes this summer are Johnson and Levi.

That would be the point where I start boarding the anti-KA train.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

I've been saying it all season, and you're not even being the slightest bit conservative on Dahlin's contract. Buffalo would not have been able to afford paying Meier or Chychrun on new contracts without losing someone pretty big.

We didn't need Chuychrun on a new contract. We could have kept him for two playoff runs and seasons and flipped at another deadline and recouped some assets. Likely a first.

 

[zenthusiast]

Girgs at 3x3, Joker at 5, two 3m goalies? Don’t see it

 

[TheBarnIsElectric]

Seattle would be fools to not do that

Disagree. Borgen is already a good young defenseman (a righty at that) under team control and still developing because he hasn't played a ton.

Rosen is a good scoring winger prospect who may or may not ever be a good NHL player. There is a decent chance he never catches on with the Sabres for example, because he's already behind 3 other similar prospects in most people's eyes, despite being older than them. If I'm Seattle, I don't give up my good young defenseman for that level of prospect. I value D way more than scoring wingers. Wingers who can score are like running backs, they are everywhere and other than the top ones, they're not that important.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

That would be the point where I start boarding the anti-KA train.

People need to stop blaming GMKA. He doesn't control spending. He's done a nice job with no cap room

 

[Rowley Birkin]

I like weegar a lot but I don't think we would get full value for him rn. He's actually insane defensively, him and tanev tgt gives up nothing. Unfortunately idk where that offense he showed in Florida went, we know he can do it, if he ever puts up 40/50 pts again while playing the D he is rn he's a top 10 D in the league.

We wouldn't need him to bring an elite offensive game. Just the elite defensive game. The position flexibility & local connection in Craig Rivet don't hurt either.

I see zero chance of you guys moving him even though I've seen his name mentioned once or twice in the rumour mill.

 

[toddkaz]

Is Adams gonna have the balls to make trades when the window opens?

This team aint never gonna win a cup.

 

[DapperCam]

Has anyone actually looked at the 25/26 cap?

if Power follows Dahlin with a 6M bridge…
Girgs is resigned for 3M per for 3 yrs
Dahlin resigned for 9
Joker or another D acquired and is st $5M hit
assume Kulich, Savoie, Rosen are on the team on ELCs FTSOA at $1M each
2 G on roster making combines 6M

Cap is $86M…don’t see it higher due to Bally sports issues.
3 vacant D, 2 vacant F
Quinn, Peterka, and Krebs on bridges ( what amount?)

they project to have about $17M in space.
if you pencil in the 5 vacant at $1M and the 3 bridges at $10M combined gives them just $2M in space to play with.

Cap will be higher 3 years from now even with the Bally stuff.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Yea I’m not worried about the cap either.

I also wouldn’t hate a Parayko trade. I don’t see it happening, but I think he is still very very good and is going to maintain this level of play. I know his advance stats have not been great for about 18 months, but still.

 

[Ace]

Has anyone actually looked at the 25/26 cap?

if Power follows Dahlin with a 6M bridge…
Girgs is resigned for 3M per for 3 yrs
Dahlin resigned for 9
Joker or another D acquired and is st $5M hit
assume Kulich, Savoie, Rosen are on the team on ELCs FTSOA at $1M each
2 G on roster making combines 6M

Cap is $86M…don’t see it higher due to Bally sports issues.
3 vacant D, 2 vacant F
Quinn, Peterka, and Krebs on bridges ( what amount?)

they project to have about $17M in space.
if you pencil in the 5 vacant at $1M and the 3 bridges at $10M combined gives them just $2M in space to play with.

Stop paying fourth liners 3 million dollars?

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

It's going to be hilarious when Adams drafts whatever defensemen is left at 15th. Reaching on players to draft for need is surely the road-map to success.

The good news is that they may be taking another nose dive and end up drafting 10-12.

 

[deVolt]

Looks like one of the best GMS in the NHL is also throwing in the towel due to the eastern conference being ridiculously stacked and having no chance at the cup.

He is atleast being pro-active either way picking a lane instead of be caught with the pants down.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

We didn't need Chuychrun on a new contract. We could have kept him for two playoff runs and seasons and flipped at another deadline and recouped some assets. Likely a first.

See, I don't think Adams wants a two-year rental, even if he can be flipped. Or if he did, he didn't put as much value on the rental that Ottawa did.

 

[Jim Bob]