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Trade Deadline Thread (March 3)

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Dirty Dog said:
And if he doesn’t help lead them anywhere, wants 8 million a year in two years, and is hurt a bunch…is it a good move? While if we get someone else without giving up as much, and they cost less, and they partner better with Power? Wouldn’t that be a good move?

Maybe all that happens. Maybe it doesn’t. I don’t know yet

But just because a good player at a position of need was traded, and we didn’t get them, I’m not going to freak out.
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If he is just average, then in 2 years, deal him as a pending contract extension/UFA guy at the rates we see pending guys going for at the deadline. You're willing to just ignore his body of work to be "eh, maybe he'll be bad"? Come on. :biglaugh:
 
Chainshot said:
If he is just average, then in 2 years, deal him as a pending contract extension/UFA guy at the rates we see pending guys going for at the deadline. You're willing to just ignore his body of work to be "eh, maybe he'll be bad"? Come on. :biglaugh:
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That’s not what i said. So, okay.

I tried to use the debrincat trade as an example, since you wanted to trade multiple firsts for him when goal scoring was a need. You decided to ignore that (I think, there’s a lot of arguments going on so maybe I missed it), which is fine. But don’t then quote my post and take it out of context.

What I said is we simply don’t know how this turns out, so don’t pretend the objective truth is this was a good move and not making it was objectively bad
 
Dirty Dog said:
I think this tracks pretty well with why so many of you are upset. You all keep factoring the playoff drought while this front office has been her a short time only. There is a lot of impatience and frustration, which I get. I just don’t agree because I’m separating the past from this front office. It’s like year 1 of this core and it’s going awesome.

It was the same thing with the bills. What’s sad is that if this is anything like the bills, the impatience and frustration will carry on even when the Sabres are good. It has with the bills fans, that’s for sure.

I don’t blame you all, but that’s unfortunate



But what makes it a good move? Just because they did it and you wished we did?
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No because they got a quality player? Someone we had a glaring need for and went to a divisional rival to boot? For pennies on the dollar? Just spit balling here...
 
Dirty Dog said:
Yea that’s not what i said at all. I said I’d have liked to add him. I think he is a good player and at a position of need. And I do think it’s a good move. I haven’t taken any path that made me change any of that


What I’m saying is we do not know how this ends up. We don’t know if this works out for Ottawa. We don’t know if the Sabres end up with someone different this week or in the off-season. And we don’t know which move ends up being better. We don’t know. I don’t. Know. You don’t know.
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Might as well shut down the board then
 
enthusiast said:
In fact, now that I think about it, I’m more annoyed at the trades for Neiderreiter, Schenn, and Gostisbehere than for Chychrun. That’s like almost all of your problems for peanuts
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Exactly. Getting a home run would've been nice but a couple of singles up the middle or a ground rule double would've been perfectly acceptable. Instead KA was Carlos Beltran watching the called third strike.
 
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It is an objectively good move. Even if it doesn't work out. If toronto doesn't win a cup was tooling up a good move? Yes because they did what they could.

It's like in blackjack, the dealer is showing a 10 and you have a 12. The correct move is to hit, so you hit. You pull a 10 and bust. You made the right move, regardless of the result.
 
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Dirty Dog said:
That’s not what i said. So, okay.

I tried to use the debrincat trade as an example, since you wanted to trade multiple firsts for him when goal scoring was a need. You decided to ignore that (I think, there’s a lot of arguments going on so maybe I missed it), which is fine. But don’t then quote my post and take it out of context.

What I said is we simply don’t know how this turns out, so don’t pretend the objective truth is this was a good move and not making it was objectively bad
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It's a missed opportunity to make a move to improve the team. Just like you said you don't know, we don't know if someone will become available who could be a good fit for Power becomes available. We don't know what the cost of that acquisition is going to be. We don't know when the next time the Sabres will be flush with additional draft picks at the top of the draft. It's an opportunity they have let go passed with no more knowledge of the future than you speculated above. We don't. What we do know is that Chychrun has been a very good 2-way defenseman on a very bad hockey team and based on league history, he's in his prime years right now.
 
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Ace said:
They’re wasting Cozens, Tage, Dahlin and Power making like 10 million total RIGHT NOW.

Next year they’ll waste Dahlin and Power making 7 total.

In two years they’ll say they can’t move futures because of all the big contracts. For the players they wasted while they were making nothing.
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I don’t think we’re a Chychrun + goalie away from contending this year with BOS / CAR anyway.

Breaking the playoff drought would be nice, but this year wasn’t a waste. Tage and Dahlin developing into superstars, Cozens and Power looking legit.
 
Dirty Dog said:
Yea that’s not what i said at all. I said I’d have liked to add him. I think he is a good player and at a position of need. And I do think it’s a good move. I haven’t taken any path that made me change any of that


What I’m saying is we do not know how this ends up. We don’t know if this works out for Ottawa. We don’t know if the Sabres end up with someone different this week or in the off-season. And we don’t know which move ends up being better. We don’t know. I don’t. Know. You don’t know.
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I can't fathom your reasoning, let's do nothing forever because we don't know if it will be good or bad. Not when we are bottom feeders, not when we are trying to contend, the unknown is frightening, it is better to do nothing. Huh??
 
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Dirty Dog said:
And the senators and red wings might make the playoffs while we dont. I dont think the Sabres front office cares about the ultimate results this year. It’s about sustained success.

Caring about where these teams are right now doesn’t matter. Building an annual SC contender matters
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Both those teams have just as strong of a prospect pool as the Sabres FWIW. So do the Devils. Except, they make moves and we do nothing. You can both develop young players and improve your current roster, they don’t have to be mutually exclusive.
 
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“No battle plan ever survives the first encounter with the enemy” - Helmuth von Moltke
“The plan is useless, but planning is essential” -Eseinhower

True leaders are defined by how they adapt their plans to the actual conditions on the ground. Not to how steadfastly they stick to their original plan, as sticking to the plan "no matter what" is how you get all of your men killed.
 
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A post in the Main Board thread about the Portillo deal reminded me of something:

Levi's teammate Jayden Struble is in the "sign or walk" situation. I wouldn't mind tossing the pick we just got at Montreal for him. Could turn into a bottom 4 defender, and lord knows we need defenders.
 
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BFLO said:
“No battle plan ever survives the first encounter with the enemy” - Helmuth von Moltke
“The plan is useless, but planning is essential” -Eseinhower

True leaders are defined by how they adapt their plans to the actual conditions on the ground. Not to how steadfastly they stick to their original plan, as sticking to the plan "no matter what" is how you get all of your men killed.
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Order, Counter-Order, Disorder

There's a trite saying for everything

Zman5778 said:
A post in the Main Board thread about the Portillo deal reminded me of something:

Levi's teammate Jayden Struble is in the "sign or walk" situation. I wouldn't mind tossing the pick we just got at Montreal for him. Could turn into a bottom 4 defender, and lord knows we need defenders.
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Agreed, he'd be a good depth option
 
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Zman5778 said:
A post in the Main Board thread about the Portillo deal reminded me of something:

Levi's teammate Jayden Struble is in the "sign or walk" situation. I wouldn't mind tossing the pick we just got at Montreal for him. Could turn into a bottom 4 defender, and lord knows we need defenders.
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I don't think Struble is as good as Thrun so I'm not sure that's a good asset exchange.
 
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