Trade Deadline Thread (March 3)

[Dirty Dog]

Well, that’s your prerogative, but considering both of them have agency, and that both of them have exercised that agency to hands-on effect, I think we can consider these adults responsible for the decisions they make, especially when “not working out” in this case has led to literally the worst playoff drought in the history of a 100+ year old league

That is my opinion. I don’t give Pegula a ton of credit for Beane and McDermott, and I don’t give him a lot of hate for Botts and Murray. They were all good hires on paper. Some work out, some don’t

What I want from a sports owner is not to meddle and to be willing to spend money. I don’t attribute a GM’s failures or successes to them. They best an owner can do is hire someone qualified and hope it works out, and fire them if it doesn’t

 

[zenthusiast]

We don’t know what the players in this room want, other than presumably to make the playoffs, but based on Biron’s recent take about feeling let down, I’m inclined to think it’s probably something like that

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

We don’t know what the players in this room want, other than presumably to make the playoffs, but based on Biron’s recent take about feeling let down, I’m inclined to think it’s probably something like that

I get the vibes thing to a point. But at some point as GM you need to do what's best for the team, which may sometimes mean going against the wishes of the guys currently on the roster.

 

[Ace]

We don’t know what the players in this room want, other than presumably to make the playoffs, but based on Biron’s recent take about feeling let down, I’m inclined to think it’s probably something like that

We know how they feel. Watching every competing team get stronger while we cling to unspent cap and futures? Seeing Ottawa get the top 4 D they know better than anyone they need…costing nothing off the actual team?

They feel like us times a thousand.

 

[Beerz]

Kevyn is just a coward. Keeps yelling process and development while still asking for our money.

And all he can give the fans is one of his buddies NHL tweener son.

 

[Gabrielor]

Tage Thompson is a damn near 50 goal scorer now. Dahlin is a Norris candidate now.

The time to add guys is now. ESPECIALLY if it isn't costing you a single prospect.

 

[zenthusiast]

That is my opinion. I don’t give Pegula a ton of credit for Beane and McDermott, and I don’t give him a lot of hate for Botts and Murray. They were all good hires on paper. Some work out, some don’t

We know based on contemporaneous reporting that they were heavily invested in running these searches. Obviously they’re not Jerry Jones East but I think you can give them a little credit for the calls they make.

 

[K8fool]

Sure you could make the argument that you could learn a lot by participating in sword fighting, but you could learn helluva more if you were given a real sword instead of a wooden one.

Or maybe KA and Donny thinks this group is capable and needs to step the FCK up on their own and win 15 and get in fir there own belief, without being SAVED..

 

[zenthusiast]

We know how they feel. Watching every competing team get stronger while we cling to unspent cap and futures? Seeing Ottawa get the top 4 D they know better than anyone they need…costing nothing off the actual team?

They feel like us times a thousand.

I mean, I’d certainly feel that way, but maybe they’ve succumbed to the Plan

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Or maybe KA and Donny thinks this group is capable and needs to step the FCK up on their own and win 15 and get in fir there own belief, without being SAVED..

That's an incredibly naiive belief for such a young roster. Even if it works.

 

[Ace]

There’s no chance the people in that room aren’t looking around asking “what are we doing” after that Chychrun trade. Of course they are.

People scoff at me when I say Levi should want to have a conversation with Adams about this organization’s willingness to spend and make moves to be competitive. But he should.

Everyone he talks to should.

Because it‘s a f***ing real question.

 

[zenthusiast]

Or maybe KA and Donny thinks this group is capable and needs to step the FCK up on their own and win 15 and get in fir there own belief, without being SAVED..

If anything he’d be saving them from the fruits of his own negligence

 

[K8fool]

Tage Thompson is a damn near 50 goal scorer now. Dahlin is a Norris candidate now.

The time to add guys is now. ESPECIALLY if it isn't costing you a single prospect.

Sure. give me dale hawrechuk. Yr right Add to our 23 plus the top ten prospects without TAKING AWAY for maybe 3 extra wins..

 

[Dirty Dog]

We know based on contemporaneous reporting that they were heavily invested in running these searches. Obviously they’re not Jerry Jones East but I think you can give them a little credit for the calls they make.

Of course they are invested. They are hiring someone to run their huge investments. And of course they deserve some responsibilities for their hires. But I’m not going to pretend the difference between hiring a good GM or a bad GM is competence or brilliance. Both Botts and Murray were almost universally-praised hires. I don’t blame Pegula for hiring them. Adams was far less praised, and somehow looks better.

McDermott was one of the least praised coaches hired during that cycle. Go figure.

There is a lot of luck involved with a success of a sports front office. Again, I am not going to attribute to an owner

 

[zenthusiast]

There’s no chance the people in that room aren’t looking around asking “what are we doing” after that Chychrun trade. Of course they are.

People scoff at me when I say Levi should want to have a conversation with Adams about this organization’s willingness to spend and make moves to be competitive. But he should.

Everyone he talks to should.

Because it‘s a f***ing real question.

It’ll be extremely funny if Terry goes full bulldozer because he’s mad his kids’ friend didn’t get added but I don’t think anyone holds his feet to the fire until Kim’s out of convalescence

 

[Chainshot]

Tage Thompson is a damn near 50 goal scorer now. Dahlin is a Norris candidate now.

The time to add guys is now. ESPECIALLY if it isn't costing you a single prospect.

Sums up Granato's take on Thompson pretty succinctly, just applied to the team instead.

 

[zenthusiast]

Of course they are invested. They are hiring someone to run their huge investments. And of course they deserve some responsibilities for their hires. But I’m not going to pretend the difference between hiring a good GM or a bad GM is competence or brilliance. Both Botts and Murray were almost universally-praised hires. I don’t blame Pwgual for hiring them. Adams was far less praised, and somehow looks better.

McDermott was one of the elats praised coaches hired during that cycle. Go figure.

There is a lot of luck involved with a success of a sports front office. Again, I am not going to attribute to an owner

Would you accept, then, that they are the least lucky owners in nhl history

 

[slip]

Tage Thompson is a damn near 50 goal scorer now. Dahlin is a Norris candidate now.

The time to add guys is now. ESPECIALLY if it isn't costing you a single prospect.

Exactly. This is truly a team -- cohesive, connected, and competitive. Not the Jack Eichel bitch/whinefest show. But they need reinforcements, not managerial platitudes.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

It’ll be extremely funny if Terry goes full bulldozer because he’s mad his kids’ friend didn’t get added but I don’t think anyone holds his feet to the fire until Kim’s out of convalescence

This would be hilarious tbh.

 

[Dirty Dog]

It’ll be extremely funny if Terry goes full bulldozer because he’s mad his kids’ friend didn’t get added but I don’t think anyone holds his feet to the fire until Kim’s out of convalescence

Wasn’t one of the conspiracies that Chychrun was a pegula family friend? How do you all reconcile all these takes

 

[Ace]

These players signed up to be in the NHL. It’s time the organization did the same.

 

[start winnin]

How can anyone justify not making the trade? No one can possibly think Jokiharu, Bryson or any other AHL defenseman in our system is going to come remotely close to the impact Chychrun would have on this roster, right? Who is going to join this team and be an impact top 4 defenseman the way that Chrycrun would be, for a mid tier 1st and condition 1st based on making the ECF? Sorry but this cowardly position is literally indefensible.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Would you accept, then, that they are the least lucky owners in nhl history

Nope. Not at all. I don’t think we tracking each other’s points. Which is fine haha

 

[Zman5778]

Does he though? He said our best solutions are internal and he doesn't look at like we need one thing over another. He wants to be in on everything and isn't willing to spend futures because he wants to set the team up for long term success by drafting and developing.

That does not sound like someone who knows he needs to make a trade to improve the D in order to become a contender and help make the playoffs this year.

That sounds like a guy that either thinks Jokiharju/Bryson/Clague or others are good now or are going to get good enough for us to beat Tampa Boston Toronto NJ and Carolina in the playoffs. And that's concerning.

Our best solutions being internal does not necessarily mean personnel. I have and will maintain that the reason why we allow so many goals is NOT due to talent on D. Our forwards need to learn how to play defense. That internal growth will mean so much more to our team as a whole than getting one top 4 defenseman. One top 4 defenseman doesn't magically stop all of the odd man rushes against. One top 4 defenseman doesn't magically stop all those f***ing backdoor goals we allow.

Of course, one top 4 defenseman doesn't help our goalies stop that shot we'd really like to see them stop even if we can't blame them for letting it in per se. But that's a slightly different discussion.

A top 4 defenseman would help.......but only so much right now. A top 4 defenseman doesn't guarantee we get into the playoffs if our forwards keep avoiding learning how to play defense.

 

[zenthusiast]

Look, I love the last calendar year of the Buffalo Sabres. I think they’re on the right track because they hit on Dahlin and on another lottery ticket in Tage. I even like Granato as a coach despite his systemic flaws.

But this feel good turn doesn’t mean that the future is automatically bright. It’s very possible that they’ve just happened into this good fortune and don’t know how to handle it. That’s how it looks to me right now, and while I might be wrong, that decade plus of embarrassment isn’t wiped away by 80 games of playoff contention