Trade Deadline Thread (March 3)

[SharkInABoloTie]

Why are you judging a team in literally year 1 of being anything resembling decent by the moves they make? They have built through the draft and this is the first year of being decent. These types of teams generally don’t make moves yet

And yet they have proven, with horrible defense and suspect goaltending, that they can compete for a playoff spot. You don't just sit on your hands in that scenario and say, well it went better than expected so I don't need to do anything else, you make a small splash and see if the growth can accelerate.
The experience gained and the potential to rebuild those bridges you burned with so many fans is worth more than a single pick that we have more of than we know what to do with.
The players better let management hear it if they do nothing to push this team to the next level

 

[dkollidas]

I think most of us are surprised the team is playing as well as it is.

My main thoughts are…

1) deadline prices are usually exaggerated, so I understand not getting too involved.

2) Adams wants to let the core group try to do this on their own as s sign of trust in them, and they’ve done a good job of letting the young players grab the reins on certain roles.

But…

3) they should’ve paid that price for Chychrun. Too good a player, with term, for a bargain cap hit and the cost was NOT over the top.

4) their #1 priority should be finding a true #1 goalie. Demko should be available, Saros could possibly be available, Jarry, Raanta & Andersen are all UFA’s. Comrie needs to be upgraded.

 

[Gabrielor]

If he didn’t learn that lesson by having the team get this close after he left those glaring holes in the off-season…he isn’t learning shit.

He was handed a GIFT. A team that succeeded in every area it could be expected to…all but the ones he failed to address knowing they were holes. Goalie. Bottom half of the ? defensive forwards. Whoever is stuck with Olofsson.

Given infinite cap space and assets to address his failures…he watches everyone else with less do it instead,

I'm compounding on this.

THERE IS NO IN-HOUSE "FUTURE PLAN DEVELOPMENT BLAH BLAH" to their defensive woes. They haven't drafted any. If they want some in the timeline of Thompson, they'll have to trade for it.

 

[Ace]

The biggest disconnect on this board right now is the people who want to tell you that Adams knows what the problems are…and the people who know thst he doesn’t care

 

[Dirty Dog]

And yet they have proven, with horrible defense and suspect goaltending, that they can compete for a playoff spot. You don't just sit on your hands in that scenario and say, well it went better than expected so I don't need to do anything else, you make a small splash and see if the growth can accelerate.
The experience gained and the potential to rebuild those bridges you burned with so many fans is worth more than a single pick that we have more of than we know what to do with.
The players better let management hear it if they do nothing to push this team to the next level

Find one person here that doesn’t want to improve the team or make additions.

A few of us are saying it can wait until the off-season if they can’t find the right deal this week. We aren’t winning the Stanley cup this year, they are building something special and can hold out for the exact right players if they want…Internet raging be Damned

 

[Chainshot]

We don't really need Adams to talk all about how he was "in" on everything but didn't DO anything. Botterill used to do that too. Stop trying to convince people that you tried. Either do something or don't, stop trying to shape how the inability to finish moves looks and go finish moves.

 

[Tatanka]

The use of the word "escape" here is telling. You want a joke ownership -- that's it. Not the Pegulas.

In the team picture.

 

[Dirty Dog]

The biggest disconnect on this board right now is the people who want to tell you that Adams knows what the problems are…and the people who know thst he doesn’t care

Yea he doesn’t care. Not only is that not a disconnect, that’s just a feather in the conspiracy cap

 

[slip]

Like Mike Tyson said, everybody has a plan, until they get hired by Terrance Pegula to GM the Buffalo Sabres.

 

[Dirty Dog]

We don't really need Adams to talk all about how he was "in" on everything but didn't DO anything. Botterill used to do that too. Stop trying to convince people that you tried. Either do something or don't, stop trying to shape how the inability to finish moves looks and go finish moves.

Not to keep arguing, but what? KA hasn’t been saying he is “in” everything to convince people he is trying. The dude has openly and explicitly been going on and on about temper expectations on big moves and that he is not interested in selling futures for short-term success.

I don’t see the doublespeak. His actions have matched exactly what he is saying out loud. When someone says something over and over, sometime they mean what they say.

THOUGH not always…see Dubas this deadline lol

 

[deVolt]

The six of you that would care already care

Kevyn is that you?

 

[Gabrielor]

We don't really need Adams to talk all about how he was "in" on everything but didn't DO anything. Botterill used to do that too. Stop trying to convince people that you tried. Either do something or don't, stop trying to shape how the inability to finish moves looks and go finish moves.

The more I think about it, really think about it, the more I'm pissed that Adams didn't do this deal. He was a massive coward about some compontent of it.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Kevyn is that you?

sure.

I’m the GM because I’m not upset over not making moves

 

[TheBarnIsElectric]

He was poking around Chychrun. Several times over the last year if the rumors are true. He KNOWS we need another defenseman with a high talent level.

Does he though? He said our best solutions are internal and he doesn't look at like we need one thing over another. He wants to be in on everything and isn't willing to spend futures because he wants to set the team up for long term success by drafting and developing.

That does not sound like someone who knows he needs to make a trade to improve the D in order to become a contender and help make the playoffs this year.

That sounds like a guy that either thinks Jokiharju/Bryson/Clague or others are good now or are going to get good enough for us to beat Tampa Boston Toronto NJ and Carolina in the playoffs. And that's concerning.

 

[Chainshot]

Find one person here that doesn’t want to improve the team or make additions.

A few of us are saying it can wait until the off-season if they can’t find the right deal this week. We aren’t winning the Stanley cup this year, they are building something special and can hold out for the exact right players if they want…Internet raging be Damned

It's the opportunity cost of allowing a player of Chychrun's ability to not only slip away, but to let him slide to a divisional foe. There is no guarantee a player of close to similar impact will be available this summer and if there is and the deal for Chychrun is already made, then the possibility of making further acquisitions comes from whatever remaining assets they have. There is no guarantee of it for this summer, so take the swing now.

 

[deVolt]

After 11 years.. nobody has grown like us

more like groan

sure.

I’m the GM because I’m not upset over not making moves

it's joke

 

[Dirty Dog]

It's the opportunity cost of allowing a player of Chychrun's ability to not only slip away, but to let him slide to a divisional foe. There is no guarantee a player of close to similar impact will be available this summer and if there is and the deal for Chychrun is already made, then the possibility of making further acquisitions comes from whatever remaining assets they have. There is no guarantee of it for this summer, so take the swing now.

Should we have also made the debrincat trade then? Would you trade Savoie for Debrincat and his contract? Because that logic applies directly to that trade too. Our offense was one of the worst at the time.

Maybe you would. But I wouldn’t want that 9 million dollar player on this team…and I’m glad we were patient and didn’t make that trade. Or, take the swing as you say.

I get you all want to be critical at the team’s patience. But that patience sure has paid off in hindsight the last two years.

 

[SharkInABoloTie]

Find one person here that doesn’t want to improve the team or make additions.

A few of us are saying it can wait until the off-season if they can’t find the right deal this week. We aren’t winning the Stanley cup this year, they are building something special and can hold out for the exact right players if they want…Internet raging be Damned

Do you think Tuch or Skinner are cool to wait another year to compete in the playoffs? How about Okposo or Anderson? On one of their last chances to make it to the playoffs, the reason they play the games, do you think they're fine just letting the season play out?

Doing nothing is unacceptable, and not just to the fans but for the players as well. You don't let a shot at the cup, as small as it may be, slip away because of "development" or that it doesn't "fit our process"

I'm sorry to be blunt, but f*** that loser mentality

 

[Chainshot]

Not to keep arguing, but what? KA hasn’t been saying he is “in” everything to convince people he is trying. The dude has openly and explicitly been going on and on about temper expectations on big moves and that he is not interested in selling futures for short-term success.

I don’t see the doublespeak. His actions have matched exactly what he is saying out loud. When someone says something over and over, sometime they mean what they say.

THOUGH not always…see Dubas this deadline lol

He had a press conference just a few days ago where he said -



From Lebrun's article a few days ago:

“We’ve been in every one of those conversations,” Adams said of being a broker team. “And the way we look at it is that we’re absolutely open to it. But it has to have value for us. In the certain conversations we’ve been in, there’s two things we’ve looked at: One is, who is the team that we’re potentially helping? Is that someone close to us in our division or that we could match up against? And, the second part is, does it make sense to us from a value standpoint?

“We have cap space, but the value has to be there.”

He's out in front of the lack of closure. Botts used to do that too.

 

[Chainshot]

Should we have also made the debrincat trade then? Would you trade Savoie for Debrincat and his contract? Because that logic applies directly to that trade too. Our offense was one of the worst at the time.

Maybe you would. But I wouldn’t want that 9 million dollar player on this team…and I’m glad we were patient and didn’t make that trade. Or, take the swing as you say.

I get you all want to be critical at the team’s patience. But that patience sure has paid off in hindsight the last two years.

They tried to trade the pick they used on Savoie to get Murray and take another player in Marco Kasper.

 

[slip]

Not to keep arguing, but what? KA hasn’t been saying he is “in” everything to convince people he is trying. The dude has openly and explicitly been going on and on about temper expectations on big moves and that he is not interested in selling futures for short-term success.

I don’t see the doublespeak. His actions have matched exactly what he is saying out loud. When someone says something over and over, sometime they mean what they say.

THOUGH not always…see Dubas this deadline lol

Chychrun is no short term rental. His acquisition gives you three shots at the playoffs, and he's at an age lower than the average team age. He could also be resigned at the end of that period too. He fills a glaring hole on D, a hole which simply cannot be filled by anything in the prospect pipeline. Adams could expend his top 4 picks on defense this offseason and they wouldn't be close to having an impact on the roster until 3-5 years from now.

He's gonna have to make a big trade one way or another to fill out the defense if we're serious about being a playoff team. I had high hopes that Joki and Bryson could fill out the top 4-5 positions on this roster but they're more like 6-7 on a good playoff team's depth chart.

Good luck this summer Kevyn. I hope that 15th overall and a couple of seconds prosper in your miserly hands.

 

[Ace]

No one is debating the results have been better than expected this year. The issue is that this range of outcomes shouldn’t catch your GM so unprepared or unwilling to adapt

 

[Dirty Dog]

He had a press conference just a few days ago where he said -



From Lebrun's article a few days ago:



He's out in front of the lack of closure. Botts used to do that too.

Even those quotes he says he’s been involved and immediately qualifies it by saying that he is not changing their course or giving up futures for short term success.

I didn’t watch that press conference, but I did read that article. It’s the same stuff he’s been saying for months. He is extremely open about not trading futures for short term success. And I get it, some of these players have term. But I don’t think he is willing to overpay with futures for what he thinks is fair value

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

They tried to trade the pick they used on Savoie to get Murray and take another player in Marco Kasper.

I thought the trade was 7 and Murray for 16.

 

[zenthusiast]

Yea, do you remember when we did a virtually unprecedented scorched earth rebuild and were intentionally bad? And it failed and set us back for years? It was obviously the wrong call. if you want to attribute that plan to the owner, fine. I don’t. It was a botched job by the GM.

I truly don’t get this attitude everyone is having. We finally have a good amazing young core of players and the team is being patient and succeeding. They are fun to watch.

Like I said, if everyone wants to throw a doom and gloom pity party of it, then go for it. Sorry, but not interested in joining you all. And I’m enjoying the team and what they are building

Who hired the alcoholic gm that mismanaged the team into a historic pit