Trade Deadline Thread (March 3)

[Chainshot]

Where would he fit though? Winger with Cozens?

That's where I'm looking right now.

It's more "yeah, that might be a good move" vs. "OH YES!!" on it. It softens the potential (likely?) departure of Vic next year (or this summer) and puts a productive guy into the top 6 beside Cozens who isn't trying to figure it out. And it gives them a short-term patch for Tuch being absent from the top 6.

 

[Gabrielor]

JBB has a type. This is the fourth time he's spent on a depth guy for fit reasons rather than just for height inside the lineup - Goodrow, Coleman, Hagel and now Jeannot. It's not a surprise he would go in for Jeannot, even him throwing in a bunch of low-chance lottery tickets into the mix.

I'd like types like that on Buffalo's 4th line...

Garnet Hathaway in UFA this summer, for instance...

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

These prices. No wonder Kevyn don't want to pay. Is prime Gretzky came back to league?

 

[truthbluth]

I assume you mean net front presence in the element he brings? ... Noted.. but that is the only element he brings. He is a bigger VO .. who scores in a different place on the ice

Yes But I’d argue in the games where we can’t break through, that is the reason why. We have no net front presence.

 

[Zman5778]

The bolded is the problem. As imbalanced as our prospect pipeline is, I do not believe you can complete the rebuild without some trades. You will just never get there.

Also, good management is always trying to improve the team, building, balancing, retooling, etc.

I think KA recognizes that and agrees with you. He's apparently checked in with Armstrong several times over the last 12 months and was around the periphery of the Meier conversations.

He's going to be patient -- but just because he hasn't done anything yet doesn't mean he won't. Just hasn't found the right price on the right guy.

 

[Chainshot]

I'd like types like that on Buffalo's 4th line...

Garnet Hathaway in UFA this summer, for instance...

I would too.

Yet hearing his arrival press conference with the Bruins, I doubt Hathaway leaves New England.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Did Meier fetch more than Eichel?

* Healthy.

 

[Chainshot]

Yes But I’d argue in the games where we can’t break through, that is the reason why. We have no net front presence.

They do not naturally have a lot of settle offense where they are coming from behind the net to the net front and they very much miss having guys who gravitate to it.

Yesterday's game seemed like an anomaly since they did pump pucks to the net and generated a bunch that wasn't rush based, but that is an area to try to improve, part of that being having someone who would go there with and without the puck.

 

[Ace]

There is a middle ground between what KA is doing and what Murray did. I don't see many looking for a Murray like action. But not sitting around hoping either.

The bolded is the problem. As imbalanced as our prospect pipeline is, I do not believe you can complete the rebuild without some trades. You will just never get there.

Also, good management is always trying to improve the team, building, balancing, retooling, etc.

If Murray had the team that Adams has now when he made his trades…they would have worked.

add RoR, Lehner and Kane to this roster instead of drafting Ostlund, Kulich and the goalie. That’s what the equivalent is.

He tried adding them to the opposite of a solid base.

And no one is even asking Adams to make three large trades. They’re asking him to address the holes in defense he’s left there.

Anyone who references Murray is arguing in bad faith, and they know it

 

[Jim Bob]

I think for the right guy, Adams will deal an upcoming first and an already-picked 1st rounder. I'm not sure he sees Ekholm as the right guy........sure looks like he does see Chych as that type of guy though, given the rather continual "check-ins".

I hope Adams does see the need to bring in another veteran or two, even on a longer-term deal. It's becoming obvious that Okposo is toast and we don't have much in veteran leadership behind him and Girgensons (who's never been to the playoffs).

Armstrong wants 3-4 1st rounders for Chychrun.

The only way I see Adams part with a first or two in that range is if he could get Chychrun for "just" '23 1st + Rosen or something like that.

But even then, I would be surprised that Adams pulled it off.

 

[debaser66]

they gave up the equivalent of 4 1st round picks.

how do you measure that?
there is 1st 23; and 1 of the prospects is a former first round pick; (a cond 1st could be a 2nd), others are mid tier prospects

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

After three four years they will crash hard.

 

[Jim Bob]

Possible fill-in for Tuch?

I doubt it. He is an OZ cycle guy and not a transition game guy like Tuch.

 

[Chainshot]

When Adams does start to tinker with the on-ice roster again - and yes, he hasn't done anything in-season via trade since shipping out Eichel for Tuch who was rehabbing his surgery and Krebs who needed time in the AHL - I hope he has more success than Botterill. It seemed like ever deal that man made just bled value and they were all poor fits.

 

[Chainshot]

After three four years they will crash hard.

They will sop their tiers with their Cup banners while going hard on a retool.

 

[Ace]

When Adams does start to tinker with the on-ice roster again - and yes, he hasn't done anything in-season via trade since shipping out Eichel for Tuch who was rehabbing his surgery and Krebs who needed time in the AHL - I hope he has more success than Botterill. It seemed like ever deal that man made just bled value and they were all poor fits.

Botterill’s biggest flaw, aside from hiring Krueger, was that he had zero plan for what the identity of his team would be. Zero. it was crazy.

Adams has both a plan for building a roster and the right people in place to help him identify who he should target. Its past time to start utilizing them and finish it. Waiting years for prospects to arrive and contribute in a meaningful way isn’t a full plan.

 

[Beerz]

Yes But I’d argue in the games where we can’t break through, that is the reason why. We have no net front presence.

I agree.. but I'd like someone who isn't slow and sucks in his own end and does something other than that

 

[Grouch]

I wonder at Schmaltz too. 27, reasonable deal, good quicks, has some ties to the NTDP for a moment as well as a U20 team that Don was assistant coach on. Just wondering.

For the actual cost (aav) vs what he brings (also what we are currently lacking), I would MUCH rather have Crouse. And would pay for both him and Chychrun.

 

[Chainshot]

Botterill’s biggest flaw, aside from hiring Krueger, was that he had zero plan for what the identity of his team would be. Zero. it was crazy.

Adams has both a plan for building a roster and the right people in place to help him identify who he should target. Its past time to start utilizing them and finish it. Waiting years for prospects to arrive and contribute in a meaningful way isn’t a full plan.

The things Botts had in terms of acquisitions were former Pens and a deep, disturbing fetish for right handed shooting defensemen. Seriously, someone should set up "OnlyRD's" and send him an invite as a way to make bank.

Adams has a draft preference toward forwards, for sure, so it would be great to see him make an analytically informed move to improve their mix on the blueline.

 

[Chainshot]

For the actual cost (aav) vs what he brings (also what we are currently lacking), I would MUCH rather have Crouse. And would pay for both him and Chychrun.

I would prefer Crouse too. I don't think Crouse is available though. Schmaltz's name is out there.

 

[Zman5778]

When Adams does start to tinker with the on-ice roster again - and yes, he hasn't done anything in-season via trade since shipping out Eichel for Tuch who was rehabbing his surgery and Krebs who needed time in the AHL - I hope he has more success than Botterill. It seemed like ever deal that man made just bled value and they were all poor fits.

Even Murray before Botts had a value problem -- every trade he made seemed like we gave up one piece too many.

Adams doesn't seem to have that issue, he's much more like Regier when it comes to trades. He gets the value.

 

[SabresNorth]

Armstrong wants 3-4 1st rounders for Chychrun.

The only way I see Adams part with a first or two in that range is if he could get Chychrun for "just" '23 1st + Rosen or something like that.

But even then, I would be surprised that Adams pulled it off.

I would hope something like johnson/rosen/ostlund, protected 1st, and a "b" prospect. Adding chychrun improves the roster but with Dahlin and power already on the left side we aren't really desperate to add another ld.

 

[truthbluth]

If Murray had the team that Adams has now when he made his trades…they would have worked.

add RoR, Lehner and Kane to this roster instead of drafting Ostlund, Kulich and the goalie. That’s what the equivalent is.

He tried adding them to the opposite of a solid base.

And no one is even asking Adams to make three large trades. They’re asking him to address the holes in defense he’s left there.

Anyone who references Murray is arguing in bad faith, and they know it

Since I brought up Murray, and since I know I’m not arguing in bad faith, the point was Murray saw a wealth of futures assets and he overspent. The correlation is, I’m happy for Kevyn to make moves, but I’m also fine with him being strict about value. Going around with a wad of cash not looking at price tags is good way to find yourself broke.

I want to make moves. I did not want to beat what NJ or TB spent. It’s never wrong to spend wisely unless you’re sure you’re one piece away from a cup. I’m fine with KA’s holdout on Chychrun. He isn’t worth 2 1sts and Savoie/Ostlund/Kulich. Period. GMTM might have done it, and it would have been wrong.

 

[Beerz]

Even Murray before Botts had a value problem -- every trade he made seemed like we gave up one piece too many.

Adams doesn't seem to have that issue, he's much more like Regier when it comes to trades. He gets the value.

I don't know if Adams can be judged on that yet... all he has done is sell. We haven't seen him buy yet.

 

[Zman5778]

I would hope something like johnson/rosen/ostlund, protected 1st, and a "b" prospect. Adding chychrun improves the roster but with Dahlin and power already on the left side we aren't really desperate to add another ld.

I get the whole "not desperate to add LD" thing, but Chychrun (and Ekholm) can play the right side just as well as the left.

I think the whole idea would be to bump Bryson out of the lineup, have Chych/Ekholm lead the "3rd" pairing with Boosh and then play up with Power in the 3rd/game on the line situations.