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Jim Bob said:
I do have a little hope that Adams is playing chicken with Armstrong.

And if Adams has proven anything, it is that he is patient and willing to wait to get the deal he wants.
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Gabrielor said:
It's a game of chicken. Arizona clearly needs to lower expectations.
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It's exactly a game of chicken...............and I absolutely trust that Adams won't blink first.
 
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Djp said:
Hall was entirely different. Signings were more driven around what Kruger wanted.

he moved a 3rd and got tuckahoe and Krebs….

why panic and move young prospects now befire their full development is realized?

thus year even if they added Meier and made the playoffs, they still likely don’t get past the 1st round. I’m more comfortable doing such a deal if I felt I should be grttingbto the 2nd round and have a chance for more which thrn puts the 2st late innthe round.
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I never said we should make panic moves to try to make the playoffs this year.

I'm just pointing out that in 3 years Adams has no history of adding significant players to the current roster via UFA or trade. (outside of Tuch who we also gave up Eichel to get)

I think it's a mistake in long term roster building that we didn't pick up anyone significant in 2021 or 2022 offseason via trade or UFA.

Look at NJ. They've been adding pieces for 2-3 years and now they're the 3rd best team in the league. They added good long term pieces before they were "ready". Because they knew those pieces they added would still be on the team once the prospects had matured.

Waiting until the team has matured to add anyone from outside could be too late.

Imagine if we had made even one good trade or signing in each of those off seasons instead of 0. Like imagine picking up a top 4 dman in 2021, and Husso this past year?

We'd be battling for 2nd-3rd in the Atlantic, not on the fringes of the WC.
 
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Zman5778 said:
Surprisingly, I think we wouldn't be on that list. That's an area where the Pegula/Chychrun relationship helps.

And I think given this season, we're going to be taken off of a bunch of no trade lists.
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I really wonder about that.

It could be a while before the Sabres come off of lists due to not being a big city and having high state taxes. And I don't know if going to HS with the owners kids really moves the needle.

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BFLO said:
I never said we should make panic moves to try to make the playoffs this year.

I'm just pointing out that in 3 years Adams has no history of adding significant players to the current roster via UFA or trade. (outside of Tuch who we also gave up Eichel to get)

I think it's a mistake in long term roster building that we didn't pick up anyone significant in 2021 or 2022 offseason via trade or UFA.

Look at NJ. They've been adding pieces for 2-3 years and now they're the 3rd best team in the league. They added good long term pieces before they were "ready". Because they knew those pieces they added would still be on the team once the prospects had matured.

Waiting until the team has matured to add anyone from outside could be too late.

Imagine if we had made even one good trade or signing in each of those off seasons instead of 0. Like imagine picking up a top 4 dman in 2021, and Husso this past year?

We'd be battling for 2nd-3rd in the Atlantic, not on the fringes of the WC.
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I think you vastly overestimate the impact of a single move like those.

They are not improving the Sabres by 15-ish points in the standings over 60 games played. That is what it would take to be in 2nd or 3rd place in the division today.
 
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Zman5778 said:
Surprisingly, I think we wouldn't be on that list. That's an area where the Pegula/Chychrun relationship helps.

And I think given this season, we're going to be taken off of a bunch of no trade lists.
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Not only the Pegula connection but I think the days of assuming Buffalo is on everyones no trade list are starting to fade away.. I think most look at Buffalo and see a legit young up and coming core with a bright future.
 
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SundherDome said:
I don't think I could stomach 2 firsts.
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For Ekholm? Why not? He's more of what we need on defense than Chychrun is, IMO. He's tough, rugged, physical and has a ton of playoff experience. Yeah, that contract may not age well......but I'd think even at the end of it he'll be at worst a serviceable 3rd pair/PK guy.
 
Lets just make the Chychrun move and get it over with. The team has some magic this year, head into the playoffs on a heater and beat Toronto in the 1st round. Anything can happen after that. Our goalies stink, but have 4 stud Defenseman can help a bit. We have an over abundance of prospects right now and they literally cant keep them all.
 
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Chainshot said:
I kinda expect Holland to go there because "the players" *cough*cough*McDrai*cough*cough* want a transition defenseman in Edmonton. I don't know if that helps them that much since I still think the biggest issues in Edmonton are how many of their forwards can't find their way around their own zone with a compass, a map, and a sherpa - some of them willingly ignorant of it.

And that includes McDavid.
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They would have to move someone out, already down to a 20 man roster.

No idea what to think about Poolparty, but wouldn't mind to pick up Foegele for depth if we get a some late pick as well, always liked him when he was with the canes.
 
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BFLO said:
I never said we should make panic moves to try to make the playoffs this year.

I'm just pointing out that in 3 years Adams has no history of adding significant players to the current roster via UFA or trade. (outside of Tuch who we also gave up Eichel to get)

I think it's a mistake in long term roster building that we didn't pick up anyone significant in 2021 or 2022 offseason via trade or UFA.

Look at NJ. They've been adding pieces for 2-3 years and now they're the 3rd best team in the league. They added good long term pieces before they were "ready". Because they knew those pieces they added would still be on the team once the prospects had matured.

Waiting until the team has matured to add anyone from outside could be too late.

Imagine if we had made even one good trade or signing in each of those off seasons instead of 0. Like imagine picking up a top 4 dman in 2021, and Husso this past year?

We'd be battling for 2nd-3rd in the Atlantic, not on the fringes of the WC.
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I would say the Eichel deal did put a couple of guys into the lineup albeit not immediately. But yeah, filling another hole sooner would mean less holes now.
 
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Zman5778 said:
For Ekholm? Why not? He's more of what we need on defense than Chychrun is, IMO. He's tough, rugged, physical and has a ton of playoff experience. Yeah, that contract may not age well......but I'd think even at the end of it he'll be at worst a serviceable 3rd pair/PK guy.
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I doubt Adams could stomach that.

I will be surprised if he trades a 1st round pick between 2021 (Rosen) and 2024. But, maybe he will surprise me...
 
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Think Philly would consider getting rid of this guy? Those defensive impacts :heart:

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Jim Bob said:
I think you vastly overestimate the impact of a single move like those.

They are not improving the Sabres by 15-ish points in the standings over 60 games played. That is what it would take to be in 2nd or 3rd place in the division today.
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Husso has easily been worth +10 points for Detroit this season, if not significantly more.

A top 4 D-man is also worth 4-6 points over the course of the season.
 
Jim Bob said:
I doubt Adams could stomach that.

I will be surprised if he trades a 1st round pick between 2021 (Rosen) and 2024. But, maybe he will surprise me...
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I think for the right guy, Adams will deal an upcoming first and an already-picked 1st rounder. I'm not sure he sees Ekholm as the right guy........sure looks like he does see Chych as that type of guy though, given the rather continual "check-ins".

I hope Adams does see the need to bring in another veteran or two, even on a longer-term deal. It's becoming obvious that Okposo is toast and we don't have much in veteran leadership behind him and Girgensons (who's never been to the playoffs).
 
Sound_n_Fury said:
Would a guy like Sam Lafferty be a trade possibility? Good bottom six faceoff and PK guy, plenty of speed and signed through 2024 at a reasonable price? Seems like that hits a lot of check marks with Adams plan.
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I like him as a depth guy now (either replaces Jost, Peterka, Hino, or comes in due to another injury), and as a long-term add to replace Okposo next season and beyond. Should cost a 2nd at most...it's an easy and cheap move. I think he's under-rated.
 
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