Trade Deadline Thread (March 3)

[Duddy]

Ah, yeah. I haven't gotten the feel that most here are advocating going Murray. Never go full Murray.

But finding a fit for holes in the roster? Always look.

Yes. Now it's time for smart roster building and filling holes. I mean the plan can't be wait till Dahlin is 30 and than do a trade. The team showed that they need and deserve help. No more fooling around, doing nothing won't make the lr happy.

 

[Chainshot]

Did he tho? Did we miss Joel Armia or Brendan Lemuiex? It didn't work because he bought players that had other stuff on their minds besides hockey. He chose the wrong players.. can easily happen with draft picks.

And that remains the thing that Adams has stressed frequently - he wants character and people who "want to be here for the right reasons". That was NOT how Tim did things. Personality fit is important.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

I guess my point is, everybody wants to cash in before the rebuild is complete, like Murray did. All these crazy spenders are trying to win a cup THIS year. That’s not where the Sabres are.

I think a lot of that comes from looking at the last 11 years as a whole. If you reset the whole thing, and look at just Adams tenure you have.

Season 1 - last place finish
Season 2 - finished 24th, 11th in the East
Season 3 - currently 18th in points, 15th in points %, 9th in points in the East, 7th in points %.

That is steady year over year improvement, in addition to stockpiling prospects. That's almost entirely organic growth and development from within the organization and more than we've seen from any GM the past 15 years.

Oh and he cleaned up the organizational toxicity as well.

 

[BFLO]

Meier trade. It's a major quantity for quality trade. 5 decent pieces with upside for a bona fide stud at 50% and a 3rd pairing dman.

2023 1st currently 29th pick
2024 2nd with conditions to become the 28th-32nd pick in the 1st round.

Zetterlund - Peterka like value?
Muk - Krebs like value?
Ok - Jonhnson?


Sabres offer:

Philly 2nd
Sabres 2024 1st
Peterka
Krebs
Johnson

I don't think we're in a position to pull the trigger on that kind of trade yet.

 

[Djp]

In 3 years he's shown no ability to sign a difference maker in UFA. He's 0/1 on signing big ticket UFAs (Hall). And He's signed no other UFAs north of $2.75m aav. And none of the bargain bin guys he's signed out performed their contracts.

He's also hasn't traded futures for a roster player yet.

We simply don't know if he knows what he's doing in UFA or in trades for roster players.

We know that he did well trading away roster players (Eichel, Risto, Reinhart) for futures + Tuch. And that he signed Thompson at the right time/price. So he's done some things right.

The next step is the hardest. Adding actual impact players, at the right price (trade value/$cap hit/term), to the current roster.

Hall was entirely different. Signings were more driven around what Kruger wanted.

he moved a 3rd and got tuckahoe and Krebs….

why panic and move young prospects now befire their full development is realized?

thus year even if they added Meier and made the playoffs, they still likely don’t get past the 1st round. I’m more comfortable doing such a deal if I felt I should be grttingbto the 2nd round and have a chance for more which thrn puts the 2st late innthe round.

 

[Beerz]

And that remains the thing that Adams has stressed frequently - he wants character and people who "want to be here for the right reasons". That was NOT how Tim did things. Personality fit is important.

100% I'm all for that to a certain degree.

 

[Dubi Doo]

I think a lot of that comes from looking at the last 11 years as a whole. If you reset the whole thing, and look at just Adams tenure you have.

Season 1 - last place finish
Season 2 - finished 24th, 11th in the East
Season 3 - currently 18th in points, 15th in points %, 9th in points in the East, 7th in points %.

That is steady year over year improvement, in addition to stockpiling prospects. That's almost entirely organic growth and development from within the organization and more than we've seen from any GM the past 15 years.

Oh and he cleaned up the organizational toxicity as well.

The tear down he did of the old core gets overlooked by the nay sayers- but those were the moves that gave me confidence in Adams. It wasn't just the skill level if the players he targeted- it was the type of players he targeted, too. I mean- our two most feisty forwards were obtained via the Eichel trade and they have skill on top of that. GMs kill for players like Tuch and *hopefully* Krebs (assuming he develop into a good top-9 C).

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Glorious 4th and 5th round picks. Boy are the Sabres missing out. If only our gm and every other gm except for the wild, Arizona and Chicago were that smart. Lol

Agree with trading the seconds or later if the right player comes up. I might be wrong but am not sure the seconds would have got Timo. But maybe if gmka would have tried harder

Boy it really sucks being in playoff contention. The good old days when we really sucked. That’s what we need

You are equating spending less with winning. It's nonsense. I sure wish Linus Ullmark was picked in the 2nd and not the 6th. Yes late round picks are a crapshoot but they have value and are a commodity to be used.

Pegula spent like a wildman on Leino and others and his wallet doesn't open easily now. A compromise would be good.

Let's see if dig-another-well Pags is all talk. Dating back to O"Reilly deal (when he wouldn't pay his bonus and handcuffed GM), I see a guy getting cheaper. The Thompson deal looks good because the Blues 3rd best prospect at the time is by far the best but the need to trade #90 before July 1 impacted deal.

The Dahlin deal will either show Terry is serious or not, if you ask me. We shall ssee

 

[truthbluth]

Ah, yeah. I haven't gotten the feel that most here are advocating going Murray. Never go full Murray.

But finding a fit for holes in the roster? Always look.

I wasn’t talking about most people. I was specifically aiming at those who think we should have beaten NJ’s offer (which I actually think is impossible) for Meier. Obviously that Jeannot price is nuts.

I’d trade Philly 2nd or Vegas 2nd and 2025 3rd for Jensen, 2 2nds for Fabbro, the previously discussed, 1st, Rosen, Portillo + for Chychrun, or a late pick for a D rental, but that’s about it.

Would not be rental shopping for forwards right now. JVR is about to return a 1st, 2nd, 3rd.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

The price has to drop.. dudes been sitting for like 2 weeks now

 

[Beerz]

Meier trade. It's a major quantity for quality trade. 5 decent pieces with upside for a bona fide stud at 50% and a 3rd pairing dman.

2023 1st currently 29th pick
2024 2nd with conditions to become the 28th-32nd pick in the 1st round.

Zetterlund - Peterka like value?
Muk - Krebs like value?
Ok - Jonhnson?


Sabres offer:

Philly 2nd
Sabres 2024 1st
Peterka
Krebs
Johnson

I don't think we're in a position to pull the trigger on that kind of trade yet.

I think Peterka has far more value than that Zetterlund

 

[Chainshot]

Meier trade. It's a major quantity for quality trade. 5 decent pieces with upside for a bona fide stud at 50% and a 3rd pairing dman.

2023 1st currently 29th pick
2024 2nd with conditions to become the 28th-32nd pick in the 1st round.

Zetterlund - Peterka like value?
Muk - Krebs like value?
Ok - Jonhnson?


Sabres offer:

Philly 2nd
Sabres 2024 1st
Peterka
Krebs
Johnson

I don't think we're in a position to pull the trigger on that kind of trade yet.

I could see Muhkamadulin having a similar impact for San Jose that Buffalo has had with Samuelsson. I don't have a Sabre internal comp to Okhotiuk that fits - visibly looks like he's close, plays a pro style - outside of Rousek and the difference of LD>>F in my head. Komarov is someone I would love if he became close to Okhotiuk but he's not there yet.

 

[Dingo44]

LeBrun: Will the surging Sabres be buyers at the trade deadline? Catching up with GM Kevyn Adams

The Sabres are on the edge of the playoff field and have earned a deadline add, but is Adams willing to deviate from the long-term plan?

theathletic.com

So, does Adams feel the need now to add before Friday’s deadline, especially because of Tuch’s injury?

“I don’t think anything changes in the sense of how we’re looking at this,” Adams said. “We’ve been in conversations for weeks with teams, different players, different opportunities, we’re certainly having serious conversations and looking around. But we’re not going to compromise on a short-term gain that may hurt us in the long term. That’s really critical.

“We believe in our locker room. We believe in the players that we have. If we’re able to add and it makes sense, then we’re certainly going to look at it. But nothing changes in terms of our plan, but we’re open to it, and we’ll see where things go the next few days.”

[Talking about taking on cap space like Minnesota] “We’ve been in every one of those conversations,” Adams said of being a broker team. “And the way we look at it is that we’re absolutely open to it. But it has to have value for us. In the certain conversations we’ve been in, there’s two things we’ve looked at: One is, who is the team that we’re potentially helping? Is that someone close to us in our division or that we could match up against? And, the second part is, does it make sense to us from a value standpoint?

We have cap space, but the value has to be there."

“We’re going to stick to our plan. We’ll keep having those conversations,” Adams said. “The other thing is, these games right now are unbelievable learning opportunities, especially for our younger players. What I do always weigh and want to be careful on is whether, adding to the group, is that taking away opportunities from a younger player getting this experience?

“For example, Jack Quinn jumped up on the line with (Jeff) Skinner and (Tage) Thompson today. He’s a rookie. He played very well. You’re not going to replace Alex Tuch, but that’s just an example of a great opportunity for a rookie to get that type of ice time and he performed very well. So you balance that and keep that in mind.”

 

[Djp]

Meier trade. It's a major quantity for quality trade. 5 decent pieces with upside for a bona fide stud at 50% and a 3rd pairing dman.

2023 1st currently 29th pick
2024 2nd with conditions to become the 28th-32nd pick in the 1st round.

Zetterlund - Peterka like value?
Muk - Krebs like value?
Ok - Jonhnson?


Sabres offer:

Philly 2nd
Sabres 2024 1st
Peterka
Krebs
Johnson

I don't think we're in a position to pull the trigger on that kind of trade yet.

23 1st if they don’t make CF would be 26-28 range

Peterka>> Zett.
Zett was drafted as a high 3rd rounder and is at the end of his ELC. Not saying he isn’t decent but the comparison is off.

your offer you write is higher than ROR trade….

Compher= Peterka
PHL 2nd= BUF 2nd
zadarov= Sabres 24 1st
girgs= Krebs
then you had Johmson

 

[Chainshot]

The price has to drop.. dudes been sitting for like 2 weeks now

Not only that, but it's been TWO deadlines now where this circus is out there. It's got to be that they want multiple first round returns (two was the commented return).

 

[Beerz]

I wasn’t talking about most people. I was specifically aiming at those who think we should have beaten NJ’s offer (which I actually think is impossible) for Meier. Obviously that Jeannot price is nuts.

I’d trade Philly 2nd or Vegas 2nd and 2025 3rd for Jensen, 2 2nds for Fabbro, the previously discussed, 1st, Rosen, Portillo + for Chychrun, or a late pick for a D rental, but that’s about it.

Would not be rental shopping for forwards right now. JVR is about to return a 1st, 2nd, 3rd.

Why are you saying grabbing Meier is a bad thing because we aren't "ready" yet .. Meier would be a short and long term piece.

 

[Jim Bob]

The price has to drop.. dudes been sitting for like 2 weeks now

 

[Beerz]

The price has to drop.. dudes been sitting for like 2 weeks now

I 100% support Adams holding his ground on this deal.

 

[BowieSabresFan]

I don't think it can be emphasized enough that Meier is just a rental at t his point. Who would really want the Sabres to pay that for a rental?

 

[Jim Bob]

I don't think it can be emphasized enough that Meier is just a rental at t his point. Who would really want the Sabres to pay that for a rental?

He is an RFA this summer, so he's not a pure rental (pending UFA).

 

[Zman5778]

The price has to drop.. dudes been sitting for like 2 weeks now

I dunno. I think Armstrong sees what happened yesterday and will hold firm to his ask. No matter what anyone thinks of Chychrun's fit here......he's a legit top 4 (top 2?) defenseman who is signed to a stupidly good deal for the next 2 years.

Given that Arizona isn't going to compete for the remaining length of Chychrun's contract, it's entirely plausible that he sees the prices and RAISES his asking price by offering to retain 50%. Retaining 50% of his contract this year and 2 more is also a nice way to hit the cap floor while extracting maximum value from a contender.

I don't see Armstrong budging. If he doesn't get what he wants, he'll try again in the offseason.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

Been saying what Chad is this whole time.. Never felt teams were going to pay what the Yotes want plus Buffalo has the pieces and the cap room to be the best partner.

 

[Jim Bob]

I dunno. I think Armstrong sees what happened yesterday and will hold firm to his ask. No matter what anyone thinks of Chychrun's fit here......he's a legit top 4 (top 2?) defenseman who is signed to a stupidly good deal for the next 2 years.

Given that Arizona isn't going to compete for the remaining length of Chychrun's contract, it's entirely plausible that he sees the prices and RAISES his price by offering to retain 50%. Retaining 50% of his contract this year and 2 more is also a nice way to hit the cap floor while extracting maximum value from a contender.

I don't see Armstrong budging. If he doesn't get what he wants, he'll try again in the offseason.

Chychrun was on the trade block since last year's TDL and nobody has met his ask.

There is a line you eventually cross from being patient to being obstinant.

 

[Beerz]

I don't think it can be emphasized enough that Meier is just a rental at t his point. Who would really want the Sabres to pay that for a rental?

He is not a rental... and he will sign with NJ . Book it.

Chychrun was on the trade block since last year's TDL and nobody has met his ask.

There is a line you eventually cross from being patient to being obstinant.

I think Armstrong and Adams have some things in common

 

[Chainshot]

LeBrun: Will the surging Sabres be buyers at the trade deadline? Catching up with GM Kevyn Adams

The Sabres are on the edge of the playoff field and have earned a deadline add, but is Adams willing to deviate from the long-term plan?

theathletic.com

Hinting at the lowballing from Guerin perhaps with those comments regarding retention? That "We have cap space, but the value has to be there" line looks like he had values more toward what they have been in the past based on dollar value and Guerin went under that.