GDT: Trade Deadline: Tampa won the Jeannot sweepstakes!

[molon labe]

I've come around the full way on Hextall. Not that I was some massive Hextall booster, but my frustration and tiredness was so much more focused on Sullivan. I know this is "duh" territory for many of you, but Ron should just be gone. When you stack up the fact that our depth scoring has gotten significantly crappier, when it was one of our strong suits last year. Some of this is down to a stale coach whose tenure has curdled right before our very eyes.

Carter worked out initially. Poehling looks like a fine player. Aside from that, every other decision has been wrong. ERod went while Heinen stayed. McCann gone while Carter was protected. Stuff like Marino >> Petry is harder to judge because, as mentioned above, everyone seems to look worse under our system, and better when they move away. People have been harping on about these moves already, but when you see the bigger picture, and how the same issues are costing us night after night as our season unravels into shit (GK depth, no scoring outside of the top 6, lack of willingness to change things) it just brings the bigger picture

There is being patient as a GM, and then there is conservatism to the point of impotence. Rutherford was a madman, but by god he tried his damnest to shake things up if we were in a funk as bad as this. Just get both Sullivan and Hextall out, and start with a clean slate in the summer. I hope ownership or Burke (probably not) exercises veto power over any big moves Hextall tries to make in the next two weeks. Paying a big price out of desperation, only to squeak into the playoffs and get bounced in 4-6 games is a waste of everyone's time and assets.

Agree, except with Burke.

Ship that dude to the sun as well. Clean house.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

I came here to see some trade deadline proposals. There is everything apart from trade deadline stuff..Yeah, I ' new here

 

[Darren McCord]

Paying a big price out of desperation, only to squeak into the playoffs and get bounced in 4-6 games is a waste of everyone's time and assets.

Nah you make the move. Screw it. You always make the move with Sid on the roster. When it is time to burn, you burn it all. In the meantime you trade 3 first for Timo Mier and enjoy watching Sid and Geno play. You dont surround them with trash like Chicago did. I am sorry thats just crap.

 

[molon labe]

I came here to see some trade deadline proposals. There is everything apart from trade deadline stuff..Yeah, I ' new here

Everyone on the team outside of Sid and Geno

for

Players who actually perform to contract and bring something unique to the team.



Burke, Hextall, Sully & Co

for

Local chick fil a manager, anyone on HF boards, Matt Cullen & co


Outside of that - this ain't your daddy's trade deadline. A deal ain't fixing THIS team. Haven't missed more than a handful of games in the last 10 years or so and this is the worst most discombobulated Penguins team in that timeframe by a country mile.

 

[Jobeycool]

Arizona hasn't stopped winning since he stopped playing lol

Well I guess the Pens are gonna try to get 3rd and 4rth line players anyways... not going to make much of a difference until we can at least get younger talented defensemen.. Plus Arizona is looking for a 1rst rounder for Chychrun and I think at least 3 more in return.. Tells me they are a really bad team.

 

[Gumbercules]

Most of this is already out there, but here is what was on Insider Trading on TSN this evening:

-Blues interested in Meier, willing to trade 2 1st rounders. Canes & Devils the favorites. Jets and Vegas also in the mix. (LeBrun)
-Caps have explored trading Orlov. Still trying to re-sign too however, but not really close yet (Johnston)
-Bertuzzi coming off the market since the Wings have pulled themselves back in the race. (Dreger)
- Nashville taking calls on Ekholm. Preds aren't full sellers yet though. (LeBrun)

 

[Jobeycool]

WoW..... Pens have just made Petry available before trade deadline lol.... what a mess...

 

[Turin]

Agree, except with Burke.

Ship that dude to the sun as well. Clean house.

Burke hasn't had any success anywhere since 2007, where aside from high profile FA signings he won with Bryan Murray's team.

Nah you make the move. Screw it. You always make the move with Sid on the roster. When it is time to burn, you burn it all. In the meantime you trade 3 first for Timo Mier and enjoy watching Sid and Geno play. You dont surround them with trash like Chicago did. I am sorry thats just crap.

Yea, I think people have delusions about getting some franchise player if the Pens fall out. If the Pens fall out they will get a player still years away, and will have wasted a year of Crosby and Malkin being productive. I don't get why people are trying to immanentize the eschaton here when the end is already nigh, essentially written in stone.

 

[eXile3]

Not sure if the Petry rumor is true but it would make sense. We have few players of actual value. No one’s giving us anything for Carter or Kap.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Burke hasn't had any success anywhere since 2007, where aside from high profile FA signings he won with Bryan Murray's team.


Yea, I think people have delusions about getting some franchise player if the Pens fall out. If the Pens fall out they will get a player still years away, and will have wasted a year of Crosby and Malkin being productive. I don't get why people are trying to immanentize the eschaton here when the end is already nigh, essentially written in stone.

Hahaha... nice.

Also agree. I'd way rather they at least TRY for Sid/Geno. But this team and those who run it seem a little... flaccid. I don't see much in the way of bold decision making now or on the horizon.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Not sure if the Petry rumor is true but it would make sense. We have few players of actual value. No one’s giving us anything for Carter or Kap.

Who cares about value? You trade Kapanen because he stinks and you want him off the roster.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Who cares about value? You trade Kapanen because he stinks and you want him off the roster.

Sunk cost fallacy is a hell of a drug.

 

[Turin]

Hahaha... nice.

Also agree. I'd way rather they at least TRY for Sid/Geno. But this team and those who run it seem a little... flaccid. I don't see much in the way of bold decision making now or on the horizon.

Yea, it's hard to say because nobody has any sources on the inside. The way nothing has been done since November makes Ray Shero look like Paul Holmgren. We know they were trying to make a trade in Decemberish but how hard were they trying? It almost certainly was trying to find somebody to take Kapanen, when he is not the main problem with the team. There have been like 6 players who should have been on the table.

 

[Jobeycool]

Not sure if the Petry rumor is true but it would make sense. We have few players of actual value. No one’s giving us anything for Carter or Kap.

Doubt now we get much for Petry either... Pens seem desperate and teams now know he has slowed down.. Save tons of cap space unloading Carter, Kap, I'm even done with Zucker, now Petry.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Kapanen's situation is one of the weirder ones I've seen in years.

Like... WHY was that guy signed? They saw last season... they've seen how he and Sullivan operate together. Then there was the weird quote at the top of the season by Sullivan about how he had to do better coaching him but then like... basically has used him the same as he did last year.

Whole situation is dumb and needless.

EDIT: I will say that Kap will be the kind of player where we'll be all like "WeLl WoUlD yA lOoK aT ThAt!1!" when he goes to another team and looks capable.

 

[Nakawick]

Kapanen needs a defined role. He has the tools to be a defensive winger who can platoon as a 3rd wheel in the top 6 for stretches.

 

[Turin]

Kapanen's situation is one of the weirder ones I've seen in years.

Like... WHY was that guy signed? They saw last season... they've seen how he and Sullivan operate together. Then there was the weird quote at the top of the season by Sullivan about how he had to do better coaching him but then like... basically has used him the same as he did last year.

Whole situation is dumb and needless.

EDIT: I will say that Kap will be the kind of player where we're all like "WeLl WoUlD yA lOoK aT ThAt!1!" when he goes to another team and looks capable.

Yea I’m not sure how a better job coaching him is sticking him with arguably the two worst regular NHLers in the league since December

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yea I’m not sure how a better job coaching him is sticking him with arguably the two worst regular NHLers in the league since December

I'm not exactly what I'd call a Kap fan but I do think it's a little weird HOW quick people are to assume he's utterly hopeless considering not only who he's played with but also who the guy is that is supposed to be getting the most out of him. But I'm sure Sullivan has done ALL he can do...

 

[eXile3]

I'm not exactly what I'd call a Kap fan but I do think it's a little weird HOW quick people are to assume he's utterly hopeless considering not only who he's played with but also who the guy is that is supposed to be getting the most out of him. But I'm sure Sullivan has done ALL he can do...

I just don’t think he has any or little trade value. Sully is responsible for that but it won’t matter to other teams.

Carter, now that’s utterly hopeless.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Kapanen's situation is one of the weirder ones I've seen in years.

Like... WHY was that guy signed? They saw last season... they've seen how he and Sullivan operate together. Then there was the weird quote at the top of the season by Sullivan about how he had to do better coaching him but then like... basically has used him the same as he did last year.

Whole situation is dumb and needless.

EDIT: I will say that Kap will be the kind of player where we'll be all like "WeLl WoUlD yA lOoK aT ThAt!1!" when he goes to another team and looks capable.

The bolded should be this team's slogan. Sully's extension before his current deal was up. A 37 year old Carter getting *two* years, WITH a NMC. Kap being kept around, and again, for *two* years as opposed to a "play it by ear, see what happens". Letang dropping from a guy who received Norris votes last season down to truly some of the worst, if not *the* worst hockey of his career.

 

[Turin]

I'm not exactly what I'd call a Kap fan but I do think it's a little weird HOW quick people are to assume he's utterly hopeless considering not only who he's played with but also who the guy is that is supposed to be getting the most out of him. But I'm sure Sullivan has done ALL he can do...

Yes I would trade Kap in a second, I don't care for his play style, but that doesn't mean while he's here he should be played in a way that isn't conducive to his play style. He was very good at using his speed to create oddmans 2 years ago and there is none of that. He was good with Blueger and Malkin, and good with McCann and Carter that first year. Sully clearly just has a vision of how to deploy the forwards and doesn't give a shit if the players can't handle that deployment, I guess to him that's Hextall's job. Whack.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I just don’t think he has any or little trade value. Sully is responsible for that but it won’t matter to other teams.

Carter, now that’s utterly hopeless.

I don't see him having much trade value, no. But I don't think he's at negative trade value, either. The contract is... dicey. But his raw numbers aren't exactly far off what you'd expect for a third liner with some speed and the ability to play a variety of roles if needed.

That should be the sales pitch, anyway.

Carter is untradeable. Not just because of perceived value but because Hextall gave him an unmovable contract for... reasons. Twitter feels or something I dunno.

Although I just want to point out yet again here how much nearly everyone LOVED that they did that. At the time.

Yes I would trade Kap in a second, I don't care for his play style, but that doesn't mean while he's here he should be played in a way that isn't conducive to his play style. He was very good at using his speed to create oddmans 2 years ago and there is none of that. He was good with Blueger and Malkin, and good with McCann and Carter that first year. Sully clearly just has a vision of how to deploy the forwards and doesn't give a shit if the players can't handle that deployment, I guess to him that's Hextall's job. Whack.

People forget that while a small sample size... Kap was perfectly fine within his role on Malkin's wing just last season in the playoffs. In fact he was even helping and not just being a net even.

 

[Turin]

I don't see him having much trade value, no. But I don't think he's at negative trade value, either. The contract is... dicey. But his raw numbers aren't exactly far off what you'd expect for a third liner with some speed and the ability to play a variety of roles if needed.

That should be the sales pitch, anyway.

Carter is untradeable. Not just because of perceived value but because Hextall gave him an unmovable contract for... reasons. Twitter feels or something I dunno.

Although I just want to point out yet again here how much nearly everyone LOVED that they did that. At the time.



People forget that while a small sample size... Kap was perfectly fine within his role on Malkin's wing just last season in the playoffs. In fact he was even helping and not just being a net even.

The fact that Rust has been such a disaster at times and Kap hasn't even gotten a single chance with Zucker/Malkin is such a waste. And why I didn't want Rust back.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

The fact that Rust has been such a disaster at times and Kap hasn't even gotten a single chance with Zucker/Malkin is such a waste. And why I didn't want Rust back.

Well sure but they can't NOT have Rust in the top six! Not even for a handful of shifts in a game to send a tiny, frankly tame message after he does something utterly braindead and lazy.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think the Kap experiment has run its course. Well, I think it ran its course last season, but he's here again, so.

Just move the guy. He's way too panicky for a scoring line role, and he's part of the worst 3rd line in hockey. His sweet spot in a lineup is 3rd liner who can cheat up ice a bit and try to use his skating to create odd-man rushes or breakaways the other way, with a side of PK specialist who is a threat to go the other way if the PP team loses the puck, a la Grabner. But this team doesn't have the 3rd liners to allow him to do that, and he's not utilized that way on the PK so let some other team deal with his perpetual prospect brain before he inevitably plays himself overseas to some D-tier league.

-edit- It's still bizarre to me that Hextall's grand plan last summer was to reshape the blueline and free up cap by moving Marino, just to turn around three days later to use the freed up cap from dumping Marino on bringing back f***ing *Kapanen*.