Speculation: Trade Deadline Options

[BigKing]

Might as well be today. I am not sure why a GM would wait until tomorrow instead of today for pulling a trade. Can one more loss really determine whether a team is a buyer or seller?

Bidding war can drive prices up all the way to the deadline, or drop them depending on the situation.

Take two to tango, of course. Kings didn't get Gaborik until the morning of the trade deadline day even though it was in the works well before and was on again/off again.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Might as well be today. I am not sure why a GM would wait until tomorrow instead of today for pulling a trade. Can one more loss really determine whether a team is a buyer or seller?

It's just cause there's an actual deadline. Puts pressure on people to make a decision.

 

[King'sPawn]

I'd much rather see what Brods can do and hold on to assets, unless there is a legit hockey trade to be made with one of Muzzin/Martinez.

Kopitar is the answer for Kopitar and not somebody like Vanish or Sharp.

Lombardi won't make a hockey trade like that. Apparently he still thinks this is a playoff team. Gotta keep the vets on D.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Kopitar has always managed to get his 60-70 points a season, but I always felt that he was only as good as his wingers. Carter, on the other hand, is able to make his wingers better, whether he is playing with Pearson or Toffoli on the 70s line, King, or Brown, everyone excels around him.

I am sure there are advanced stats and other figures purportedly showing Kopitar making his wingers better, but my eye test shows me otherwise. I respect his defensive game, his ability to keep possession and drive the puck, but he has been really uncreative this season. All he does is drive down low, circle around the net and pass to the point. Its like he has no other move to his game.

Outside this year, you'd be surprised how much better Kopitar makes people who play with him. Not just talking corsi #s, talking GF/GA.

Dude has spent his entire career with mediocre-to-good top six wingers and still put up 70 points a year. I like Brown, Williams, and even Smyth, but outside of that? Calder, Nagy, O'Sullivan....

Carter is more of an offensive force this year for sure but how quickly we forget people were ready to bury and trade him too.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Wouldn't be surprised if the Rosen news about maybe calling up Brodz is a smokescreen too. I'm sure it's accurate to a degree---after all, many of us thought he'd be up before Kempe--but that's also announcing to other teams "eh, we're not that interested."

 

[AlphaBravo]

Outside this year, you'd be surprised how much better Kopitar makes people who play with him. Not just talking corsi #s, talking GF/GA.

Dude has spent his entire career with mediocre-to-good top six wingers and still put up 70 points a year. I like Brown, Williams, and even Smyth, but outside of that? Calder, Nagy, O'Sullivan....

Carter is more of an offensive force this year for sure but how quickly we forget people were ready to bury and trade him too.

I don't recall people wanting to trade Carter because of his performance. The people advocating for his trade were the ones that support a rebuild or retool.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Outside this year, you'd be surprised how much better Kopitar makes people who play with him. Not just talking corsi #s, talking GF/GA.

Dude has spent his entire career with mediocre-to-good top six wingers and still put up 70 points a year. I like Brown, Williams, and even Smyth, but outside of that? Calder, Nagy, O'Sullivan....

Carter is more of an offensive force this year for sure but how quickly we forget people were ready to bury and trade him too.

It's incredible how much some people are discrediting what Kopitar has done in his career. Is he having a terrible offensive season? Absolutely. Horrible year. But then people say, "Carter should be captain because he's actually scoring." Well what about the 9 straight seasons before that when Kopitar led the team in scoring?

 

[AlphaBravo]

Looks like Sharp is too injured for any team to take a chance on him for a trade. That leaves Vanek and Vrbata as the only options.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't recall people wanting to trade Carter because of his performance. The people advocating for his trade were the ones that support a rebuild or retool.

I recall a lot of 'trade him before its too late, he's on the wrong side of 30 and trending down' chatter.

 

[Little Psycho]

An injured Sharp? Yah, we'll pass.

@FriedgeHNIC 19m19 minutes ago

Following DAL game tonight, team doctors will meet with Patrick Sharp about an injury that has nagged him for awhile....

@FriedgeHNIC possible he wont be traded as a result. Jim Nill declined to discuss specifics, but word is he's been honest with other teams

@FriedgeHNIC Word is that Sharp has tried to play through it, but getting tough

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I was just entertaining the notion in my head of the Kings being sellers since those prices are exorbitant and could land something nice, like Dwight King for a 2nd, but doubt DL would do it.

I know this is a 'bad' draft but I always wonder if that affects the later picks. I.e. obviously the gap between mcdavid and 'the field' is huge, but the gap between nolan and 'the field' isn't--but does that mean the field is worse than usual too? I'd have to look at Juniors numbers for that. I feel like it's these kind of drafts where you can get useful players for relatively cheap since it's much cheaper to acquire firsts.

examples: 2012 was 'bad' but there are some very useful players, like Pearson for us, Lindholm at 6, Trouba 9, Hertl 17, etc.

2011: Rakell at 30, Connor Murphy 20, J.T. Miller 15, Dougie Hamilton 9, the Courterier, Schiefele, Zibanejad and on up...

I dunno. JUST thinking out loud.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I was just entertaining the notion in my head of the Kings being sellers since those prices are exorbitant and could land something nice, like Dwight King for a 2nd, but doubt DL would do it.

I know this is a 'bad' draft but I always wonder if that affects the later picks. I.e. obviously the gap between mcdavid and 'the field' is huge, but the gap between nolan and 'the field' isn't--but does that mean the field is worse than usual too? I'd have to look at Juniors numbers for that. I feel like it's these kind of drafts where you can get useful players for relatively cheap since it's much cheaper to acquire firsts.

examples: 2012 was 'bad' but there are some very useful players, like Pearson for us, Lindholm at 6, Trouba 9, Hertl 17, etc.

2011: Rakell at 30, Connor Murphy 20, J.T. Miller 15, Dougie Hamilton 9, the Courterier, Schiefele, Zibanejad and on up...

I dunno. JUST thinking out loud.

Don't forget Kucherov who was selected in the 2nd round in 2011. Nine picks earlier, the Kings selected Christopher Gibson. Tampa Bay had an insane draft that year, drafting four full-time NHLers, with a fifth also appearing in NHL games. They only have one selection from that draft never to appear in any games.

Now that's some damn good scouting and development.

 

[AlphaBravo]

I was just entertaining the notion in my head of the Kings being sellers since those prices are exorbitant and could land something nice, like Dwight King for a 2nd, but doubt DL would do it.

I know this is a 'bad' draft but I always wonder if that affects the later picks. I.e. obviously the gap between mcdavid and 'the field' is huge, but the gap between nolan and 'the field' isn't--but does that mean the field is worse than usual too? I'd have to look at Juniors numbers for that. I feel like it's these kind of drafts where you can get useful players for relatively cheap since it's much cheaper to acquire firsts.

examples: 2012 was 'bad' but there are some very useful players, like Pearson for us, Lindholm at 6, Trouba 9, Hertl 17, etc.

2011: Rakell at 30, Connor Murphy 20, J.T. Miller 15, Dougie Hamilton 9, the Courterier, Schiefele, Zibanejad and on up...

I dunno. JUST thinking out loud.

Well another option we have is to trade Dwight King for a 2nd and use that 2nd and another lower draft pick, like the 5th we got in the Bishop trade, to get Vrbata. But DL would never do that.

 

[AlphaBravo]

I recall a lot of 'trade him before its too late, he's on the wrong side of 30 and trending down' chatter.

You are right. I recall that.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Doesn't Al Murray work for TB?

 

[PJ Kings Hockey]

Wouldn't be surprised if the Rosen news about maybe calling up Brodz is a smokescreen too. I'm sure it's accurate to a degree---after all, many of us thought he'd be up before Kempe--but that's also announcing to other teams "eh, we're not that interested."

That's what I was thinking.

I was just entertaining the notion in my head of the Kings being sellers since those prices are exorbitant and could land something nice, like Dwight King for a 2nd, but doubt DL would do it.

I know this is a 'bad' draft but I always wonder if that affects the later picks. I.e. obviously the gap between mcdavid and 'the field' is huge, but the gap between nolan and 'the field' isn't--but does that mean the field is worse than usual too? I'd have to look at Juniors numbers for that. I feel like it's these kind of drafts where you can get useful players for relatively cheap since it's much cheaper to acquire firsts.

examples: 2012 was 'bad' but there are some very useful players, like Pearson for us, Lindholm at 6, Trouba 9, Hertl 17, etc.

2011: Rakell at 30, Connor Murphy 20, J.T. Miller 15, Dougie Hamilton 9, the Courterier, Schiefele, Zibanejad and on up...

I dunno. JUST thinking out loud.

I'm not familiar with the players in the upcoming draft. I think I read on LGK that in someone's opinion, a late first-rounder would be like a third-rounder in a stronger draft.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Doesn't Al Murray work for TB?

He does! been doing very well

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Don't forget Kucherov who was selected in the 2nd round in 2011. Nine picks earlier, the Kings selected Christopher Gibson. Tampa Bay had an insane draft that year, drafting four full-time NHLers, with a fifth also appearing in NHL games. They only have one selection from that draft never to appear in any games.

Now that's some damn good scouting and development.

It is, that's a killer draft.

So it appears you've selected a team that you admire...next time you complain about our drafting and development, I'll do the comparison to Tampa Bay. You're gonna be surprised

 

[PJ Kings Hockey]

I recall a lot of 'trade him before its too late, he's on the wrong side of 30 and trending down' chatter.

We are HF boards and speculation is our game. I like reading opinions that differ from my own, even if they seem farfetched. Otherwise, it would be like this:

"I believe blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda."

"Yep, can't argue with you there."

"Nailed it."

"Cool, bro."

"So......."

 

[AlphaBravo]

I think a good deal is to trade for Sharp for a conditional 5th round draft pick. If Sharp misses 5 or more games in the remaining regular season games, or does not play in the playoffs because of injury, Dallas gets a 5th rounder. Safe trade because if Sharp plays, we get a winger. If he is injured, we don't lose a pick.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

I think a good deal is to trade for Sharp for a conditional 5th round draft pick. If Sharp misses 5 or more games in the remaining regular season games, or does not play in the playoffs because of injury, Dallas gets a 5th rounder. Safe trade because if Sharp plays, we get a winger. If he is injured, we don't lose a pick.

but if he doesn't play

and...

ugh too tired to argue

 

[AlphaBravo]

but if he doesn't play

and...

ugh too tired to argue

Not sure where you are driving at. If he plays, we give 5th round pick, if he doesn't play we don't give a pick.

 

[BigKing]

Not sure where you are driving at. If he plays, we give 5th round pick, if he doesn't play we don't give a pick.

There would be a line of teams offering that deal.

 

[Fishhead]

I'm glad tonight's important game is before the deadline. If they come out flat and disinterested, there's absolutely no reason for DL to be a buyer, the playoffs will be a longshot.

 

[TopT]

]Kopitar has always managed to get his 60-70 points a season, but I always felt that he was only as good as his wingers[/B]. Carter, on the other hand, is able to make his wingers better, whether he is playing with Pearson or Toffoli on the 70s line, King, or Brown, everyone excels around him.

I am sure there are advanced stats and other figures purportedly showing Kopitar making his wingers better, but my eye test shows me otherwise. I respect his defensive game, his ability to keep possession and drive the puck, but he has been really uncreative this season. All he does is drive down low, circle around the net and pass to the point. Its like he has no other move to his game.

someone started watching the Kings this year