Speculation: Trade Deadline Options

[Ziggy Stardust]

Hawks land Jurco for a 3rd. Let's see what he can do there.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Wasn't Jurco on waivers earlier in the year?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Wasn't Jurco on waivers earlier in the year?

Nope. They did waive Drew Miller a month ago though.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Nope. They did waive Drew Miller a month ago though.

It was Pulkkinnen

 

[KINGS17]

Getting Quick back this early is definitely a move to try and reignite the spark of this team. Desperate times call for desperate measures, this has been a ****ing unlucky year for us, I hope it turns around...

Not sure why these are desperate times. This team is not a cup contender. If Quick is not 100%, he shouldn't be playing.

Unlucky year?

This team has won one playoff game in 2 years, make it 3 years if they fail to make the playoffs this season. Considering the cost of the roster, that is pathetic.

 

[lexlavender]

Not sure why these are desperate times. This team is not a cup contender. If Quick is not 100%, he shouldn't be playing.

Unlucky year?

This team has won one playoff game in 2 years, make it 3 years if they fail to make the playoffs this season. Considering the cost of the roster, that is pathetic.

Outside of a shallow roster and production, this has also been a freakishly unlucky year. That doesn't excuse the failures of this team, rather adds more context to what's going on.

 

[HookKing]

Not sure why these are desperate times. This team is not a cup contender. If Quick is not 100%, he shouldn't be playing.

Unlucky year?

This team has won one playoff game in 2 years, make it 3 years if they fail to make the playoffs this season. Considering the cost of the roster, that is pathetic.

Anytime you are near a playoff spot you go for it. Not sure why anyone doesn't understand that. DL is thinking if Quick looks great he has time to make a deal, if he gets hurt again he's got 7 months to get him back. If he looks bad he will probably stand pat or make a token deal. After the turnaround in 2012 there is no way he's giving up this soon. Not rocket science.

 

[tsanuri]

Getting Quick back this early is definitely a move to try and reignite the spark of this team. Desperate times call for desperate measures, this has been a ****ing unlucky year for us, I hope it turns around...

The original estimate was mid Feb. Then in Jan it was moved back to March. I thinking the moving back was based off how he was doing. But in recovery you can start to do things and then all of a sudden you are able to push harder. So I'm thinking that is where we are. He's not really coming back early. He just finally hit a point and was feeling fine so he could push himself and was still fine after doing so.

 

[KINGS17]

Anytime you are near a playoff spot you go for it. Not sure why anyone doesn't understand that. DL is thinking if Quick looks great he has time to make a deal, if he gets hurt again he's got 7 months to get him back. If he looks bad he will probably stand pat or make a token deal. After the turnaround in 2012 there is no way he's giving up this soon. Not rocket science.

I think if this team was younger and up and coming you go for it.

This team is heading in the other direction. Every time Quick gets injured at this point in his career it is more likely he will not bounce back to his past form.

This is a throw away season. Time to assess what assets are needed, and which players/assets should be made available in trade.

This is team in nothing like the 2012 team, not rocket science.

 

[johnjm22]

Jurco for a 3rd is a good trade for the Hawks. Low risk, high potential reward.

If it doesn't work out, you lose a 3rd in a weak draft that probably wasn't going to pan out anyways.

I wouldn't have minded seeing the Kings make this move.

 

[HookKing]

I think if this team was younger and up and coming you go for it.

This team is heading in the other direction. Every time Quick gets injured at this point in his career it is more likely he will not bounce back to his past form.

This is a throw away season. Time to assess what assets are needed, and which players/assets should be made available in trade.

This is team in nothing like the 2012 team, not rocket science.

I must have missed all the "the cup is in the bag" guarantees before the Kings snuck into the playoffs under the wire with the 2nd worst offense in the league (2012).

If DL went to the owner and said, we're still close to a playoff spot but I think we'll just call it a day since this is a throwaway season anyway -- he would get fired on the spot.

Dude you are funny.

 

[theMajor]

75% of the people on this board wrote the 2012 team off in in early February (which is pretty much exactly whats happening right now)
the whole reason I signed up on this site was because I was sick and tired of the disbelievers

 

[Herby]

75% of the people on this board wrote the 2012 team off in in early February (which is pretty much exactly whats happening right now)
the whole reason I signed up on this site was because I was sick and tired of the disbelievers

That was 5 years ago!

I guess Dean Lombardi isn't the only one stuck in the past, it's time to move forward.

 

[theMajor]

just because I can make a relevant observation about the past doesnt mean Im stuck there. I realize there are problems with this team but I also see the positives. the situation isnt as dire as some of you make it out to be

 

[HookKing]

just because I can make a relevant observation about the past doesnt mean Im stuck there. I realize there are problems with this team but I also see the positives. the situation isnt as dire as some of you make it out to be

The whole point is a professional operation doesn't quit. A team that throws in the towel before the last reasonable chance is the very definition of a loser.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

just because I can make a relevant observation about the past doesnt mean Im stuck there. I realize there are problems with this team but I also see the positives. the situation isnt as dire as some of you make it out to be

Not as dire as some of us make it out to be? Yeah, I guess we must've imagined this team missing the playoffs in 2015 and their embarrassing performance to lose the division lead and getting thoroughly outplayed in the first round in 2016. Things just keep getting better in 2017.

None of that happened, it was all just an imagination. Everything is perfectly fine.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

just because I can make a relevant observation about the past doesnt mean Im stuck there. I realize there are problems with this team but I also see the positives. the situation isnt as dire as some of you make it out to be

I agree that it's fair to make observations based on the past, but comparing this year to 2012 is not a good observation to make.

It was clear pre-Carter trade that the team had a lot of pieces in place. We were a stifling defensive team (2nd GAA in the league post-Sutter hire), and all the possession metrics were positive. We just couldn't score. Carter came in and turned that around.

This team has none of that foundation. We're not a 30 goal forward away from contention. We're a two, if not three, pieces away from contention. Not the same.

 

[King'sPawn]

Not as dire as some of us make it out to be? Yeah, I guess we must've imagined this team missing the playoffs in 2015 and their embarrassing performance to lose the division lead and getting thoroughly outplayed in the first round in 2016. Things just keep getting better in 2017.

None of that happened, it was all just an imagination. Everything is perfectly fine.

So it's either/or?

This team needs to get younger and better, no doubt about it. That takes time though, and no GM will blow up a team he built. It either comes over time or with a new GM.

And before you bring up Chicago, Bowman started running the Blackhawks in 2009, so the 2010 cup winning Hawks he blew up wasn't a team he spent years cultivating.

Some of you need to get real.

 

[KINGS17]

I must have missed all the "the cup is in the bag" guarantees before the Kings snuck into the playoffs under the wire with the 2nd worst offense in the league (2012).

If DL went to the owner and said, we're still close to a playoff spot but I think we'll just call it a day since this is a throwaway season anyway -- he would get fired on the spot.

Dude you are funny.

There was no guarantee in 2012, but Jonathan Quick, Dustin Brown and Anze Kopitar were in their mid-twenties, Drew Doughty was in his early twenties. It's five years later. Time to stop living in the past.

You don't trade additional assets for rentals this season when the probability for success in almost zero. It's like throwing good money after bad.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The 3 year run they had was great, it's over.

 

[KINGS17]

That was 5 years ago!

I guess Dean Lombardi isn't the only one stuck in the past, it's time to move forward.

Amen, bring on Mike Futa.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I've been maybe more negative than anyone in the last 24 hours, and I'm on my way out the door so I can't show you until tonight, but there are many more comparisons to the 2012 team and season than those of you who are dismissing the idea will like to see.

Hint: it's less 'flawed roster,' more 'underperformance.'

And to those who want to cheapen DL's work by suggesting he just inherited everything, you're gonna have a funny awakening if you look at any of the other recent Cup winners and how they were built...

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So it's either/or?

This team needs to get younger and better, no doubt about it. That takes time though, and no GM will blow up a team he built. It either comes over time or with a new GM.

And before you bring up Chicago, Bowman started running the Blackhawks in 2009, so the 2010 cup winning Hawks he blew up wasn't a team he spent years cultivating.

Some of you need to get real.

And the Hawks won two more Cups and reached the Conference Finals after having to make a series of difficult decisions, and they never struggle to get into the playoffs, unlike this team.

So yeah, maybe it isn't a good idea to compare both teams.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I've been maybe more negative than anyone in the last 24 hours, and I'm on my way out the door so I can't show you until tonight, but there are many more comparisons to the 2012 team and season than those of you who are dismissing the idea will like to see.

Hint: it's less 'flawed roster,' more 'underperformance.'

And to those who want to cheapen DL's work by suggesting he just inherited everything, you're gonna have a funny awakening if you look at any of the other recent Cup winners and how they were built...

I don't see it. The core was younger, the center depth was better, as was the blueline. Both were significantly better than the Kings team of the past couple of seasons.

The Kings from 2012 through 2014 were a hell of a lot more balanced than the 2016 and 2017 teams.

 

[HookKing]

There was no guarantee in 2012, but Jonathan Quick, Dustin Brown and Anze Kopitar were in their mid-twenties, Drew Doughty was in his early twenties. It's five years later. Time to stop living in the past.

You don't trade additional assets for rentals this season when the probability for success in almost zero. It's like throwing good money after bad.

Wake up and smell the coffee. The 3 year run they had was great, it's over.

You think like a fan not a GM. DL is out there working the phones like crazy trying to find a deal. And what is all this the Kings are too old crap anyway? How old is Malkin? Letang? Crosby? Thornton? Burns?

What planet are you on?

 

[King'sPawn]

And the Hawks won two more Cups and reached the Conference Finals after having to make a series of difficult decisions, and they never struggle to get into the playoffs, unlike this team.

So yeah, maybe it isn't a good idea to compare both teams.

When the Hawks start struggling, Bowman won't be the one blowing up the team like you all want Lombardi to. It will either be a slow process or a new GM. That's the point.

But even so, yes, the Hawks are arguably the best run franchise in the league. They are a great model for success. I'm not denying that. I just think many of you forget what it's like really being a fan of a terrible franchise going nowhere with no hope. Lombardi has his flaws, and if he can't recognize the need to restock the cupboard, should go, but he's still a very good executive.