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deeshamrock said:
Of course any 'trade option' would involve the CAp and hopefully would not be a rental

That said, on the TSN podcast last night, they mentioned that Rutherford has some blue line injuries that have the Pens eyeing a move for a defensemen. (Also might be interested in a 'tough , nasty' forward'.) I wonder if there is a forward on the Pens that if the other deals fall thru, could be had for a Kings' defenseman or part of a package to include a tough, nasty forward.


^^^^^

THey also mentioned that the Stars Patrick Eaves (21 goals, 37 pts ) is drawing a lot of interest from GM's And why not , he's having a good year and at 1M, he's could be a pretty good depth winger.
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Penguin's prospect Oskar Sundqvist might be of some interest to the Kings. He has the size the Kings are typically looking for in a center. Might make Shore obsolete.

Derrick Pouliot would also be of interest as a defenseman, and might make it sting a lot less if the Kings were to lose a defenseman in the expansion draft.

Kings could offer up Martinez and Clifford and likely get something pretty decent in return.
 
deeshamrock said:
Offer being the key word there, that's not what the Avs want. AMart is way too old, Kempe not proven and a 2nd isn't a 1st.
Still hearing the Bruins and Canes are in the lead for Landy and the BRuins really want him.

Duchene, a lot of teams are interested, just a matter of when the Avs do the deal, and how badly some team wants him now, rather than June. Bluejackets are 'extremely ' interested.
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I wouldn't do if I were Sakic either.

More making the point that Amart seems to be the odd man out.
 
funky said:
I think we are all in agreement we don't want DL to panic to salvage the year and bring in an older Free Agent to be.

Looking forward to next year we are still short a quality top 6 Man and we need to balance out the defence as we are overloaded with LHD . Going through the NHL rosters looking for 20 minute a night 2nd pairing defenceman there is not a whole lot. I made a list of guys that might fit, some would plug the hole, some are stars and would cost.

WPG

Trouba - would cost us a ton, think Toffoli, would give us 1 more year of cheap quality play
Myers - injuries have set him back, 5.5 a year, if were writing off the year try swapping Martinez +

Shattenkirk - would be a perfect fit as he provides good offence, Free agent price tag may be to high

Tanev - solid mid 20'ish defensemen , may be more buck for the bang though

Barrie -5.5 mil is okay, goes UFA same year as Doughty, placeholder for youngster like LaDue or Clague

Eric Johnson - perfect 2nd pairing guy, but 6 mil a year hurts, signed long term

Faulk - firesale on D but offensive beast, same price and term as Barrie, would cost a ton to get

Hamilton - I think Calgary likes him again, I like him, long term 5.75. Would cost a lot but awesome

Wideman - UFA this summer, can he bounce back, older, maybe get on the cheap in the summer?

Bogosian - an actual second pairing Greene with a big contract and injury history , good fit when healthy

Ristolainen - this guy could be around when Doughty bolts to T.O, stud, cost a ton

Stone - UFA this summer, I would imagine LV grabs him, would look good w Forbort


just the options i seen for a balanced defence. RHD are hard to find. No perfect fit but some interesting ones
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Matt Dumba would be a RHD of interest. I think they protect Suter, Brodin, Spurgeon but I could be wrong.
 
KINGS17 said:
Penguin's prospect Oskar Sundqvist might be of some interest to the Kings. He has the size the Kings are typically looking for in a center. Might make Shore obsolete.

Derrick Pouliot would also be of interest as a defenseman, and might make it sting a lot less if the Kings were to lose a defenseman in the expansion draft.

Kings could offer up Martinez and Clifford and likely get something pretty decent in return.
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Pouliot has not lived up to the prospect billing in his time in the Pens organization and from his callups to the big club, he has shown virtually nothing. I would pass on him. I'd rather look at Lukas Bengtsson.

Sundqvist is interesting. I also like Sprong and Guentzel. Doubt the Pens would be inclined to move either.
 
Knight of the Realm said:
Rosen is reporting that LA is really only looking for a winger. No rentals.

Nothing we don't already know.
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Must be going Landeskog or broke. He loves his 50 point power wingers. I actually wouldn't mind this as Landry is used to losing and won't be to disappointed when he sees how many players in our team don't seem to care about sacrificing to win any more
 
funky said:
Must be going Landeskog or broke. He loves his 50 point power wingers. I actually wouldn't mind this as Landry is used to losing and won't be to disappointed when he sees how many players in our team don't seem to care about sacrificing to win any more
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If you believe the same report, there's no shot at Landeskog, either. Avs asking too much.

Rosen says any theoretical "big" trade would be in June, so reading between the lines, unless they can get a reclamation project for dirt cheap, don't expect anything.
 
Knight of the Realm said:
Rosen is reporting that LA is really only looking for a winger. No rentals.

Nothing we don't already know.
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I don't see how it's not a rental though. Kings need cap space next season. Any top 6ish forward under contract is going to cost a lot to trade for. Kings would have to make someone like Muzzin, Martinez, or Forbort available. Not going to happen.

I really appreciate what Rosen does for us fans but I feel like he's really, really off sometimes. Earlier this season on a podcast he mentioned Toffoli and Pearson won't both be back next season due to the cap. He also mentioned that Dwight King has no trade value if the Kings decide to sell. He also said the Kings were not interested in Scuderi last season a couple days before they traded for him. Obviously he's not allowed to share inside information but I feel like his opinions are off at times too (not that all of ours aren't).
 
I know the Landeskog rumor has us involving one of Muzzin or Martinez, but I was thinking, would you guys be ok with a deal for Landeskog involving Ladue and Kempe? With the rumors of Voynov possibly coming back next season, losing Ladue wouldn't hurt as much. Voynov is, believe it or not, only 2 years older than Ladue. Landeskog would also make losing Kempe not that big of a deal. Landeskog is essentially what we hope Kempe can become, and is still young and on an affordable contract. Next season we're looking at.

Landeskog-Kopitar-Gaborik(unless Vegas)
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Brown(unless Vegas)-Dowd-Mersch/Brodzinski
Clifford-Shore-Lewis
King/Nolan

Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-Voynov
Martinez-Gravel/Macdermid

Quick/Budaj or Campbell

Obviously Vegas might change some things, such as claiming one of Forbort Gaborik or Brown, but there would still be free agency to replace one of them.
 
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Cook24 said:
I know the Landeskog rumor has us involving one of Muzzin or Martinez, but I was thinking, would you guys be ok with a deal for Landeskog involving Ladue and Kempe? With the rumors of Voynov possibly coming back next season, losing Ladue wouldn't hurt as much. Voynov is, believe it or not, only 2 years older than Ladue. Landeskog would also make losing Kempe not that big of a deal. Landeskog is essentially what we hope Kempe can become, and is still young and on an affordable contract.
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I would trade LaDue/Kempe for Landeskog in a heartbeat. The Cap unfortunately, has to have salary going the other way.
 
From the start of last summer, this has been a prove it season. Went for it in 14-15, didn't work. Went for it in 15-16, didn't work. DL didn't do that last summer. He basically said, alright, the guys that are here, you have to show that you're worth investing in, because collectively you burned me twice already, and of course the whole Richards thing. I'm not counting Voynov, that's something else altogether.

What have they shown? What have the proven? 6 goals from both Kopitar and Gaborik. They're hanging in there without Quick because of their great 3v3 record. The 3 vets on defense, and 2 in particular, have been a mystery to one degree or another all year.
 
Cook24 said:
I know the Landeskog rumor has us involving one of Muzzin or Martinez, but I was thinking, would you guys be ok with a deal for Landeskog involving Ladue and Kempe? With the rumors of Voynov possibly coming back next season, losing Ladue wouldn't hurt as much. Voynov is, believe it or not, only 2 years older than Ladue. Landeskog would also make losing Kempe not that big of a deal. Landeskog is essentially what we hope Kempe can become, and is still young and on an affordable contract. Next season we're looking at.

Landeskog-Kopitar-Gaborik(unless Vegas)
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Brown(unless Vegas)-Dowd-Mersch/Brodzinski
Clifford-Shore-Lewis
King/Nolan

Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-Voynov
Martinez-Gravel/Macdermid
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That deal wont work. The only way we can get a top 6 winger around $5MM cap hit is if we trade Muzzin or Martinez to approx. even out the cap hits. Also, if we trade LaDue in a deal for Landeskog, and move Muzzin or Martinez in the offseason for an entry level player or high draft pick (to even out the cap hits), we will be deleted on the blue line.

I would be willing to trade Pearson+ for Duchene. Getting another 2C will give us a lot more flexibility, because we can move Carter to wing, and if we make the playoffs, move things around to be deep down center. Below are potential combinations if such a deal went down:

Carter-Kopitar-Brown
Gaborik-Duchene-Toffoli
[bottom 6 combos]

or

Kempe-Kopitar-Gaborik
King-Carter-Toffoli
Brown-Duchene-Nolan
 
Hoping Dean sees what he can get for Martinez, King, and maybe Clifford at the deadline.

He should be looking to move at least two of these three. King simply because he is too expensive and doesn't fit well under the salary cap considering what the other overpaid forwards are making.
 
I'd move all three if the opportunity presented itself. That'll open up over $7M in cap space, and as much as I like Martinez, he's overpaid for his role. He's struggled to cement himself as a top 3-4 dman on this roster.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
I'd move all three if the opportunity presented itself. That'll open up over $7M in cap space, and as much as I like Martinez, he's overpaid for his role. He's struggled to cement himself as a top 3-4 dman on this roster.
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Not sure how much cap space an overpaid defenseman is going to open up. Sounds more like you'd have to take an overpaid contract back in the deal, or retain salary, or add a high pick. What team needs an overpaid defenseman?
 
KINGS17 said:
Hoping Dean sees what he can get for Martinez, King, and maybe Clifford at the deadline.

He should be looking to move at least two of these three. King simply because he is too expensive and doesn't fit well under the salary cap considering what the other overpaid forwards are making.
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Agree with shopping Martinez and King. I think Martinez has some trade value and would strongly consider 2018 draft picks since 2017 is thought of as weak.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Yes. Look at how badly he's struggled defensively.

You might want to get your eyes checked, or stop being a fanboy who keeps thinking nothing is wrong.
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the fact that hes struggled defensively this season doesnt mean he has failed to cement himself as a top 4 Dman on this team. hes come a long way over the last few seasons and is having an off year, same as Muzz. I dont think that everything is fine but the way some of you complain about things, you'd think we are the Avalanche. "fire Sutter, fire Dean, trade Carter, trade Muzzin, Kopitar sucks, poor me" give me a ****ing break.
 
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Martinez was at his best when he was sheltered as a good puck moving dman on the third pairing.

He's been dreadful as his minutes and responsibilities have increased. He is one of the weakest defenders on this team, his play in his own end has been unacceptable. I'd rank Forbort way ahead of Martinez.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is nothing Martinez does to justify his contract.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Martinez was at his best when he was sheltered as a good puck moving dman on the third pairing.

He's been dreadful as his minutes and responsibilities have increased. He is one of the weakest defenders on this team, his play in his own end has been unacceptable. I'd rank Forbort way ahead of Martinez.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is nothing Martinez does to justify his contract.
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He scored Western Conference and Stanley Cup winning goals!! What have you done?? :naughty:

Seriously, the Kings could likely get more for Martinez than he is actually worth if they act at the deadline. Here's hoping a few contending teams get a defenseman banged up a little before the deadline arrives.
 
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