Speculation: Trade Deadline Options

[Raccoon Jesus]

I understand not wanting to trade a young asset who showed good in the juniors for team Canada.

But would Iginla and a 3rd be fair?

Or am I way off?

No offense, but way off. Iginla's salary is prohibitive to most contenders and though I'm sure he'd waive his NMC, it exists. Not giving up what's potentially our best prospect for a few months of a retiring vet when we're not in the upper echelon of favorites at all.

 

[KINGS17]

Lombardi sealed the fate of this team, with the Kopitar/Brown/Quick/Gabo contracts.

There is no going back, only forward, with the enormous contract lengths and cap hits.

No sense in rebuilding with Doughty entering his prime years.

Obviously I don't agree, but I respect this opinion from the standpoint Doughty should be consulted before any major moves are made.

Lombardi has handcuffed himself and is going to have to do something radical to get back into Stanley Cup contention during the time when Doughty is still near the top of his game.

I think trading any of the four contracts you mentioned would be very difficult, but I also don't see those four players as a group providing the level of play necessary for the Kings to be cup contenders. The contracts are simply too rich for the level of play these individuals are providing.

This is why I would advocate moving any player over 30 years of age having substantial value.

For example, given the surprising development of the younger defensemen, it is probably time to move Muzzin or Martinez for a young forward, with top six potential, not requiring protection in the expansion draft.

There are probably a handful of teams that actually have realistic hopes for a cup in 2017 that would make such a deal.

I do believe, as at least one other poster has suggested, Dean should determine Carter's value on the trade market.

Not related to damacles post, re: Iginla, I have no interest in seeing the Kings acquire him.

 

[johnjm22]

This is why I would advocate moving any player over 30 years of age having substantial value.

Does that include Quick?

That seems to be the contract that nobody is talking about. He's 31. Signed for 6 more years for 5.8M.

 

[lexlavender]

Just as a heads up, Kings now have close to 7 mil in deadline space, not including LTIR space. Acquiring an expensive rental could be possible, if maybe ill advised.

 

[KingsFan7824]

For example, given the surprising development of the younger defensemen, it is probably time to move Muzzin or Martinez for a young forward, with top six potential, not requiring protection in the expansion draft.

There are probably a handful of teams that actually have realistic hopes for a cup in 2017 that would make such a deal.

That's the game of chicken all the GM's are playing. The handful of teams with realistic hopes for a run in 2017 also probably already have the 3 or 4 defensemen they want to protect. Are they going to trade you a cheap, exempt, potential top 6 forward, with no guarantee of winning the Cup, for another defenseman, who they in turn may or may not lose in the draft?

Other than just probably a handful, which teams specifically would be in that boat? My guess is it's more likely they would be taking back an established forward with a $4m-ish contract back, who the Kings would then protect for the draft, if Muzzin or Martinez would be traded before the deadline.

 

[YP44]

Does that include Quick?

That seems to be the contract that nobody is talking about. He's 31. Signed for 6 more years for 5.8M.

depends on how he comes back IMO. This was obviously a serious injury that could have repercussions. Or maybe he has been out long enough that he is fully healed. I am not a doctor but it could go either way.
If he can stay being even a top 10 goalie his contract is a steal, if he can return to top 5 it is an amazing deal, if he falters it could be trouble.

 

[KINGS17]

Does that include Quick?

That seems to be the contract that nobody is talking about. He's 31. Signed for 6 more years for 5.8M.

I would have been okay with moving Quick last off season. I think it might have been a possibility back then in terms of another GM taking on his deal.

Unfortunately, I don't think there is a GM out there willing to trade for him at this point in time due to his recent injury history and his contract. The goalie market is not a "seller's market" and hasn't been for quite some time.

I think it's a priority for Lombardi at this time to get some legit #1 potential goaltending talent back into the system. This might best be accomplished in a different deal with a contender willing to move a high caliber young goaltender.

 

[YP44]

Meh. It's not set in stone. But I guess I shall amend my official response in that case to, "whatever, we saved some cap space."

Some Washington Caps reporter tweeted he will be reporting to Hershey in the short term.

In order to get the 5th Gilbert needs to play in 50% of the caps playoff games and the caps need to make it to the 2nd round. I think only one of those things is likely. So I think all LA got is cap space. Which means maybe DL has another deal in mind otherwise what was the point?

I think I saw the mayor pin pointed the 21st as a date LA would be likely to make a deal.

 

[KINGS17]

That's the game of chicken all the GM's are playing. The handful of teams with realistic hopes for a run in 2017 also probably already have the 3 or 4 defensemen they want to protect. Are they going to trade you a cheap, exempt, potential top 6 forward, with no guarantee of winning the Cup, for another defenseman, who they in turn may or may not lose in the draft?

Other than just probably a handful, which teams specifically would be in that boat? My guess is it's more likely they would be taking back an established forward with a $4m-ish contract back, who the Kings would then protect for the draft, if Muzzin or Martinez would be traded before the deadline.

Definitely a game of chicken. I don't think Lombardi should be willing to take back a contract of a forward he would have to protect in the expansion draft in exchange for Muzzin or Martinez. Only teams willing to trade an up and coming forward, with top 6 potential, not requiring expansion draft protection need apply.

One of the points of a deal such as this for the Kings would be the ability to protect another one of their own young defensemen.

The point for a legit cup contender is adding a defenseman to solidify the blue line for a long playoff run. Well worth it, if the GM making the deal has a true contending team.

 

[YP44]

I would have been okay with moving Quick last off season. I think it might have been a possibility back then in terms of another GM taking on his deal.

Unfortunately, I don't think there is a GM out there willing to trade for him at this point in time due to his recent injury history and his contract. The goalie market is not a "seller's market" and hasn't been for quite some time.

I think it's a priority for Lombardi at this time to get some legit #1 potential goaltending talent back into the system. This might best be accomplished in a different deal with a contender willing to move a high caliber young goaltender.

There are some good goalies out there right now (Bishop, Fleury) however if quick responds with at least better than average goaltending his contract will look really good. Especially with one more team in the league #1 guys will become more in demand.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Definitely a game of chicken. I don't think Lombardi should be willing to take back a contract of a forward he would have to protect in the expansion draft in exchange for Muzzin or Martinez. Only teams willing to trade an up and coming forward, with top 6 potential, not requiring expansion draft protection need apply.

One of the points of a deal such as this for the Kings would be the ability to protect another one of their own young defensemen.

If they traded Muzzin/Martinez for a more established forward, then they could protect Doughty, Muzzin/Martinez, and Forbort, and that's that. Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, player acquired, Dowd, and someone else up front.

The point for a legit cup contender is adding a defenseman to solidify the blue line for a long playoff run. Well worth it, if the GM making the deal has a true contending team.

How many legit contenders have $4m in cap space, a young potential top 6 to throw around, and a willingness to throw caution to the wind with the exp draft?

It helps the Kings in a bunch of ways if such a deal was out there, but from my non-insider fan perspective, I'd be surprised if it was.

 

[YP44]

If they traded Muzzin/Martinez for a more established forward, then they could protect Doughty, Muzzin/Martinez, and Forbort, and that's that. Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, player acquired, Dowd, and someone else up front.



How many legit contenders have $4m in cap space, a young potential top 6 to throw around, and a willingness to throw caution to the wind with the exp draft?

It helps the Kings in a bunch of ways if such a deal was out there, but from my non-insider fan perspective, I'd be surprised if it was.

closest I can think of is Montreal. They are in go for it mode as they potentially only have 2 more years of Price.

 

[deeshamrock]

Some Washington Caps reporter tweeted he will be reporting to Hershey in the short term.

In order to get the 5th Gilbert needs to play in 50% of the caps playoff games and the caps need to make it to the 2nd round. I think only one of those things is likely. So I think all LA got is cap space. Which means maybe DL has another deal in mind otherwise what was the point?

I think I saw the mayor pin pointed the 21st as a date LA would be likely to make a deal.

Past the 2nd round , the condition is 'win 2 or more rounds'.
ANd you're right, it was just for the CAP space.

 

[deeshamrock]

Pierre Le Brun's been saying for a few days now that the Kings are interested in Iginla. I sure hope not. No more throwing picks away, picks that the Kings need to restock the farm, on overage rentals. I liked Iggy, but he is not a game changer or difference maker, esp on a team that if they do make the playoffs won't make it far. I'd rather see him give some of the Reign players time and experience. DL needs to stop dumpster diving. If he's making a trade, get a player who is still young and relevant and has good term.

 

[PJ Kings Hockey]

Pierre Le Brun's been saying for a few days now that the Kings are interested in Iginla. I sure hope not. No more throwing picks away, picks that the Kings need to restock the farm, on overage rentals. I liked Iggy, but he is not a game changer or difference maker, esp on a team that if they do make the playoffs won't make it far. I'd rather see him give some of the Reign players time and experience. DL needs to stop dumpster diving. If he's making a trade, get a player who is still young and relevant and has good term.

I agree, but haven't Dean's trades largely come out of nowhere? Rumors he was going to get one guy and he got somebody largely or completely (see Lecavalier) out of the conversation.

 

[Little Psycho]

Pierre Le Brun's been saying for a few days now that the Kings are interested in Iginla. I sure hope not. No more throwing picks away, picks that the Kings need to restock the farm, on overage rentals. I liked Iggy, but he is not a game changer or difference maker, esp on a team that if they do make the playoffs won't make it far. I'd rather see him give some of the Reign players time and experience. DL needs to stop dumpster diving. If he's making a trade, get a player who is still young and relevant and has good term.

Some posters here ok throwing a 5th or a 6th for him, but it's best to stay away. Those picks can be valuable...LaDue was a 6th rounder.

 

[YP44]

I agree, but haven't Dean's trades largely come out of nowhere? Rumors he was going to get one guy and he got somebody largely or completely (see Lecavalier) out of the conversation.

but Schenn was rumored for a while VL was a nice bonus.

 

[YP44]

Pierre Le Brun's been saying for a few days now that the Kings are interested in Iginla. I sure hope not. No more throwing picks away, picks that the Kings need to restock the farm, on overage rentals. I liked Iggy, but he is not a game changer or difference maker, esp on a team that if they do make the playoffs won't make it far. I'd rather see him give some of the Reign players time and experience. DL needs to stop dumpster diving. If he's making a trade, get a player who is still young and relevant and has good term.

I too hope he stays away. Would rather see scratched players like AA and Nolan (when healthy) in then Iggy.
Iginla has nothing left, and those him and Sutter can rekindle 2004 are dreaming.

 

[PJ Kings Hockey]

Some posters here ok throwing a 5th or a 6th for him, but it's best to stay away. Those picks can be valuable...LaDue was a 6th rounder.

And Kevin Gravel and Colin Miller were 5th-round picks.

 

[LAKings88]

Pierre Le Brun's been saying for a few days now that the Kings are interested in Iginla. I sure hope not. No more throwing picks away, picks that the Kings need to restock the farm, on overage rentals. I liked Iggy, but he is not a game changer or difference maker, esp on a team that if they do make the playoffs won't make it far. I'd rather see him give some of the Reign players time and experience. DL needs to stop dumpster diving. If he's making a trade, get a player who is still young and relevant and has good term.

It's a no brainer and exactly what DL will be looking for this year. A Vinny L kind of boom or bust.

Iginla will be a Kingif DL gets the price he wants.

 

[Stimpythecat]

I say no to Iginla. I think he's done. I think if he had anything left, he already would have been snapped up by someone.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I say no to Iginla. I think he's done. I think if he had anything left, he already would have been snapped up by someone.

His salary/cap is prohibitive. Wouldn't be surprised if a team is waiting till close to the deadline to save every last drop. Though I agree, he's toast.

 

[Stimpythecat]

True, his cap hit is high but at 50% retention and sending someone down to make room on the roster for Iginla, I think only 3 teams can't absorb his cap hit. And even then one would only need to clear an additional $200k beyond that.

 

[johnjm22]

His salary/cap is prohibitive. Wouldn't be surprised if a team is waiting till close to the deadline to save every last drop. Though I agree, he's toast.

I bet you he plays well for whatever team he goes to.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Maybe giving Iginla a live look? Or a Sabres dman who could be a UFA rental in either one of Franson or Kulikov?