Speculation: Trade Deadline: March 8, 2024

[Edenjung]

Well what kind of return are you getting for Schmaltz?
He has a NTC and has a downyear. With retention for two more years you might get what? A third from a contender? Maybe a mid second round pick?
We already have many of those picks. And if they would really get us a 1st line dman then we would have done so.

We have plenty of picks that a Schmaltz trade would get us. And we would have to overpay again for a stopgap at his position, because we would have to reach the capfloor.

So for me it is not really an option to trade Schaltz now. Maybe if the team gets a really great offer at the draft. Or next season. But for now? Lets keep him and try to trade Dumba and Zucker.

 

[rt]

Not me. I want a Schmaltz replacement to be highly skilled plus that other stuff. I'm not sure how you get that with a pile of 2nds and 3rds, but that's what I would want.

Have to draft that. Hope for Lindstrom if that’s what you want.

 

[Mosby]

I don't want picks for Schmaltz. I want a defenceman.

 

[rt]

I don't want picks for Schmaltz. I want a defenceman.

First one. Than the other.

 

[RedBeard]

If they miss out on Guentzel, the Canes may be the most logical landing spot for Schmaltz. They were supposedly interested in him last year and are targeting scoring again this deadline.

 

[rt]

Well what kind of return are you getting for Schmaltz?

Don’t care honestly. I want the $8mil in budget the next two seasons cleared out so we can use it on defensemen and players who actually give a crap.

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We have plenty of picks that a Schmaltz trade would get us. And we would have to overpay again for a stopgap at his position, because we would have to reach the capfloor.

Cap floor is not an issue. We have no defensemen under contract next season. We have to sign like 8 D.

So for me it is not really an option to trade Schaltz now. Maybe if the team gets a really great offer at the draft. Or next season. But for now? Let’s keep him and try to trade Dumba and Zucker.

It’s not an option not to trade. Getting rid of him is the only thing I care about this week.

If they miss out on Guentzel, the Canes may be the most logical landing spot for Schmaltz. They were supposedly interested in him last year and are targeting scoring again this deadline.

Perfect. They have two 2nds. I’ll take both!



Dangit! I thought Nashville was a good spot for Schmaltz.

 

[Edenjung]

Overpaying one player is better than overpaying 4 players to get to the floor.
And if he gets traded next season they would also shed a lot of money. For now there is no real need to shed salary. The guys we want to build upon in the future are on ELCs. And the others can easily be paid until we trade Schmaltz.

For me there is no reason why the organisation should trade Schmaltz this week. They have enough time to think about it and get a better return at the draft or next season.
So there are indeed more options to not trade right now.
Trading him right now also diminishes the return, because you would need a broker to take on salary.
And you will not get a 2nd for Schmaltz for that. Maybe a 3rd and 5th round pick.

Personally i think you are too focused on one player. There are other options.

 

[rt]

Overpaying one player is better than overpaying 4 players to get to the floor.

Floor is not an issue.

And if he gets traded next season they would also shed a lot of money. For now there is no real need to shed salary. The guys we want to build upon in the future are on ELCs. And the others can easily be paid until we trade Schmaltz.

We’re a budget team. We need to spend dollars wisely. Spending on a soft, lazy, disappearing act like Schmaltz is unwise.

For me there is no reason why the organisation should trade Schmaltz this week.

There is. The team collectively gave up half way through the season and have been sleepwalking for three straight months. There needs to be accountability. There needs to be a change.

This is a watershed moment. Will we backslide into listless apathy or will we cut out the fat and bring in sterner stuff?

They have enough time to think about it and get a better return at the draft or next season.
So there are indeed more options to not trade right now.
Trading him right now also diminishes the return, because you would need a broker to take on salary.
And you will not get a 2nd for Schmaltz for that. Maybe a 3rd and 5th round pick.

Don’t agree with your valuation at all. And even if I did, I wouldn’t care. I’ll take it.

Personally i think you are too focused on one player. There are other options.

None of those other players matter at all. Nobody cares if Dumba or Zucker get traded. I care about Schmaltz because he’s our highest paid player.

 

[Jakey53]

I don’t care if he was underpaid two years ago. I care about how we can reallocate all those dollars the next two years. There are better ways to spend it.

He’s good at stealing pucks in the neutral zone. He’s horrendous at in-zone defense.

What about Durzi and McBain?

Disagree. Players are worth most and picks least at the deadline and picks are worth most and players least at the draft. Get the cheap picks now and trade them for the cheap players at the deadline. It’s how it’s done right.

Two steps. Stop thinking this is checkers.

I'm tired of getting picks in trades for our best players. I want a hockey trade where we get a better player in return. Schmaltz +2nd or two for say a Martin Necas who I understand is available. You saying you would trade Schmaltz for a second is just down right stupid, and I think you know that.

 

[Edenjung]

50p Players don't grow in trees. Same goes for 20g scorers.
Thats all i am saying.

 

[RABBIT]

Bjugstad not on the ice for morning skate, but apparently he is also expecting a child with his wife. Per Morgan.

 

[rt]

I'm tired of getting picks in trades for our best players. I want a hockey trade where we get a better player in return. Schmaltz +2nd or two for say a Martin Necas who I understand is available. You saying you would trade Schmaltz for a second is just down right stupid, and I think you know that.

I’d trade him for a 7th if I had to. I think his market value is more like a 2nd.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

The market makes no sense for schmaltz to be traded right now. We wouldn’t get any sort of good return I don’t think.

 

[Mosby]

Mysak for Perreault is a solid deal for MTL

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

My prediction is zucker and Dumba both go some point today for a 4th and 5th round pick. We are all very underwhelmed and have no fun, as is our lot as coyotes fans.

 

[Baby Doaner]

I think we’re stuck with our junk.

 

[Foggy1097]

Veggie starting tonight. He’s not going to do anything other than trade Zucker, is he? Sigh.

 

[Coyotes19c]

My prediction is zucker and Dumba both go some point today for a 4th and 5th round pick. We are all very underwhelmed and have no fun, as is our lot as coyotes fans.

Both players aren’t worth much to begin with. I was praying for a 2nd but expecting a 3rd each.

 

[rt]

I think we’re stuck with our junk.

Zucker and Dumba will go. But that might be it. Other than those two, Schmaltz is the only trade I really want anyway.

 

[Baby Doaner]

Zucker and Dumba will go. But that might be it. Other than those two, Schmaltz is the only trade I really want anyway.

I hope you’re right!

 

[cobra427]

I don’t care if he was underpaid two years ago. I care about how we can reallocate all those dollars the next two years. There are better ways to spend it.

Sure there are, but we signed him to the contract. We will get the value back from an over paid player, that still might be our second best all around forward.

He’s good at stealing pucks in the neutral zone. He’s horrendous at in-zone defense.

No he is not, he is actually above average in his own end, that is why he can play some C, his defense is good.

What about Durzi and McBain?

Neither are really good players, we need higher end players than those 2 types of players.

Disagree. Players are worth most and picks least at the deadline and picks are worth most and players least at the draft. Get the cheap picks now and trade them for the cheap players at the deadline. It’s how it’s done right.

Two steps. Stop thinking this is checkers.

All of our second round picks aren't going to get us a good NHL player this summer. Packaging Schmaltz and picks this summer might get us a good NHL player.

 

[cobra427]

Overpaying one player is better than overpaying 4 players to get to the floor.
And if he gets traded next season they would also shed a lot of money. For now there is no real need to shed salary. The guys we want to build upon in the future are on ELCs. And the others can easily be paid until we trade Schmaltz.

For me there is no reason why the organisation should trade Schmaltz this week. They have enough time to think about it and get a better return at the draft or next season.
So there are indeed more options to not trade right now.
Trading him right now also diminishes the return, because you would need a broker to take on salary.
And you will not get a 2nd for Schmaltz for that. Maybe a 3rd and 5th round pick.

Personally i think you are too focused on one player. There are other options.

Yep, I agree. besides, if Schmaltz just went on the block, it might take a year or two to trade him like OEL/Chych. BA doesn't make quick decisions on players that have value.

 

[Foggy1097]

Nick Schmaltz is not a good defensive hockey player and has not stuck at center ever because he shies away from board battles and physicality, is prone to laziness too many nights, and is not positionally sound in his own end. No one should be under the illusion that he is a good defensive hockey player. He is below average.

 

[AZviaNJ]

Dumba (as warned by Minny fans) and Zucker are complete FA mistakes.

My prediction is zucker and Dumba both go some point today for a 4th and 5th round pick. We are all very underwhelmed and have no fun, as is our lot as coyotes fans.

Two blemishes on BA's GM resume for sure. 3rd and 4th, hopefully. They're both down-the-line chips for teams that lost out on bigger chips.

 

[cobra427]

Floor is not an issue.

We’re a budget team. We need to spend dollars wisely. Spending on a soft, lazy, disappearing act like Schmaltz is unwise.

There is. The team collectively gave up half way through the season and have been sleepwalking for three straight months. There needs to be accountability. There needs to be a change.

If thats the case, it is also on the GM for constructing the team and the coach. This isn't on Schmaltz.

This is a watershed moment. Will we backslide into listless apathy or will we cut out the fat and bring in sterner stuff?

Don’t agree with your valuation at all. And even if I did, I wouldn’t care. I’ll take it.

None of those other players matter at all. Nobody cares if Dumba or Zucker get traded. I care about Schmaltz because he’s our highest paid player.