Speculation: Trade Deadline: March 8, 2024

[Mosby]

What’s the ask for Vejmelka?

Just take him. You don’t even need to pay the air fare — he can slide all the way to his new city.

 

[cobra427]

We won't have an increase of 20 pts. next. Hell, we can't even make it 10 pt. increase over last year unless we get hot. That's not acceptable in my eyes. I just hope that BA stops with these one year stop gap guys. We have enough kids in the minors that should be playing on the big club so they can be evaluated to see if they have the talent to play in the NHL. If not move on. I guess the thinking was that these stop gap vets would help us play meaningful games this time of year.

I think the stop gap guys hold down the forte while we let the kids get better at the proper pace. Putting kids in situations above there head can hurt development, I see why they pick up the Dumbas/Zuckers, etc. I like BAs plan and think it will work eventually but at what point is it too long to make the playoffs? If we miss next year, it will be 5 years in a row, like you said, a 20 point increase would be a lot. What if we finish with 70 points or less this year and have a worse year then last year, then what? We can't really claim progress can we?

This is what happens when you don't address problems and make changes in any business quickly, you prolong the success that can come later, that is us.

 

[Jakey53]

I think the stop gap guys hold down the forte while we let the kids get better at the proper pace. Putting kids in situations above there head can hurt development, I see why they pick up the Dumbas/Zuckers, etc. I like BAs plan and think it will work eventually but at what point is it too long to make the playoffs? If we miss next year, it will be 5 years in a row, like you said, a 20 point increase would be a lot. What if we finish with 70 points or less this year and have a worse year then last year, then what? We can't really claim progress can we?

This is what happens when you don't address problems and make changes in any business quickly, you prolong the success that can come later, that is us.

I know why they signed these vets, but we now have kids that are 20-23 yrs. old in Tucson that we have to find out if they can play in the NHL. I would like to think that after TTD we see some of these kids. We have kids coming up that have to play in Tucson next year.

 

[lanky]

Thinking about kids graduating up to Tucson... who might they be? It could be a big crew.

Definitely
Geekie
Lamoureux
Langlois

Probably
Duda
Lipkin

Maybe
Matikka
Lutz

 

[rt]

Hopefully when we trade Dumba and Zucker we get decent AHL players thrown into the returns, along with draft picks. That way when we call up Doan and Soderstrom, Tucson is made whole.

 

[FinnishCoyote]

If we ever win a cup i can see Keller having similar impact than Landeskog had in Colorado. Obviously completely different players, but both have been elite players and have stayed with organization for rebuild 2.0.

I don't want to trade him, unless he wants out. He has earned the right to demand a trade

 

[Schemp]

Hopefully when we trade Dumba and Zucker we get decent AHL players thrown into the returns, along with draft picks. That way when we call up Doan and Soderstrom, Tucson is made whole.

I doubt there will be much interest for those 2 and I think the focus should be on the Calder. I'm not sure how the rosters work in the AHL's playoffs, but I think that Cooley, Guenther, and Kesselring should be in the AHL playoffs. Embrace the tank and go for the Calder!

LET'S GO ROADRUNNERS!

 

[Llewzaher]

This is a team that overachieved early and underachieved lately. I think we are a better team than last year. We have seen it. We dominated teams quite a bit. But we need a shrink in here as there are some major mental mistakes going on

We have had that issue ever since Bobby Smith left. Every Yotes team since had issues with executing and mental breakdown down. The IQ just says bye bye

 

[rt]

Hopefully when we trade Dumba and Zucker we get decent AHL players thrown into the returns, along with draft picks. That way when we call up Doan and Soderstrom, Tucson is made whole.

Zucker(50%) + Dumba(50%) + COL ‘24 3rd for Jack Thompson and Gage Goncalves?

This is a team that overachieved early and underachieved lately. I think we are a better team than last year. We have seen it. We dominated teams quite a bit. But we need a shrink in here as there are some major mental mistakes going on

We have had that issue ever since Bobby Smith left. Every Yotes team since had issues with executing and mental breakdown down. The IQ just says bye bye

I think we get 13pts in our next 13 games.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

We need guys who can make up for Keller's shortcomings in leadership and compete level. Keller has elite offensive skills but he does not galvanize a team. He's a player who can push you to the top of the mountain, but you need a core that can attack the peak and set up the camps that get you to the point where you can make a summit attempt.

We had that mixture exactly once in the time I've been a fan of this team, in 2012. We haven't since, and we certainly don't have it now.

Damn, I had no idea you’ve spent so much time in the room!

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Damn, I had no idea you’ve spent so much time in the room!

Don't need to be in the room to see what's happening on the ice.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Don't need to be in the room to see what's happening on the ice.

Come on man, you questioned the lad’s compete level (something his coaches and mates say is off the charts) and you can’t claim to know his leadership w/o being close to the situation.

 

[Foggy1097]

Anyone complaining about Keller after what we’ve seen the last month or so is missing the point. He’s one of the only players on the team with consistent compete level and intensity…he needs some line mates and others on the team to pull on the rope a little harder with him. He’s only one, small, player and can only do so much.

I think what this team really needs is an Ondrej Palat type player. He was so crucial to TB during their Cup runs. We need a winger like that. A Patrice Bergeron of wingers…plays all situations and both sides of special teams, and is noticeable all over the ice even when they’re not scoring. Most of our wingers are pretty good, but a little one dimensional. Crouse is the only one really that I would consider not a one dimensional winger. That’s why this Berggren player out of DET is intriguing to me…seems like he could end up developing into a poor man’s Palat if reports on his game are accurate…

 

[Kaizen]

This is what happens when you don't address problems and make changes in any business quickly, you prolong the success that can come later, that is us.

Sounds perfect to me

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

This is a team that has made the playoffs 9 times since 1996. Made it past the first round once. ONCE! BA comes in and decides to do our first rebuild and all I hear is "he wasted a year," "we need to make the playoffs next season," "it's taking too long," etc.

You guys seem less tolerant and less patient now than ever.

 

[Jakey53]

This is a team that has made the playoffs 9 times since 1996. Made it past the first round once. ONCE! BA comes in and decides to do our first rebuild and all I hear is "he wasted a year," "we need to make the playoffs next season," "it's taking too long," etc.

You guys seem less tolerant and less patient now than ever.

Of course we are, but year 5 should be a year where you are either in the playoffs or a team is at least in the mix fighting for that wild card.

 

[Foggy1097]

BA and Co. seem like they’re doing a pretty job about being tight lipped…hardly any rumors out there at all 10 games before the deadline.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

but year 5 should be a year where you are either in the playoffs and a team is at least in the mix fighting for that wild card

Who came up with this number that standardizes how long a rebuild should take for every team and every scenario? What about when the GM has to hire an entire hockey ops staff as part of the rebuild? How long does that add?

Edit: Not having a first round pick because the last GM f'd up. How about that? How long does that add?

Two of our best prospects have KHL contracts that don't end until after next season. What's the standardized add in time to the rebuild for that?

Pretty sure BA's own timeline is not 5 years.

 

[rt]

Nashville is interesting. They seem to be steadfastly demanding a higher standard while rebuilding on the fly. They continue to be rumored to be both buyers and sellers. Seeming to want to backfill. Saros rumors persist. Probably mostly because Askarov is ready. I think if Saros goes for a big haul of assets, they’d be very interested in Vejmelka as a guy to share the net with Askarov. I don’t think they’ll view Lankinen as the guy for that job.

They continue to pop up in rumors as wanting to add scoring, too. Schmaltz is young enough to fit the timeline of retooling rather than outright rebuilding team.

 

[rt]

32T was suggesting in a Saros to LA move Nash would want a scoring forward rather than futures, as an example. This has been mentioned RE NJD too.

My thought is those teams obviously won’t want to do that. So why not Arizona making this fit?

Futures from contender to Nash for Saros. Veggie and Schmaltz to Nash for futures and Lauzon+Lankinen.

Preds get dudes under 30 with term AND open a spot for Askarov AND have plenty of net new futures remaining from the Saros trade.

 

[DustyDangler]

Of course we are, but year 5 should be a year where you are either in the playoffs or a team is at least in the mix fighting for that wild card.

Maybe in a normal rebuild.

Edit: "Rebuild" isn't even a fair word for it as it makes it sound like doing what others have done before. The Coyotes situation is completely unique...it is like an expansion team without the expansion process advantage. Closer to a build than a rebuild.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Maybe in a normal rebuild.

Yeah, this goes well beyond any normal rebuild. I just re-read what BA's own words are on the timeline from 4 months ago. I still can't find where it says "year 5" lol.

Armstrong talks status of Coyotes rebuild in Q&A with NHL.com | NHL.com

"Bill Armstrong believes there are four stages to a successful rebuild. 'We're in Phase 2 right now...'"

"Armstrong doesn't know when the Coyotes will be good enough to move into Phase 3 of the rebuild, but he's confident it will happen. He's already starting to see it. 'That's when your young players start to be good and you've got to make that step to make the playoffs," he said. "The fourth one is building that championship team and putting it on the ice. For us, it's just going in the phases.'"

Edit:
BA isn't showing any signs of pressure from ownership to get things done quickly and he seems to be doing things very patiently and calculated. The ownership knows that nothing is going to grow the team's brand until they have an Arena, even the product. I'm thinking he has all the time in the world to get a playoff caliber team on the ice, as long as it's in time for the home opener of the new arena. (That's when I'll judge the job he's done, anyways.)

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Come on man, you questioned the lad’s compete level (something his coaches and mates say is off the charts) and you can’t claim to know his leadership w/o being close to the situation.

All I know is that I've seen two games now end to end and in both of them I saw Keller looking casual with the puck, giving up on puck battles, handling the puck like it was his first time holding a stick... playing like a complimentary player rather than one who drives the play and motivates a team.

I'm not on the "trade Keller" bandwagon but I've definitely fallen off the "Oh captain, my captain" one. In all the time I've seen Keller play with the Coyotes, not once have I looked at him and thought, "This guy is the key to this team's success or failure." I think if we had a real leader in the room, we wouldn't have spent the last, what, five or six seasons going on month-long losing streaks.

But what do I know, I haven't played the game myself, I just watch it.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

I'm willing to move anyone on the main roster that's left after keeping Keller, Cooley, Guenther, Crouse, Hayton, Macelli, McBain, Durzi, Moser, and Ingram. I'd also like to see them package some of those second rounders to improve the team for next season. We don't need to make all those picks.

 

[rt]

32T was suggesting in a Saros to LA move Nash would want a scoring forward rather than futures, as an example. This has been mentioned RE NJD too.

My thought is those teams obviously won’t want to do that. So why not Arizona making this fit?

Futures from contender to Nash for Saros. Veggie and Schmaltz to Nash for futures and Lauzon+Lankinen.

Preds get dudes under 30 with term AND open a spot for Askarov AND have plenty of net new futures remaining from the Saros trade.

Nashville is interesting. They seem to be steadfastly demanding a higher standard while rebuilding on the fly. They continue to be rumored to be both buyers and sellers. Seeming to want to backfill. Saros rumors persist. Probably mostly because Askarov is ready. I think if Saros goes for a big haul of assets, they’d be very interested in Vejmelka as a guy to share the net with Askarov. I don’t think they’ll view Lankinen as the guy for that job.

They continue to pop up in rumors as wanting to add scoring, too. Schmaltz is young enough to fit the timeline of retooling rather than outright rebuilding team.

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