Post-Game Talk: Trade Deadline Day: March 7, 2025: Montreal stands pat

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Beck needs to play 18-20 in Laval. Not 10 minutes. I don’t like this at all. Honestly, if he wasn’t so important to Laval, Dauphin would be a much better option at this stage as a 2C. If the Habs make the playoffs, how is it the plan to have Beck centering that line? Not a good plan. Plus it hurts Laval for their playoffs.
Like I said not my ideal, but you should keep in mind players aren't developing much during a game, they are developing at practice. So it's not a question of in game ice time, it's a question of practicing with/against NHLers or AHLers. The main concern about NHL is confidence, because if you lose confidence you stop developing and might even regress.

As for the plan, the plan is to get our young core to play meaningful games because learning to win in must win games is a process. Winning/losing in those games is less important then the experience of going through them.
 
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So what is this arbitrary line that you are setting out that demonstrates being in the mix compared to not being in the mix? And how many points in the standings are Savard and Armia contributing that wouldn't have been possible with waiver pickups/Guhle coming back soon?

2 points out is meaningful hockey but 8 isn't?
8 is a huge number in points to make up in November let alone March..
 
good question - he did mention he played well on suzuki's wing.
I think his C playing days in Mtl are over. Maybe he becomes an elite winger;
he doesn't have the work ethic or IQ for a 200 foot game, imo
He doesn’t have the work ethic or IQ to be an elite winger either

People need to come to terms with the fact that if Dach was 6’0 and a 2nd round pick, he’d be in the AHL.
 
Please tell me how it's obvious when he said that PRIOR to the 4-nations they were talking of selling, and after those 5 games they decided not to?
The deadline is a fixed date.

You are oddly fixated on the 4 nations, when the communication all along has been that they would see how the season went and let the players/team performance dictate the approach to the deadline.

It's not the 5 games in the last 10 days that led to today, it's the 30-26-6 record and striking distance to playoff spot.

The 25 other wins is he context you seem to ignore. Had the team lost 5+ games (maybe less?) earlier in the year, the recent 5-hame win streak wouldn't have led to the same deadline approach as we would be sitting too far out of a playoff spot.

I don't know how much more obvious that could be?

Frankly, we are almonst saying the same thing. You keep saying how he is consistent, I'm just saying that those 5-game stretch aren't enough to decide which way to go.
They aren't.
It's the 30 wins, not the recent 5 games, that is driving the decision.

Boston is 2 points down for us. But they are 2-6-2 in the last 10 games. So...they decide to sell.
You seem to view team decision -makimg solely from an individual season lens. That's not how organizations run.

The Bruins prospect pool, draft capital, cap & roster situation are all important context, along with their current standings, that drove their decisions.

I mean....I guess Boston did go the direction they went ALSO based on a few games too? It happens? Whether I agree or not...it's just a matter of opinion. But isn't it also obivious that while Hughes did decide to stay put because of the last stretch, that Boston did decide to go the other way for the same reason?
Oilers lost 4 in a row coming out of 4 nation's... Why aren't they selling?

Again, you are trying to make it about a narrow 4-6 game stretch, when the reality is that the overall record is the material consideration as far as Wins & losses are concerned.
And the reward things is also curious....I don't think you really reward a group who works hard by staying put...you give them some help.
There's more nuance to real life.

Did you happen to catch Brady Tkachuk's comments today? Bet he doesn't feel like it was a "reward" to see his close friend traded even if the Sens are better set up to push for playoffs today than they were yesterday.

Yes, adding talent would, in theory, be welcomed (except by the guys who lose ice time/roster spot). But "not" seeing the team trade away active contributors for futures (like Monahan last February), is obviously a "reward" for the room. As much as everyone knows it's a business, Anderson playing through his injury isn't about his next payday... They are doing it for each other. Draft picks don't help the room, keeping teammates you are fighting alongside for this season is an obvious reward for a group that knows better than anyone else how far from a cup they currently sit.

We have 1 forward extra who can' tplay in the NHL. And unless Guhle is ready, no d-man extra unless we strip Laval from their best players.
Yup. I'd have liked to see us add a depth piece or two. No argument there.

I would have rewarded them differently.
I'd have rewarded them with Rantanen, Marchand, Jones and Laughton... But I started the season with cap and computer trade rejection on, so no dice ;)
KH is still the man to have with this team. I'M just not a fan of his deadline approach. But he will have the draft and this summer to fix things.
I'd have pushed to get Zegras trade done, added Kunin or Tanev, and maybe a depth Dman.

Who knows what deals KH was close on... Sounds like we were in on Cozens.

Bottom line, it takes two to tango and big picture the team is in a great spot.
 
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For the locker room not moving anyone is a positive, I'm sure. But I believe teams should always be looking to improve. 15 of 16 teams in the East made deadline deals. Would have thought they could have at least added a cheap depth piece or two, hopefully they don't have to raid Laval for their best players if injuries occur.
 
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yeah thought about that too. I understand doing nothing, but I was thinking about a stopgap based on who got dealt today.
Charlie Coyle maybe? Do we have a mittlestadt equivalent?
Dach was that chip but he got injured.
He certainly could've traded for a depth dman.

I think deep down he doesn't think team will make playoffs,
and he's like
show me Nick, and then I'll make summer moves accordingly
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I just personnally staying put. Not a big deal but I don't. Especially if you want to reward your group. Especially since you are so thin with your depth. Especially since you want your farm team to compete hard this year.

Unless....Sedgwick will use this upcoming week to do AHL deals.
 
So what is this arbitrary line that you are setting out that demonstrates being in the mix compared to not being in the mix? And how many points in the standings are Savard and Armia contributing that wouldn't have been possible with waiver pickups/Guhle coming back soon?

2 points out is meaningful hockey but 8 isn't?
There’s no arbitrary line or points - this is a sum of all parts team, every player in the lineup seems to clearly understand their role & seem to relish it.

When they win, it’s due to a successful team effort not McDavid or Draisaitl carrying them.

Last night was a pretty even game, 5v5.

Habs had a 49.49% xGF... high-danger chances were 6-6.

Again due to a sum of all parts effort -not because of one player…
 
Can’t finish bottom 5 every year. Getting experience of playing in meaningful games is more important to this team than drafting 3 or 4 spots higher.
not when you hang onto your shit assets though. Reminder we got Hutson by trading Petry for that pick. You have to let your dead weight go like the winning franchises do
 
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Kind of depressing to see the Habs keep on stagnating in mediocrity. Again.

We're definitely among the big losers of the day along with the Predators.

But hey, at least I can be entertained by the few fans in denial who are still waiting for "tHe BiG gEnIous Pl4N" to unfold.

Should happen anytime now. Right?
You’re out here crying they didn’t build a team at the trade deadline and you try to dunk on others 😂

The irony.
 
We already learned that, when we got our asses kicked by Tampa. We need more talent, the answer is easy. In order to get that talent, you trade future UFAs for picks, every pick matters. We should know it, since we got Hutson with a late 2nd.
Having the players you already drafted reach their potential is just as if not more valuable then getting more picks. If the choice is between Xhekaj never becoming all that reliable defensively + a 2nd round pick or Xhekaj reaching his potential and become a solid shutdown D but no extra 2nd then it's a pretty obvious choice to me.

And since I know the next response is that people will say 20 games of Savard has a small chance of influencing Xhekaj reaching that potential, then my response is that there's an even smaller chance that a late 2nd round pick ends up doing anything. So if the argument is every dart you throw at the dartboard matters no matter how small the chance of getting something good, then the same applies to development, every little thing that can help a player hit matters too.
 
There’s no arbitrary line or points - this is a sum of all parts team, every player in the lineup seems to clearly understand their role & seem to relish it.

When they win, it’s due to a successful team effort not McDavid or Draisaitl carrying them.

Last night was a pretty even game, 5v5.

Habs had a 49.49% xGF... high-danger chances were 6-6.

Again due to a sum of all parts effort -not because of one player…
So please explain why 1 win away is awesome, but 4 wins away is disastrous?

Not sure what games you've been watching, but when they win, it's because of the top line. The second line is unplayable.
 
Prediction: someone else on the team will get hurt. Anderson is just on the cusp of being shut down himself. We’ll have to call up another player from Laval and we will detail their season.
Laval is 2nd overall in the AHL, and #1 if they win their game in hand. One callup is simply not going to derail that.
 
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The long game is still the number 1 priority. Got to give it to them for sticking with the plan

Our Center and RD will have to come from the draft. Getting lucky with a free agent signing or trade is a reach.

Hage, Reinbacher, Demidov look good enough to fill high end holes. Need to add Another RD and Center
 
The deadline is a fixed date.

You are oddly fixated on the 4 nations, when the communication all along has been that they would see how the season went and let the players/team performance dictate the approach to the deadline.

It's not the 5 games in the last 10 days that led to today, it's the 30-26-6 record and striking distance to playoff spot.

The 25 other wins is he context you seem to ignore. Had the team lost 5+ games (maybe less?) earlier in the year, the recent 5-hame win streak wouldn't have led to the same deadline approach as we would be sitting too far out of a playoff spot. I don't know how much more obvious that could be?They aren't.
It's the 30 wins, not the recent 5 games, that is driving the decision.


Oilers lost 4 in a row coming out of 4 nation's... Why aren't they selling?

Again, you are trying to make it about a narrow 4-6 game stretch, when the reality is that the overall record is the material consideration as far as Wins & losses are concerned.

Did you happen to catch Brady Tkachuk's comments today? Bet he doesn't feel like it was a "reward" to see his close friend traded even if the Sens are better set up to push for playoffs today than they were yesterday.
It's really as if you are not reading or hearing what Hughes said today. Your point would be a fine point without Hughes comments. It would be a fair point if Hughes would have said that he liked our year and that the last 5 games showed that we were what he thought we were. But for the love of me, I do not understand how you can disregard his ''before the 4 nations, we were thinking of selling, but after the 4 nations we decided to reward our players based on their play''. He HIMSELF makes the difference between before and after. Not me. He does. You choose to disregard it because you think, I guess that he misspoke or that there was more to it than what he said, while I'm going solely with his words.

By the way...yes, I,m not an idiot. I do know that if we would be 0-60 and that we would have won 5 games in a row, that Hughes would not have said...those last 5 games told me we had a great group. Was never my point. Yes, we have the points we have based on the rest of the year. But why did KH said seeing where we were before the 4-nations, we started to think to sell if we actually really just 5 good games in a row to change his mind?

Oilers...I obviously don't have to tell you that the Oilers are still 2nd in their division. With really not a lot of competition there.

Tkachuk's comments? Yeah, it sucks. Then, if Sens starts winning, he'll be the first one to embrace Cozens for his solid play. And will move on. If so, are you telling me that to keep Caufield happy, we have to resign Dvo on a 8-year contract? I mean, if Dvo leaves, Caufield clearly will be devastated.
 
Some people are mad KH didn't sell his UFA
Some people are mad KH didn't buy anything

Truth is......you're all mad because you wasted your day waiting, dreaming and speculating and nothing happened.

Trade to make a trade is good for news, fans, medias but rarely ever good for the team.

I usually take a day off for TDL....didn't this year, barely followed the day cause it was obvious the Habs were in the position to do nothing.
 

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