Post-Game Talk: Trade Deadline Day: March 7, 2025: Montreal stands pat

  • Xenforo Cloud has upgraded us to version 2.3.6. Please report any issues you experience.
  • We are currently aware of "log in/security error" issues that are affecting some users. We apologize and ask for your patience as we try to get these issues fixed.
You're getting 2nds for Armia and Savard.

No one wants Dvorak.

You could have gotten Sturm for a 4th and used him to replace Armia and Guhle is back soon, so you let a guy like Trudeau get a few games in the NHL and then spots are full.

This doesn't feel like a productive use of the TDL. A late second isn't worth it at this point and we already lucked out with Hutson. Why mess with the Armia - Evans PK duo that we already know works this year ?
 
You're getting 2nds for Armia and Savard.

No one wants Dvorak.

You could have gotten Sturm for a 4th and used him to replace Armia and Guhle is back soon, so you let a guy like Trudeau get a few games in the NHL and then spots are full.
This BargainBinesque attitude from HuGo was shocking today. For a guy who sold almost anything for high picks apart Drouin, I would have thought he would have at least turned Dvo, Armia into gold. Letting them stay is bad asset management. Get the 5th rounder and use it for goons. Next year, the bottom 6 will need revamping. It's obvious Armia and Dvo are gonzos.
 
I’m ok with it. Good relations with players can have an impact on UFA signature or contract negociation (like Evans). Makes a shift in the culture for the players and we probably finish lower nonetheless without a 2nd line. Thé real work for 2C begins this summer/draft. Hoping that RFA discussions with young c of other teams won’t go well… Hugues said he had good discussion for good players with term that teams weren’t ready to part ways. There is hope
 
Hughes is no fool. If he could have maximized what he had and turned it into something that could have helped the team, he would have done it.

If he allows those UFA's to walk on July 1, what is the loss? Armia was on waivers twice, Savard needs to retire, Dvorak is a barely an NHL player and Gallagher has no value because of his contract.

Anderson is the same as Gallagher, Newhook is a 3rd liner and Laine is someone we were paid to take. Dach is a reclamation project gone wrong.

What could he have done? I would have liked a stop gap center but it must not have been available.
There was no interest for Dvo and Armia period. They got calls for Savard, but they chose to keep him for the youngsters. Anyways, you offer Savard league minimum to stay, or else let him walk. They absolutely need to reinforce the bottom six through free agency next summer with the loss of Armia and Dvo.
 
  • Like
Reactions: OldCraig71
I’m ok with it. Good relations with players can have an impact on UFA signature or contract negociation (like Evans). Makes a shift in the culture for the players and we probably finish lower nonetheless without a 2nd line. Thé real work for 2C begins this summer/draft. Hoping that RFA discussions with young c of other teams won’t go well… Hugues said he had good discussion for good players with term that teams weren’t ready to part ways. There is hope
They better not extend Armia and Dvo.
 
This doesn't feel like a productive use of the TDL. A late second isn't worth it at this point and we already lucked out with Hutson. Why mess with the Armia - Evans PK duo that we already know works this year ?
A PK duo that will help the Habs finish 14th ?

This team did nothing to increase their chances, which is 100% fine , but this team needs more assets to turn things around.

Now, as I've said in another post you're sitting here with Armia worth nothing, same with Savard.

You're not bringing Savard back and you honestly shouldn't bring Armia back, if you do there's barely any change from a team that's more than likely going to miss the playoffs again.
 
8 points isn't simply 4 wins, it's 4 wins in 4 games, where the other teams needs to be 0 points in 4 games.

Another way to look at it that gives a better perspective how big 8 points is, is that for a team to reach 100 points, they need to be 18 points over the number of games played, after 82 games. 8 points is almost half of that. Meaning it's close to the over (above ,500) a team needs in the span of 41 games, to attain 100 points.

From the perspective of pts/g, 8 points is massive. Even worst when you have limited number of games to reach it.
I disagree, but ok sure, you consider it significant. Answer me this: why do the extra 3 losses represent a catastrophic season, but if those 3 losses were actually wins, it's something to be happy about? What is this magical number outside the playoff spot that people consider to be competitive hockey? Because from my point of view, only the Pens and Sabres haven't been playing competitive hockey in the East. More importantly, how many extra points in this 20 game stretch do we get by having Armia/Savard instead of their waiver wire replacements?
 
Kypreos saying Leafs offered Cowan, Minten and two 1sts for Rantanen and were going to sign him to 8 years 13 million. Carolina decided to trade him out west because they were scared they might have ran into Toronto and Rantanen in the playoffs.

Thank the lord he was moved to Dallas. I couldn't stomach Mikko in Toronto.
 
A PK duo that will help the Habs finish 14th ?

This team did nothing to increase their chances, which is 100% fine , but this team needs more assets to turn things around.

Now, as I've said in another post you're sitting here with Armia worth nothing, same with Savard.

You're not bringing Savard back and you honestly shouldn't bring Armia back, if you do there's barely any change from a team that's more than likely going to miss the playoffs again.
But in that case what is the point of Sturm then? If you feel the team will be out of it then why waste assets rather than maximize your first round pick by being as bad as you can?

Truth is we don't really know where they'll end up as the eastern WC are weak and they'll be playing valuable playoff type games even if they don't make it. I'll also add that being in the position they're in (1 point back) is a significant improvement in just three years that merits pushing through to the end.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Miller Time
We’ll have all 3 retention slots available next year unless he retains on Gallagher or Anderson in a trade.

I’m a little disappointed he didn’t get a veteran for Laval.
The deadline for ahl is only next week, it's still possible.

The retention slot are only back after the draft, KH kept that option open.
 
Schenn who played 2 minutes less per game than Savard fetched a 2nd and a 4th and Carlo that played 1 minute more than Savard retuned Mitten and a 1st, Dumoulin that played 2 minutes more than Savard fetched a 2nd and prospects (3rd rd).
It’s fair to assume Savard is right there in terms of of value.

You can do the same comparison with Armia and the players traded at the deadline and you will see a 2nd round pick is the very least Armia was returning.

Throw in a 4th round picks this year since we have 3 and you got yourself a pretty decent return, for 2 players that should not be back, something like 2 2nd and prospect.
Schenn is sign for next year and Carlo for another 2 season.Savard value was probably a 3rd round pick.

Armia I agree like I said earlier.
 
But in that case what is the point of Sturm then? If you feel the team will be out of it then why waste assets rather than maximize your first round pick by being as bad as you can?

Truth is we don't really know where they'll end up as the eastern WC are weak and they'll be playing valuable playoff type teams. I'll also add that being in the position they're in (1 point back) is a significant improvement in just three years that merits pushing through to the end.
You get Sturm so you don't have to pull more from Laval.

If that was the case they should have acquired Sturm and sent Beck back down.

Sturm would also be a cheaper replacement for Armia who can shift over to centre and he's really good at them.

You essentially get better assets for the future, get a cheaper cap hit and save Laval from losing players.

Doing that is better than sitting there and saying you don't want to take from Laval, so you add nothing and keep Beck from Laval.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CristianoRonaldo
It's really as if you are not reading or hearing what Hughes said today
Nope. You just seem to be misunderstanding it.

. Your point would be a fine point without Hughes comments. It would be a fair point if Hughes would have said that he liked our year and that the last 5 games showed that we were what he thought we were.
Nope. He was quite clear.

But for the love of me, I do not understand how you can disregard his ''before the 4 nations, we were thinking of selling, but after the 4 nations we decided to reward our players based on their play''.
Again, your selectively ignoring the context he made quite clear.

He HIMSELF makes the difference between before and after.
You know what else was before 4 nation's... Tremblant. Where he told the team the approach for the season, an approach that he kept consistent to before and.... gasp... after the 4 nations event. That approach culminated in a decision to "reward" the teams performance by not intentionally weakening the roster in the short term by selling current assets for futures.
Simple. Clear. Very obvious. Why you remain confused is quite odd.

Not me. He does. You choose to disregard it because you think, I guess that he misspoke or that there was more to it than what he said, while I'm going solely with his words.
Nope. You're twisting his words to fit a silly narrative...
By the way...yes, I,m not an idiot. I do know that if we would be 0-60 and that we would have won 5 games in a row, that Hughes would not have said...those last 5 games told me we had a great group. Was never my point.
So what is your point...lol

Yes, we have the points we have based on the rest of the year. But why did KH said seeing where we were before the 4-nations,
Because the season paused for two weeks and the team was in a tailspin going into that break. The likes of which, had it continued after the break, would've left us too far away from a playoff spot with only 20 games left to have a realistic chance of making the playoffs.

Again, it's all quite obvious and simple. I don't think you're an idiot, but you do seem unwilling or incapable of recognizing that 10 points is a considerable variance, regardless of when it occurs. The deadline was the only hard limit, the challenge put to the players was to be in the mix heading into it. Heading into the 4 nations, it didn't look like they would be. But rather than shut the door preemptively, he stuck to his pre-season commitment, and gave the players every opportunity to "earn" the "reward" he committed to back in September.

we started to think to sell if we actually really just 5 good games in a row to change his mind?
He "thought" the same thing all along... If the players keep themselves in striking distance of the playoffs, they wouldn't "sell".
The 5 games didn't "change" his approach, they, like the other 25 wins, informed it.
Oilers...I obviously don't have to tell you that the Oilers are still 2nd in their division. With really not a lot of competition there.
Right. So place in the standings matters.

Guess what, every single game up to today contributed to where the Habs are in the standings, and where we are in the standings informed what the team did, or didn't do, today.
Simple.
Clear.
Obvious.
Tkachuk's comments? Yeah, it sucks. Then, if Sens starts winning, he'll be the first one to embrace Cozens for his solid play. And will move on. If so, are you telling me that to keep Caufield happy, we have to resign Dvo on a 8-year contract? I mean, if Dvo leaves, Caufield clearly will be devastated.
?
I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you, or how you draw these odd conclusions, but either way I think we've tapped this one out.

I think your point is misguided and poorly reasoned, even though I do agree with the preference to add depth players vs standing pat today. I don't have anything else to add. Cheers
 
  • Like
Reactions: Andrei79
A PK duo that will help the Habs finish 14th ?

This team did nothing to increase their chances, which is 100% fine , but this team needs more assets to turn things around.

Now, as I've said in another post you're sitting here with Armia worth nothing, same with Savard.

You're not bringing Savard back and you honestly shouldn't bring Armia back, if you do there's barely any change from a team that's more than likely going to miss the playoffs again.
Even ignoring the worse picks we might get from selling off players, nobody should be fuming about missing out on a 3rd on Dvorak. A 2nd is quite a worthy pick. We got our best dman from this type of move. The 2nd doesn't have to become the next Lane Hutson, hell they don't even have to get used, but it's more ammo to move up or get a competent 3C to replace Dvorak next year.

It's not a catastrophic mistake that will set the franchise back for years, but it's dogshit asset management. Now people are preaching Hughes like it was such a brilliant decision when MB would have been ridiculed for doing this exact thing. If we make the playoffs, I'll eat my words and say it's worth it, but the Sens got so much better, and the Wings and Rangers are still going for it.
 
There was no interest for Dvo and Armia period. They got calls for Savard, but they chose to keep him for the youngsters. Anyways, you offer Savard league minimum to stay, or else let him walk. They absolutely need to reinforce the bottom six through free agency next summer with the loss of Armia and Dvo.
There are plenty of Armia's and Dvo's in the league. Better yet, we can allow them to test the waters and then sign them for cheaper than they currently get.

Amazingly, this team is in the mix. There are 4-5 players that are carrying the mail. It bodes well for the future when some talent is added.
 
Hughes is no fool. If he could have maximized what he had and turned it into something that could have helped the team, he would have done it.

If he allows those UFA's to walk on July 1, what is the loss? Armia was on waivers twice, Savard needs to retire, Dvorak is a barely an NHL player and Gallagher has no value because of his contract.

Anderson is the same as Gallagher, Newhook is a 3rd liner and Laine is someone we were paid to take. Dach is a reclamation project gone wrong.

What could he have done? I would have liked a stop gap center but it must not have been available.
As I think Hughes mentioned (in a quote earlier this thread), there's really a limit to how many players you can draft, sign, and develop. Getting more picks, when we already have a lot, is not as useful as keeping the team competitive and maintaining this key period of development. Perhaps he could have made a move for a 2C, but as we saw, it would have required moving a comparable player in the other direction, on a day when buying was expensive, and nobody on this board seemed ready for that eventuality. The gift to the players was not trading anybody. That seems like a decent reward for recent efforts. I'm sure players appreciate that none among them was traded, or that hasty decisions weren't taken with prospects. I can't believe people were proposing trading Hage for a 2C. F that, I want to see Hage in a Habs jersey. I still have some patience left to see this project through.
 
  • Like
Reactions: HabbyGuy
You get Sturm so you don't have to pull more from Laval.

If that was the case they should have acquired Sturm and sent Beck back down.

Sturm would also be a cheaper replacement for Armia who can shift over to centre and he's really good at them.

You essentially get better assets for the future, get a cheaper cap hit and save Laval from losing players.

Doing that is better than sitting there and saying you don't want to take from Laval, so you add nothing and keep Beck from Laval.
In that case I would rather just add Sturm or Zetterlund. That would be my main criticism is that by keeping Beck MSL has a line that he doesn't trust. That said, Sturm is a meh 4th line C and players would notice it right away. Players know what Armia brings and none of them wants to do that shitty job along the boards or on the PK. I don't think it sends the right message to give up in the season by doing those deals.
 
Perfect deadline. A great deal for Evans, keeping the team intact for a playoff push. Good for the room, the culture and player development

Should be some fun hockey down the stretch, much rather keep the team together than add more 4th rounders.
 
I don't think we sign Pezzetta, Armia & Dvorak for next year. How many rookies will make the team next year ? Most likely Demidov and Reinbacher.

Right now we have:

Caufield-Suzuki-Slafkovsky
Demidov-????-Laine
Newhook-Dach-Anderson
Heineman-Evans-Gallagher
Extras: ??

Gone to UFA: Pezzetta, Armia & Dvorak

We badly need a 2nd line center like everyone knows.

Hutson-Guhle
Matheson-Carrier
Xhekaj-Reinbacher
Extra: Struble

Savard could be re-sign for a year with lower salary.

I would use Mailloux and a first round pick to get a second line center. Examples: Ryan Strome (ANA), even try to bring back Danault if possible,
 
That if we do poorly in those 5 games, we sell. Period. Clear. Precise. Obvious. My opinion became a fact when Hughes said it himself. But somehow, you decide to disregard what he said to fit your poorly reasoned narrative. Cheers.

If we aren't in striking distance, we sell. Like he said all along.

Glad we agree lol
 

Ad

Ad