GDT: Trade Deadline Day 2017

[Meeqs]

Can we trade for Jim Benning?

Lets not be THAT crazy haha

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Sharks are in dire need of a cup...not tomorrow but yesterday.

Agreed, and that's why they shouldn't pass up this chance to acquire Blake Comeau.

 

[Meeqs]

And Hansen is the piece that's going to put them over the top? He's really going to move the needle?

Its not like they really needed anything and extra depth never hurts.

 

[agentblack]

What really sucks is they can actually afford to do that

Us on the other hand

we cant take two steps without a 2nd falling out our pockets

 

[Meeqs]

What really sucks is they can actually afford to do that

Us on the other hand

Its all about drafting well. If the Avs keep up the emphasis on the draft and improving their AHL like Sakic has slowly been doing they will be in the same position in a few years.

 

[AvsGuy]

Didn't realize Vrbata had 46 points this year. Damn.

That's like 20-30 points less than we should be saying Damn to at this point in the season. It seems like scoring is up, why aren't players scoring more points? Parity?

I almost hope no moves are made tomorrow so that the frustration with management reaches the boiling point.

 

[Foppa2118]

Habs now with Shaw, Ott, Gallagher, and Weber. They ought to be fun to play against.

 

[dahrougem2]

That's like 20-30 points less than we should be saying Damn to at this point in the season. It seems like scoring is up, why aren't players scoring more points? Parity?

I almost hope no moves are made tomorrow so that the frustration with management reaches the boiling point.

The discrepancy on that Coyotes team is something else, though.

Vrbata leads with 46 points, then OEL has 33, and then Domi has 26.

They have a bunch of players in the 20-25 range (Goligoski, Reider, Dvorak, Martinook, Doan), but their offence is basically Radim Vrbata.

 

[dahrougem2]

The trade I'm most surprised about is the Oilers trading Brandon Davidson to Montreal for Desharnais.

Davidson didn't have nearly the value Oilers fans thought he did, that isn't the part that confuses me. It's them acquiring Desharnais which confuses me. He isn't a bottom-6 style centre, he can't win faceoffs very well, and can't play in the top-6 anymore.

What the hell did they acquire him for? It's such a weird, weird fit. With that being said watch him go out there and score 20 points in the final 20 games for Edmonton lol

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

I just don't like the blanket justifications. Any trade is worth it if they win the Cup. Any NHL player is worth more than magic beans. Etc.

It's different when the asset in question rests on the actual condition of winning the cup.

As of right now the Sharks gave up a run of the mill prospect and 4th. There's no risk on Wilsons part by changing the pick to a first on the condition they win the cup.

 

[CalderKing21]

If Sakic doesn't make a move tomorrow, he needs to go, like the day right after the season ends. Heck, everyone needs to go, McFarland, Billington, pro/amateur scouts, coaches/assistants, trainers/stick boys/concession venders/ice girls .... Everyone

Chris MacFarland is far from the issue. We have gotten better at a lot of things since he took over as assistant GM.

I think the change(albeit extremely slow in nature)to focusing on the draft and attempting to fix the issues at the minor level is a direct result of MacFarland's input.
The problem is, you cannot simply change from being unable to build via the draft into a draft and develop driven franchise overnight.

 

[Meeqs]

The discrepancy on that Coyotes team is something else, though.

Vrbata leads with 46 points, then OEL has 33, and then Domi has 26.

They have a bunch of players in the 20-25 range (Goligoski, Reider, Dvorak, Martinook, Doan), but their offence is basically Radim Vrbata.

I'm interested to see how he does. He;s always done well in Arz but not as great elsewhere. He could just be a perfect fit in Tippets system

 

[Foppa2118]

Chris MacFarland is far from the issue. We have gotten better at a lot of things since he took over as assistant GM.

I think the change(albeit extremely slow in nature)to focusing on the draft and attempting to fix the issues at the minor level is a direct result of MacFarland's input.
The problem is, you cannot simply change from being unable to build via the draft into a draft and develop driven franchise overnight.

Roy and Sakic have been talking about the importance of making the minor league team competitive, and letting their prospects grow together down there since day 1. EV was more of a Roy guy than a MacFarland guy also.

The most obvious contributions with MacFarland's name on them are Bednar, Bodnarchuk, Goloubef, and Tyutin, and they're nothing to write home about. Even if he's responsible for some of the other decisions, there haven't really been any good ones since he took over.

 

[Meeqs]

The trade I'm most surprised about is the Oilers trading Brandon Davidson to Montreal for Desharnais.

Davidson didn't have nearly the value Oilers fans thought he did, that isn't the part that confuses me. It's them acquiring Desharnais which confuses me. He isn't a bottom-6 style centre, he can't win faceoffs very well, and can't play in the top-6 anymore.

What the hell did they acquire him for? It's such a weird, weird fit. With that being said watch him go out there and score 20 points in the final 20 games for Edmonton lol

They always wanted a 3rd line Center for him and he was probably the one they liked the most. Its unfortunate because the Avs probably wanted him but the MTL deal is better than Grigs, Mitchel or Colborne were

 

[Meeqs]

Chris MacFarland is far from the issue. We have gotten better at a lot of things since he took over as assistant GM.

I think the change(albeit extremely slow in nature)to focusing on the draft and attempting to fix the issues at the minor level is a direct result of MacFarland's input.
The problem is, you cannot simply change from being unable to build via the draft into a draft and develop driven franchise overnight.

Yup pretty much. The NHL isn't like the NFL where you can rebuild in 2-3 years if you do everything well. It takes 5-7 years in the NHL. Granted like in both if you don't do it right you just spin your tires (like pre Sakic).

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Chris MacFarland is far from the issue. We have gotten better at a lot of things since he took over as assistant GM.

I think the change(albeit extremely slow in nature)to focusing on the draft and attempting to fix the issues at the minor level is a direct result of MacFarland's input.
The problem is, you cannot simply change from being unable to build via the draft into a draft and develop driven franchise overnight.

How exactly have the Avs changed to focus on building through the draft? They have not stock piled picks and continue to sign players to insane contracts on July 1st.

 

[The Kingslayer]

I wanna wake up as happy as Dorion tommorow.

 

[Meeqs]

I wanna wake up as happy as Dorion tommorow.

Ignorance is bliss and that guy is on cloud 9

 

[CalderKing21]

How exactly have the Avs changed to focus on building through the draft? They have not stock piled picks and continue to sign players to insane contracts on July 1st.

Look at how the Avs handled the off-season this year vs previous ones.
Usually the Avs would throw out crazy deals and sign guys like Iginla, attempt to sign Orpik and etc on big and bad deals.

They signed more bargain related deals this time around.

The past 2 drafts have been quite a change in terms of where they spent their draft capital and how they spent it.

We drafted guys from multiple leagues and areas, we sent guys to the NCAA and not just with their junior teams. We've overhauled the AHL staff and attempted to bring them closer to the style of play envisioned by the Avs big club and focused on improving the team as a whole while pushing prospects into the fold as well.

This is very similar to when the Yankees sought to make prospect development a priority and build from within. They revamped a lot of their minor league staffs and systems and slowly figured out what was wrong and why and gradually increased their focus on finding players.

Which things are you referring to?

AHL coaching staff and approach.

Intent to develop prospects and how they go about it.

Drafting from multiple leagues and areas instead of just North American ones.

There is a definite change in how the Avs have done business since MacFarland came over. It's slow but it's noticeable.

 

[Foppa2118]

AHL coaching staff and approach.

Intent to develop prospects and how they go about it.

Drafting from multiple leagues and areas instead of just North American ones.

There is a definite change in how the Avs have done business since MacFarland came over. It's slow but it's noticeable.

Really have to disagree. The emphasis drafting and development, as well as Europe and other leagues outside the OHL started before MacFarland, and I think EV was more Roy's recommendation.

Also the bargain deals you mentioned in your other post aren't really a new thing either unfortuantely. That's been their solution for like a decade now.

 

[linusandvarlamov]

I woke up this morning and still nothing so ...

At least now I know I won't have to wake up to any surprises; last day of the trade deadline: I can witness whatever Sakic does (if he does do anything) live.

 

[Tweaky]

Welp, with the deals so far, I am torn about who to root for. Chicago and Oduya, or Caps for Ovi and Shatty (and one of my best buds here is a long suffering Caps fan). Only things that might change that is if Duchene, Landy or Iggy get moved...and Iggy only to a team I already like. And honestly, I may root against a trade partner just to try to improve the pick.

Here's to hoping I have something to think about

 

[Foppa2118]

I woke up this morning and still nothing so ...

At least now I know I won't have to wake up to any surprises; last day of the trade deadline: I can witness whatever Sakic does (if he does do anything) live.

 

[Miri]

If Sakic doesn't make a move tomorrow, he needs to go, like the day right after the season ends. Heck, everyone needs to go, McFarland, Billington, pro/amateur scouts, coaches/assistants, trainers/stick boys/concession venders/ice girls .... Everyone

 

[JoemAvs]

I would be fine with cleaning house completely. Fire everyone.

But that is not realistic.

And MacFarland is probably the guy I have the least problems with given that he actually has a proven track record that qualifies him somewhat for this job (does not mean that he is good at it but still) and he got there on "merit" and not on having some kind of connection to the glory days....


At this point I would be happy if they clean house right now. Today. Would even accept doing nothing at the deadline today in exchange....



This mess is just too huge to let the guy clean it up that created it even if he seems to have understood how moronic he acted...

Oh well..

Won't happen so hopefully this deadline for once does not make me want to curse the day I fell for the burgundy and blue...