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HUSH10 said:
Are you talking about me or who I heard it from?
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I quoted the wrong poster lol my bad

The Hickory Stick guy, literally creates his account 2 months ago and is now spouting off as though he is the new OHLInsiders
Hickory Stick said:
The Peterborough deal should be announced today or no later than tomorrow morning based on what I am hearing. Don't think it will be the SOO though. I think it is done but who really knows.
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bobber said:
Who are you hearing this from? Silence of the Lambs so far.
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Everyone I reached out keep telling me that Virgilio is gone , won’t be surprised if he doesnt return to the Soo but that’s it.

The one thing that I can say with 100% certainty is the team itself ( Soo ) will never leak anything. Extremely tight lipped crew, and small crew.
 
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OMG67 said:
I still say it was a reckless trade. That said, the Sting were in a good position and they have been so inept at closing the door in the past. Maybe that pressure overrides rational thought.
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“Reckless” is an understatement of how terribly misguided that deal was.

It’d be the equivalent if the Soo traded Brady Martin and a 2nd round pick for Owen Beck.

Or if London traded Sam Dickinson and a 2nd rounder for Beck.

Would either fan base advocate for those deals?
 
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HF92 said:
Everyone I reached out keep telling me that Virgilio is gone , won’t be surprised if he doesnt return to the Soo but that’s it.

The one thing that I can say with 100% certainty is the team itself ( Soo ) will never leak anything. Extremely tight lipped crew, and small crew.
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Not much leaking going on this year so far. Asking prices because of the Mem Cup must make the deals harder to complete. The dam will break soon.
 
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OMG67 said:
Again, all logical thoughts.

I now it is also more team specific So it isn’t always clear because what one team needs may not match what the perceived top players provide.

I don’t want to get into a discussion on this point but I would suggest Mintyukov was more impactful than DelMaestro and Morrison was a better centre at the OHL level and carried an OHL MVP from the previous season, so from my perspective, I think the 67’s acquired the best two player punch. Although, if we were to stretch it out longer, Othman, Beck and the combination of Hayes and White were the overall most impactful moves and I guess that was proven with their Championship win. I only point this out because I am trying to frame the argument that the Sting didn’t acquire the best players. Maybe the best players for them, but if we use the best players for them argument, that means they needed specific players as opposed to jsut outright snagging the best to put them over the top. They needed those two players to give them a Chance. The claim I am making is if you are going to trade a player like Martone, you have to be the clear leader prior to the trade. You are making that deal to seal the deal, not position yourself better. I think that is the clear distinction I am trying to make when I criticize the trade.

Martone is one of the most impactful players in the OHL right now as a 17 year old. Of course most knew he would likely be that player but many said the same about JVV and JVV is not on the same plane right now. I would accept the argument that you never know what the player would turn out to be but you know exactly what DelBel and DelMaestro were. I can also accept the argument that if that wasn’t the right time for the sting, what was the right time for that franchise? I can get behind the reasons why they did it. I feel like a more disciplined GM wouldn’t have done it, nor should they have done it.
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Yeah, we disagree Mintyukov- Morrison (15-2,3,4 picks for import/OA) vs DelMastro-DelBelBelluz.
The sting had a PP of Pastjuov-Burke-Voit-Kyrou prior to the break. It was roster worthy of adding DelMastro & DelBelBelluz to put it over the top imo.
 
dirty12 said:
Yeah, we disagree Mintyukov- Morrison (15-2,3,4 picks for import/OA) vs DelMastro-DelBelBelluz.
The sting had a PP of Pastjuov-Burke-Voit-Kyrou prior to the break. It was roster worthy of adding DelMastro & DelBelBelluz to put it over the top imo.
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No, I agree. It was team specific needs filling for sure. But, that was my overall point. What Ottawa did was also need specific filling holes. Ottawa stopped short of putting themselves over the top. Hindsight always skews perception so take this with a grain of salt, but we did discuss last year that Ottawa stopped short. Ottawa had the assets to be the team I am suggesting, a team that could have gone over the top. They didn’t. But, had they done it and moved Mews for Wright and added one more key player, it would have been the Peterborough version of going over the top but separating themselves from the pack Instead of maintaining pace with the pack.

It was unfortunate luck that Boucher was injured a couple games after the deadline and missed the remainder of the season and Morrison was hampered with an injury that prevented him from extending his season after the OHL playoffs but those are the breaks in hockey. Sometimes it doesn’t go your way. But assuming those two injuries don’t happen and the 67’s added Wright and a player like Zito or Savard and really went after it, we’d be having a different conversation. The Sarnia trade would have looked even worse.
 
Babs716 said:
I mean they’ve got an OA spot available for Mayer…and Lardis would get his speedy centreman… 🤷🏻‍♀️
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Goes against the posts that said Beck is a gamer and wants to win a championship this year though :naughty:


For those who don’t know ^ this is a joke. A joke. Not trolling. A joke. Don’t report me and get me banned for having a sense of humour thanks. Hhahahs
 
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OMG, correct me if I am wrong but last year were you not advocating for Morrison over Wright for reasons the price for Wright you did not like and you were not sure Wright could carry the team to the OHL championship? Accept my apologies if I am wrong.
 
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Team Canada members being traded in WHL. Savoie and Geekie in two separate deals where Wenatchee receive 4 first round picks, 27 players , some other picks, a partridge in a pear tree and the Moose Jaw mascot
 
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zaluty said:
OMG, correct me if I am wrong but last year were you not advocating for Morrison over Wright for reasons the price for Wright you did not like and you were not sure Wright could carry the team to the OHL championship? Accept my apologies if I am wrong.
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That is accurate. I had Morrison over Wright, not just because of cost but I felt that there were questions about Wright. However, the key point was that Ottawa had the open OA spot and Morrison would be cheaper.

All that said, I am using Wright as a placeholder. We could have inserted DelMaestro, DelBel or Beck etc. The point I am making with respect to the Sarnia deal is like Ottawa, they only got to a point where they were with the pack or maybe slightly above the pack. I could get behind Ottawa trading Mews for Wright IF they also did the other deals they made because it would put them over the top. I would not have been happy of they traded for Wright and used Mews to do it and left Morrison on the board untouched with a bundle of picks still in the closet. Essentially, that is what Sarnia did. They didn’t make the additional moves to put them over the top To make losing Martone worth it.

We knew the Petes losing JVV wasn’t that big of a deal because it would be likely the return they were to get this year at the deadline would wash a lot of that cost last year away.

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Team Canada members being traded in WHL. Savoie and Geekie in two separate deals where Wenatchee receive 4 first round picks, 27 players , some other picks, a partridge in a pear tree and the Moose Jaw mascot
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Pft….. I wouldn’t have given up a ball of used soap chips for those guys….
 
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WHL is wild with their trades, Wenatchee just traded two players for a whole drafts worth of picks and then some...
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