GDT: Trade and Free agent Rumours thread | Chayka off-season edition

[Americanadian]

I take Rinzel+4 from Chicago.
there is a chance Ried drops to 4
1. McKenna
2. Sten
3. Malhotra
3. Ried

Too much smoke (rightfully) around Vancouver not taking Malhotra anymore. It appears right now it will go:
1. McKenna
2. Stenberg
3. Reid
4. ?
5. Malhotra
6. Bjorck

 

[Americanadian]

Trying to get Shane Wright is one thing. But I’d have to question the sanity of someone trying to get Shane Wright back 33% of the return for Knies.

That's true. I can't believe 25% of the return for Brady Tkachuk was a 2027 2nd. Even the Matthew Tkachuk trade was 25% Cole Schwindt.

1/3 of the pieces are Shane Wright. The other 2/3 hold more weight. Hopefully that clears it up for you.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Too much smoke (rightfully) around Vancouver not taking Malhotra anymore. It appears right now it will go:
1. McKenna
2. Stenberg
3. Reid
4. ?
5. Malhotra
6. Bjorck

if SJ is reportedly taking Reid at 2, and then Van at 3 decides between Malholtra and Stenberg, they take Malholtra? If Stenberg is available at 4OA that Chicago package may be tempting.

 

[RuudeDog]

Yes, I can confirm he is hoping for a fresh start. Just hasn't worked in Seattle and would enjoy playing in his hometown. Leafs have seldom found young guys with lots of upside in a bad situation. They need to address their center position (especially if 34 walks).

Wright is young with some upside. At worst a solid 3. Likely an above average 2nd line center even if he hasn't shown it yet.

 

[Americanadian]

if SJ is reportedly taking Reid at 2, and then Van at 3 decides between Malholtra and Stenberg, they take Malholtra? If Stenberg is available at 4OA that Chicago package may be tempting.

The smoke out there is VAN is smart enough to not draft the rookie coaches son. If Reid goes 2, Stenberg likely goes 3.

 

[RuudeDog]

Would you do:

Wright + 7th OA + 2027 top 5 protected 1st?

that would be interesting. Leafs get a potential 2nd line center and use the 7th to draft one of the D or maybe even Bjork. More of a futures trade, but at least is in the mold of what I would expect for Knies. Anything around an aging player like Trochek, Parayko etc would be brutal.

 

[dubplatepressure]

The smoke out there is VAN is smart enough to not draft the rookie coaches son. If Reid goes 2, Stenberg likely goes 3.

ahh I see - must have misread that. So consensus is likely McKenna, Reid, Sten, Carels/Malholtra.

 

[Machinae]

So how does this guy get a 1st+2nd:

And this guy is worth nothing:

 

[Americanadian]

ahh I see - must have misread that. So consensus is likely McKenna, Reid, Sten, Carels/Malholtra.

Yes. Chicago likely takes a D over Malhotra because they are set down the middle with Bedard/Frondell and Malhotra isn't seen as a better prospect than Smits/Carels. Very likely if it plays out that way Chicago trades the pick (for Knies or dark horse Kyle Connor).

 

[dubplatepressure]

So how does this guy get a 1st+2nd:
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And this guy is worth nothing:
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Bad GM. Already been beaten to death. Lets move on.

 

[Americanadian]

So how does this guy get a 1st+2nd:
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And this guy is worth nothing:
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Samoskevich has much better defensive impacts, he's a RS RW which is significantly more scarce, he's bigger and he's younger. Mackie is much more likely to carve out a career as a good 3rd liner than Nick.

 

[Twine Tickler]

One of the terms John Chayka used with respect to our current roster was "latent upside". As in, there is potential on the current roster that either has room to develop or underperformed to their potential. I think that is a fairly accurate assessment with respect to last years team. Almost every player underperformed with respect to their potential, and I expect, if nothing else were to change, we could expect improvement in the overall results.

That "latent upside" also has me wondering what potential targets around the NHL that fill that same mold. We filled a major need on the back end already, but we really could use an upgrade at the 2C position for the foreseeable future. JT is still highly effective, but we need to expect regression is just around the corner.

A player that fits the latent upside demo that I believe could be had would be Shane Wright. This is clearly a player who has underperformed to expectation thus far in his career, but he still has plenty of room to grow. I also think when you look a bit closer at the Seattle roster, and see fellow "blue chip" prospect Matty Beneirs fail to do anything close to what was originally projected of him, you start to see the potential flaw in Seattle as an organization at developing their prospects. The Kraken have had 16 of their 41 picks since becoming a franchise be within the top 2 rounds of the NHL draft, and they essentially have nothing of note to show for it. Is it possible this is a franchise that struggles to develop talent? similar to NYR?

Shane Wright and/Matty Beneirs may not be the players everyone thought the would become, but they aren't the players they presently are IMO.

This will rub a lot of people the wrong way, but I actually think there is just too much smoke on the Matthew Knies front to ignore. I also look back at the blueprint episode (season 11 episode 5) featuring Matthew Knies, and it shows him routinely eating on the road with Benoit, Woll, and McMann. All of which are no longer on our roster. Not suggesting he doesn't have any other buddies on the team, but I imagine with the flurry of rumors, report of a failed trade attempt, and the departure of his buddies, he may be less than completely content.

I am curious if a deal like this could work:

To TOR: Shane Wright, 2026 7th overall pick, 2027 1st round pick (whichever of the 2 they have ends up worse)
To SEA: Matthew Knies, Morgan Reilly

We could then use the 2x 2027 1st round picks as currency to improve our roster in other ways.

I don't typically take much away from the Steve Dangle Podcast, but one thing they noted that absolutely needs to be addressed is the lack of right shooting players in our forward group. Wright is a RH shooter, and an ideal candidate to fill a 2C role. The 7th overall selection allows you to select one of whoever is left between Malhotra, Carels, Reid, Verhoff, and Bjork. Hell even Tynan Lawrence is creating a bit of buzz as well.

To me , Wright represents a similar upside to what Pavel Zacha presented to the bruins when they acquired him. Clearly mishandled asset in NJ, who immediately finds a role in top 6 in BOS. To me, I see that as a very realistic outcome for Wright, with a potentially higher ceiling outcome.

 

[Vince Young]

Bad GM. Already been beaten to death. Lets move on.

maybe show them that and we can get Shane Wright for him!

 

[SprDaVE]

So how does this guy get a 1st+2nd:
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And this guy is worth nothing:
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Zito = good GM.

Treliving = bad GM.

Botterill = bad GM.

Chayka = TBD

 

[Buckley]

So how does this guy get a 1st+2nd:
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And this guy is worth nothing:
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Because stats aren't everything.

 

[showtime8]

ahh I see - must have misread that. So consensus is likely McKenna, Reid, Sten, Carels/Malholtra.

Seems to be that way, but your guess is as good as mine. But I'm wondering how much of a difference there is between Reid & Verhoeff. Reid seems to be more of a dynamic offensive dman, but they are both in the top 10 projected for a reason.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Seems to be that way, but your guess is as good as mine. But I'm wondering how much of a difference there is between Reid & Verhoeff. Reid seems to be more of a dynamic offensive dman, but they are both in the top 10 projected for a reason.

From what I've read Verhoeff dropping to 6-9 range isn't so much a case of his stock dropping as "others rising". I don't really know what the difference is, but it reminds me a bit of Lilly dropping from a top-5 to a 15-20 pick. Not that they share any other similarities.

 

[SprDaVE]

Because stats aren't everything.

Seattle completely overpaid for a pretty average player with a bit of upside because they are desperate to improve. Zito took advantage of that. It's that simple.

 

[Apex Predator]

Seattle completely overpaid because they are desperate to improve. Zito took advantage of that. It's that simple.

This right here.

 

[Stephen]

That's true. I can't believe 25% of the return for Brady Tkachuk was a 2027 2nd. Even the Matthew Tkachuk trade was 25% Cole Schwindt.

1/3 of the pieces are Shane Wright. The other 2/3 hold more weight. Hopefully that clears it up for you.

If only other fanbases and teams were so eager to ship their good stuff to us for all our mediocre pieces.

 

[Twine Tickler]

One of the terms John Chayka used with respect to our current roster was "latent upside". As in, there is potential on the current roster that either has room to develop or underperformed to their potential. I think that is a fairly accurate assessment with respect to last years team. Almost every player underperformed with respect to their potential, and I expect, if nothing else were to change, we could expect improvement in the overall results.

That "latent upside" also has me wondering what potential targets around the NHL that fill that same mold. We filled a major need on the back end already, but we really could use an upgrade at the 2C position for the foreseeable future. JT is still highly effective, but we need to expect regression is just around the corner.

A player that fits the latent upside demo that I believe could be had would be Shane Wright. This is clearly a player who has underperformed to expectation thus far in his career, but he still has plenty of room to grow. I also think when you look a bit closer at the Seattle roster, and see fellow "blue chip" prospect Matty Beneirs fail to do anything close to what was originally projected of him, you start to see the potential flaw in Seattle as an organization at developing their prospects. The Kraken have had 16 of their 41 picks since becoming a franchise be within the top 2 rounds of the NHL draft, and they essentially have nothing of note to show for it. Is it possible this is a franchise that struggles to develop talent? similar to NYR?

Shane Wright and/Matty Beneirs may not be the players everyone thought the would become, but they aren't the players they presently are IMO.

This will rub a lot of people the wrong way, but I actually think there is just too much smoke on the Matthew Knies front to ignore. I also look back at the blueprint episode (season 11 episode 5) featuring Matthew Knies, and it shows him routinely eating on the road with Benoit, Woll, and McMann. All of which are no longer on our roster. Not suggesting he doesn't have any other buddies on the team, but I imagine with the flurry of rumors, report of a failed trade attempt, and the departure of his buddies, he may be less than completely content.

I am curious if a deal like this could work:

To TOR: Shane Wright, 2026 7th overall pick, 2027 1st round pick (whichever of the 2 they have ends up worse)
To SEA: Matthew Knies, Morgan Reilly

We could then use the 2x 2027 1st round picks as currency to improve our roster in other ways.

I don't typically take much away from the Steve Dangle Podcast, but one thing they noted that absolutely needs to be addressed is the lack of right shooting players in our forward group. Wright is a RH shooter, and an ideal candidate to fill a 2C role. The 7th overall selection allows you to select one of whoever is left between Malhotra, Carels, Reid, Verhoff, and Bjork. Hell even Tynan Lawrence is creating a bit of buzz as well.

To me , Wright represents a similar upside to what Pavel Zacha presented to the bruins when they acquired him. Clearly mishandled asset in NJ, who immediately finds a role in top 6 in BOS. To me, I see that as a very realistic outcome for Wright, with a potentially higher ceiling outcome.

To exapnd on this,

We would clear significant cap to potentially make a real run at Alex Tuch, who I have long believed to be a perfect fit for our roster, and an ideal replacement for a Matthew Knies. An opening night top 9 could look something like:

McKenna - Matthews - Nylander
Cowan - Wright - Tuch
Robertson - Tavares - XXXXXXX

Keep in mind Domi is not included for obvious reasons

To me, that is a significant improvement over last season

 

[Rare Jewel]

So how does this guy get a 1st+2nd:
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And this guy is worth nothing:
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As any wife or tailor can attest, 2 inches can make a world of difference.

 

[Americanadian]

If only other fanbases and teams were so eager to ship their good stuff to us for all our mediocre pieces.

Yes - the mediocre 7OA. The mediocre future 1st. Basically nothing assets.

 

[HockeyVirus]

if SJ is reportedly taking Reid at 2, and then Van at 3 decides between Malholtra and Stenberg, they take Malholtra? If Stenberg is available at 4OA that Chicago package may be tempting.

Personally no interest in having 2 top 5 picks and drafting 2 wingers. McKenna is the BPA then take him after that I want a center or D

 

[Buckley]

Seattle completely overpaid for a pretty average player with a bit of upside because they are desperate to improve. Zito took advantage of that. It's that simple.

Or maybe Samoskevich just has more value than a guy like Robertson.