Martin Skoula
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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread
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Dreakmur
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No, they could not have done that. They would have had to protect Rielly, Muzzin, Brodie, and Weegar on defense, which means they could only protect 4 forwards. Obviously, they’d protect Matthews, Marner, Tavares, and Nylanser, which would leave McCanm exposed.
I was pretty vocal about thinking they were dumb for protecting Holl, but that doesn’t change the expansion rules. You can only protect so many guys, and acquiring Weegar along with McCann would have left many more guys exposed.
I was just talking about McCaan vs Kerfoot/Holl.
The same as it is now.
The point was
McCaan>Kerfoot
Hyman>>>Ritchie
Bogosian>Holl
for only 1.25 million more
Just a little rant here.
Reading anything from an Oilers fan right now is brutal. Most of them are so f***ing full of themselves.
They still have no goaltending. I can't see how that tandem will carry them anywhere in the long run.
Same ol same ol... same ol... take away McDavid, and Drai and they're a bottom feeder.
Also their division is probably the worst in the NHL.
Sorry probably wrong thread but had to get that out
Reading anything from an Oilers fan right now is brutal. Most of them are so f***ing full of themselves.
They still have no goaltending. I can't see how that tandem will carry them anywhere in the long run.
Same ol same ol... same ol... take away McDavid, and Drai and they're a bottom feeder.
Also their division is probably the worst in the NHL.
Sorry probably wrong thread but had to get that out
BertCorbeau
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Let them build that glass house! We’ve been down that road if faulty hopes and know how crushing it can be. Just be patient and it will be fantastic when it all comes crashing down.
Mickey Marner
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Perhaps they're cocky, but this is the best Oilers team of the McDavid era. I think they're the second best team in the division, behind Vegas, but I also thought we'd go to the semis last year and the Habs beat both us and Vegas. So what do I know.
BertCorbeau
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That’s not saying much though.
Honestly the whole Western conference seems weak.
They're definitely better, I'm not denying that. Some of their fans are ridiculous on the main boards though.
They actually have a 2nd line now, but again everyone knows where the offense runs from. Same with the powerplay. If those guys aren't there it'd be rough.
Being second in that division wouldn't say a whole lot.
McDavid is a hell of a player but if you shut him down in the playoffs or his line... you have a good chance right away.
See last year's playoffs.
"Ended up in a position"? The only reason we were able to trade for McCann in the first place was because of the expansion draft, where everybody lost somebody "for nothing". That's the point of an expansion draft. McCann was always being taken by Seattle. The only question was who were they taking him from. What we really lost from the expansion draft was Hallander.
I love Hyman, but if he was looking for a 7-8yr deal, I'm fine with him walking.
The Podium
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In hindsight, maybe exposing Holl and going 7-3 was the move. However, I think we will appreciate having defensive depth as the season goes on.
However, McCann wouldnt be getting top line, PP1 duties here and his stats likely look a lot different.
The Podium
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According to Friedmans 32 thoughts podcast, Hyman wouldnt accept a deal without a full NMC. That was the biggest hangup in a deal with Toronto.
The dollars being thrown at defensemen this offseason should have put to bed the idea that exposing our only NHL-level right-handed D, who was part of a highly effective defensive pairing last year, signed to a good deal, was any kind of viable option. People are comparing McCann's small sample playing above what he is, to Holl's small sample playing well below what he is. You're absolutely right that we're going to need defensive depth as the season goes on. McCann was available for a Hallander level prospect for a reason.
I get that McCann was technically in the org for a couple days, but he's not even the whatif that I'd use a super short sample to get unreasonably upset about. I wanted Danton Heinen, but thought it would have to be at Ritchie money, at 1.1 I have to hope that we were in but he didn't want to come to Toronto.
ACC1224
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Protecting Holl was always a mistake, they wouldn't have taken him anyway. Not the end of the world and Dubas has made so many mistakes that this one doesn't rank very high.
it’s funny how everyone hates dubas. But in order to get the “best team of the Mcdavid era”. All they had to do was sign 3 leafs. At double the price dubas paid.
i thought the same. From everything Arizona fans said. He pretty much packed up and quit last year. Like didn’t want to play at all. Never really watched though
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McCaan is their #1C ...here, he'd likely be C on line 4, or playing the wing.
getting the most icetime, all the PP time and the best wingers, and used as a main offensive player will tend to get you more points, but, its still and 8 game sample. lets see if he has a Karlsson breakout season (that he never came close to repeating) of he just goes back to being the 'meh' player he really is ...i'd still expect a career high season because he's used in the #1C role, but, that could just as easily been Kerfoot with the same opportunity, since over their careers Kerfoot has actually shown more than McCaan has
McCaan
| NHL Totals | 361 | 69 | 93 | 162 |
Kerfoot
| NHL Totals | 287 | 53 | 87 | 140 |
McCaan does score more goals
Kinda like Matt Stajan having a couple big years for us when we had no other options, someone is going to play top line, top PP and get some points even if they are really more of a 3rd liner or complimentary 2nd liner.
2008/09 - 76GP, 55pts
2009/10 - 82GP, 57pts
he was a nice complimentary player and if you read into those point totals as a 24/25 YO you'd think he was going to be a lot more than that. His high in points after that was 33.
The Podium
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They very easily take Holl if exposed… like with 99.9% certainty.
If we went 7-3 the only other option was Engvall.
Fogelhund
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The other challenge being, who do you replace him with? Look at what D went for this off season...
HolyCrap
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Yeah they are brutal. That’s about all I can say as they frequent this board and will report me. It’s that sad. Lol
SeaOfBlue
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They could have taken Dermott, since he is the better defender, but I am sure the attractiveness of a RHD like Holl at that price could have enticed them too.
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