GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - Training camp approaches

[LeafChief]

Without a signed contract, Rielly should have been traded at the draft.

If he walks as a UFA that would be quite pathetic.

 

[Dreakmur]

Without a signed contract, Rielly should have been traded at the draft.

If he walks as a UFA that would be quite pathetic.

You don’t trade your best defenseman for futures when you’re t trying to win the cup.

It’s unfortunate that we have cap issues, but it’s foolish to toss away this season.

 

[Walshy7]

They will. I read somewhere if a team suspends a player for not vaccinating the team suspends that player than they get cap relief for doing so

If it wouldn't be such a bad blow to their public image, imagine Stamkos or Hedman not getting vaccinated until the playoffs lool


Bill Daly NHL Cap Charge unvaccinated players - TSN.ca

But only 10-15 players aren't vaccinated so doubt any big time player on a contending team would be able to be used to take advantage of this rule

surely if he cant play in canada then he cant play at all, they cant suspend him for every canadian trip and then get cap relief to call up a player with that relief. This is their problem not any other NHL teams, if their player isnt willing to get something done either suspend him the entire season or he gets vax.

 

[LeafChief]

You don’t trade your best defenseman for futures when you’re t trying to win the cup.

It’s unfortunate that we have cap issues, but it’s foolish to toss away this season.

I must have missed the part of my post where I said futures.

Also must have missed the part of my post where I said no other moves could be made one Rielly was traded. Thanks!

 

[Gabriel426]

I must have missed the part of my post where I said futures.

Also must have missed the part of my post where I said no other moves could be made one Rielly was traded. Thanks!

But thats the rule, you are not allow to make more than ONE trade per season. lol

 

[ToneDog]

You don’t trade your best defenseman for futures when you’re t trying to win the cup.

It’s unfortunate that we have cap issues, but it’s foolish to toss away this season.

Do you think they have a realistic chance to win the Cup given they have question marks in goal, on LW, forward depth and their 3rd D pairing ?? The time to move Rielly to get max return was at the draft when GMs were overpaying for top dmen.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Do you think they have a realistic chance to win the Cup given they have question marks in goal, on LW, forward depth and their 3rd D pairing ?? The time to move Rielly to get max return was at the draft when GMs were overpaying for top dmen.

The goaltending is fine provided we can be average defenseively, and we were above average last year.

The LW and forward depth is only a question mark because there are so many guys competing for spots. The depth is fantastic, where they slot will depend on their play.

The defense is bascially the same as last year with Liljegren taking Bogosians spot. Should be an upgrade provided he continues to develop with NHL minutes. If he and Sandin can't handle a role you have Dahlstrom and Biega who can stop gap a 6th spot until you can make a trade.

 

[ToneDog]

The goaltending is fine provided we can be average defenseively, and we were above average last year.

The LW and forward depth is only a question mark because there are so many guys competing for spots. The depth is fantastic, where they slot will depend on their play.

The defense is bascially the same as last year with Liljegren taking Bogosians spot. Should be an upgrade provided he continues to develop with NHL minutes. If he and Sandin can't handle a role you have Dahlstrom and Biega who can stop gap a 6th spot until you can make a trade.

Our LW was weak with Hyman last year and it is why they wanted to bring in a top 6 LWer. They have quantity on the left side but I am not sold on the quality. Lily over Bogo is most likely not an upgrade IMO. IMO we need to see this group on the ice for 20 games to see what it is made of.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The goaltending is fine provided we can be average defenseively, and we were above average last year.

The LW and forward depth is only a question mark because there are so many guys competing for spots. The depth is fantastic, where they slot will depend on their play.

The defense is bascially the same as last year with Liljegren taking Bogosians spot. Should be an upgrade provided he continues to develop with NHL minutes. If he and Sandin can't handle a role you have Dahlstrom and Biega who can stop gap a 6th spot until you can make a trade.

Menell as well, and guys like Duszak, Rubins, and Hollowell have to be knocking on the door this year if they expect to have a good chance of sticking around in the organization past their current contracts.

If the Leafs were really that concerned about the 3RD spot, they would have brought in Demers or Vatanen on PTO's instead of (or on top of) Gusev and Ho-Sang, who have a very slim chance of making the Leafs' roster given how many wingers they have ahead of them right now.

 

[justashadowof]

Our LW was weak with Hyman last year and it is why they wanted to bring in a top 6 LWer. They have quantity on the left side but I am not sold on the quality. Lily over Bogo is most likely not an upgrade IMO. IMO we need to see this group on the ice for 20 games to see what it is made of.

I'm not convinced that Liljegren plays this season. Maybe they'll try to force the matter. I suspect that both Mennell and Biega are better than the slow developer at this point. A defenseman who still freezes like a deer in the headlights should not be expedited to NHL time no matter where he got drafted. It doesn't serve the player as well as the team.

 

[Dreakmur]

Do you think they have a realistic chance to win the Cup given they have question marks in goal, on LW, forward depth and their 3rd D pairing ?? The time to move Rielly to get max return was at the draft when GMs were overpaying for top dmen.

If we don’t have a shot this year, we never will with this group.

 

[Dreakmur]

I must have missed the part of my post where I said futures.

Also must have missed the part of my post where I said no other moves could be made one Rielly was traded. Thanks!

What should we have done? Please be specific.

 

[Menzinger]

Minny didn't really have any leverage in that negotiation.

Regardless their cap situation is pretty dire ...Seems like they'll be trending in mediocrity for awhile.

The dual buyouts of Suter and Parise are going to haunt them for ages.

I will say though, I do think Kaprizov is the real deal. The type of star player they've been trying to have since their first season

 

[Kiwi]

What should we have done? Please be specific.

Made this decision months ago?

I'm getting pretty sick and tired of procrastinating over something we can see coming for years yet we do absolutely nothing about it then throw our hands up because we've finally run out of options

We should know what Rielly wants, if it's to much he should have been traded and those assets put towards filling the hole he will have left (even if that solution is a downgrade with more term on there deal) instead of him leaving and no assets to help fill that hole next season

You people act like this is bloody rocket science and the future isn't a thing

 

[Fogelhund]

We should know what Rielly wants, if it's to much he should have been traded and those assets put towards filling the hole he will have left (even if that solution is a downgrade with more term on there deal) instead of him leaving and no assets to help fill that hole next season

Have we been offered a suitable return for Rielly yet?

Is a suitable replacement for that hole available, at a reasonable cost?

 

[Fogelhund]

 

[Kiwi]

Have we been offered a suitable return for Rielly yet?

Is a suitable replacement for that hole available, at a reasonable cost?

To late now, that's why it should have been sorted out as soon as we knew what he was looking for on his next deal

This needed to happen when guys like Ristolainen were being traded, you know while there was still a market

This isn't unforeseen, or a surprise
We do this every off-season

 

[Fogelhund]

To late now, that's why it should have been sorted out as soon as we knew what he was looking for on his next deal

This needed to happen when guys like Ristolainen were being traded, you know while there was still a market

This isn't unforeseen, or a surprise
We do this every off-season

Of those players traded, whom do you think we could have been players on?

Personally I would have done the Jake Bean trade, but inexperienced. No interest in Risto, not sure we would have been able to do the Ellis trade.

 

[Kiwi]

Of those players traded, whom do you think we could have been players on?

Personally I would have done the Jake Bean trade, but inexperienced. No interest in Risto, not sure we would have been able to do the Ellis trade.

Only GM's know those things, but I'd have thought our analytically inclined GM should have been able to identify underappreciated players on other teams to target if Rielly is going to price himself off the team

Which wasn't exactly impossible to predict once the market took shape

Bean is the type of player we should be targeting, you won't get a #1D back in a Rielly trade but if you can get a cost controled young player who can become a top 4D over time you extend your contention window

Lets say Rielly is worth a 1st and a 2nd, you use the 2nd on Bean, Bean, Dermott and Sandin compete for the open top 4 job and you still have your picks and an extra 1st if You want or need to upgrade later

 

[LeafChief]

What should we have done? Please be specific.

Rielly walking as a UFA is a disaster.

Rielly could have been traded for futures and those futures could have been flipped for another defender with term. The futures they would acquire for Rielly would likely be better than the futures they sent to LA for Muzzin.

If you flip Rielly and avoid the monumental screw up of letting him walk, you an go ahead and use some (or all) of the futures to plug that hole with something more long-term. They could even add on top of those futures for someone like Chychrun, for example.

Sitting on Rielly and letting him walk like Hyman is a terrible idea. Not suggesting that that is the current plan but it became way more of a possibility once the draft came and went.

 

[New Liskeard]

Rielly walking as a UFA is a disaster.

Rielly could have been traded for futures and those futures could have been flipped for another defender with term. The futures they would acquire for Rielly would likely be better than the futures they sent to LA for Muzzin.

If you flip Rielly and avoid the monumental screw up of letting him walk, you an go ahead and use some (or all) of the futures to plug that hole with something more long-term. They could even add on top of those futures for someone like Chychrun, for example.

Sitting on Rielly and letting him walk like Hyman is a terrible idea. Not suggesting that that is the current plan but it became way more of a possibility once the draft came and went.

Is it a foregone conclusion Reilly is walking for sure?

 

[LeafChief]

Is it a foregone conclusion Reilly is walking for sure?

Definitely not. He could sign tomorrow.

This just seems to be the same path they took with Hyman so it's worrisome.

 

[4thline]

Rielly could have been traded for futures and those futures could have been flipped for another defender with term. .

Sitting on Rielly and letting him walk like Hyman is a terrible idea.

How is flipping the futures for a defender with term any different than using him as an own rental then using his cap space for a replacement in UFA?

There's an argument to be made that the single best course of action would have been trading him prior to this years UFA season (for futures/assets, prior to talking extension) then using the cap space to sign a replacement.

That way we end up with Futures + Replacement. Would we be better off today with McCabe/Goligoski + 1st + Prospect. Sure. But is ending up with Rielly extended or a comparable/better UFA a disastrous outcome? Don't think so

Any other course is a marginal improvement at best in terms of asset management

 

[SeaOfBlue]

To late now, that's why it should have been sorted out as soon as we knew what he was looking for on his next deal

This needed to happen when guys like Ristolainen were being traded, you know while there was still a market

This isn't unforeseen, or a surprise
We do this every off-season

Maybe it was sorted out already, and what they determined was their only realistic option was working something out with Rielly.

 

[Knies iT]

How is flipping the futures for a defender with term any different than using him as an own rental then using his cap space for a replacement in UFA?

There's an argument to be made that the single best course of action would have been trading him prior to this years UFA season (for futures/assets, prior to talking extension) then using the cap space to sign a replacement.

That way we end up with Futures + Replacement. Would we be better off today with McCabe/Goligoski + 1st + Prospect. Sure. But is ending up with Rielly extended or a comparable/better UFA a disastrous outcome? Don't think so

Any other course is a marginal improvement at best in terms of asset management

Because you're risking this entire window on a free agent market that could dry up before the trade deadline, let alone the draft.

Really it comes down to risking letting Rielly walk to sign either a) Lindholm (likely re-signed as he still fits ANA's youth movement), or b) Pulock (downgrade and also likely to re-sign). Klingberg would be a Barrie situation all over again.

Every other big name has already re-signed. You make these moves proactively, not reactively overpaying for what's left on the market at the last minute.