GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - Training camp approaches

[SprDaVE]

Iirc the rumors back in July were that both Kerfoot and Mikheyev were potentially about to be traded, perhaps as a package deal.

I don't know if I ever recall that personally but I can see it. I think Dubas and the Leafs are pretty high on Mikheyev though.

I think Engvall is at the top of the trade bait list for the Leafs, although with questionable value on the market.

 

[zeke]

I don't know if I ever recall that personally but I can see it. I think Dubas and the Leafs are pretty high on Mikheyev though.

I swear I heard it somewhere. And from one of the bigger sources.

 

[SprDaVE]

I swear I heard it somewhere. And from one of the bigger sources.

Mixing up Engvall and Mikheyev maybe? I feel like I've seen both Kerfoot and Engvall in a lot of that trade stuff.

 

[Fogelhund]

I swear I heard it somewhere. And from one of the bigger sources.

Kerfoot is always rumoured, as we struggle with cap space. Whether that's been true or not, who knows.

Mikheyev is obvious, given his ask out... no doubt they shopped him a bit, but figured they were better off keeping him, than the potential returns.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I don't know if I ever recall that personally but I can see it. I think Dubas and the Leafs are pretty high on Mikheyev though.

I think Engvall is at the top of the trade bait list for the Leafs, although with questionable value on the market.

I get that he hasn't been great but I still think we should give Engvall a couple game experiment on the top 2 lines (even in exhibition).

Would hate to dump a 6'5" guy that can skate like the wind and has a wicked shot when he lets it go for peanuts without ever trying him in an offensive situation.

 

[Sypher04]

I get that he hasn't been great but I still think we should give Engvall a couple game experiment on the top 2 lines (even in exhibition).

Would hate to dump a 6'5" guy that can skate like the wind and has a wicked shot when he lets it go for peanuts without ever trying him in an offensive situation.

I’d move on. He does skate well for his size, but I’d say his shot is just solid and nothing that great. And its worth note that everything people covet about players with size is simply not how engvall plays, and likely never will

 

[SprDaVE]

I get that he hasn't been great but I still think we should give Engvall a couple game experiment on the top 2 lines (even in exhibition).

Would hate to dump a 6'5" guy that can skate like the wind and has a wicked shot when he lets it go for peanuts without ever trying him in an offensive situation.

I would agree 100%. I actually like him a lot and still think he's a solid depth forward with some untapped potential. I wouldn't have signed Ritchie personally.

But we do need a little cap space right now and he seems hard to justify keeping over veterans or other players at this time.

 

[zeke]

Mixing up Engvall and Mikheyev maybe? I feel like I've seen both Kerfoot and Engvall in a lot of that trade stuff.

Ah I found it - it was dreger:

 

[New Liskeard]

I get that he hasn't been great but I still think we should give Engvall a couple game experiment on the top 2 lines (even in exhibition).

Would hate to dump a 6'5" guy that can skate like the wind and has a wicked shot when he lets it go for peanuts without ever trying him in an offensive situation.

And can play center ice and take face offs. He is underrated IMO.

 

[Sypher04]

And can play center ice and take face offs. He is underrated IMO.

sure, he can take face offs, but he isn’t good at them.

 

[deprw]

It's a bit hard to understand what you are trying to say here. There won't be many suitors anyway, the market is limited for people who can afford, and need such a player. A team securing a player, before they have to bid on the open market gives them cap security.. they probably feel they aren't competing and over bidding. Mo gets the contract he wants, and we get an acceptable return... any team who would want him, would be in the negotiations too. We would have agreed on a trade return as well... it should be beneficial to all.

First message I originally quoted was saying that we should sign Rielly to 7,5 mil / 8 year contract and then trade him away to highest bid. I was commenting on that being stupid dream, if we're going to trade away Rielly best scenario would be for teams sign and trade, but Rielly is controlling that part of negotiations. We have no control over caphit, we cannot sign him first and trade him then behind his back. It needs to be done in co-op with player, so it's also complicated. Not something sign Rielly to this and trade him away.

I hope they're working on a contract right now and if that goes south, then we should trade him with new contract or not. Though in good terms with player, if not then Rielly can declare going UFA. Seth Jones did just that. He had two destinations where he would sign after trade. Which affects Riellys value, but it isn't something we can control.

 

[123offtheglass]

Should deal Engvall for at least a mid/late pick; they're pretty depleted for picks & Engvall is just gonna get waived & claimed anyways.

 

[123offtheglass]

Leafs - Bruins
Morgan Rielly (with Ext) and Ilya Mikheyev
for
Brandon Carlo and Jake DeBrusk

Bruins pair Rielly with McAvoy for the Foreseeable Future, Leafs get Cap Security

Ritchie - Matthews - Marner
DeBrusk - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - - Kampf - - Kase
Bunting - Spezza - Simmonds

Muzzin - - Brodie
Sandin - - - Carlo
Dermott - - - Holl

Campbell
Mrazek

The cap doesn't work on that trade. $7.75 in, $6.65 out.

With a 20-man roster, it actually could but just barely. Possible but not ideal to roll with.

If that deal actually went through though, which I'd be a huge fan of (I think the Leafs would need to add a little), I'd think a small bit of retention on DeBrusk's 1yr deal would be negotiable too.

 

[123offtheglass]

Iirc the rumors back in July were that both Kerfoot and Mikheyev were potentially about to be traded, perhaps as a package deal.

That'd be interesting considering Dubas also sounded keen about those two running their third line, with Kampf potentially sliding Kerfoot back to the wing. Maybe adding Kampf makes those two a little more expendable, but I'd have a hard time seeing them ship out both Mikheyev & Kerfoot.

 

[LeafChief]

Should deal Engvall for at least a mid/late pick; they're pretty depleted for picks & Engvall is just gonna get waived & claimed anyways.

It would be serious mismanagement to lose Engvall on waivers.

If they don't have a roster spot for him, they should trade him immediately. To be honest he would probably have a big year in a place like Buffalo.

 

[Fogelhund]

With a 20-man roster, it actually could but just barely. Possible but not ideal to roll with.

If that deal actually went through though, which I'd be a huge fan of (I think the Leafs would need to add a little), I'd think a small bit of retention on DeBrusk's 1yr deal would be negotiable too.

It would be pretty funny in one way.. we'd have four Bruins from last year on our roster.... DeBrusk really would need 50% retention.

It might make more sense to send Engvall to Boston in such a trade, as Mikheyev has utility on the PK etc. for us...

Keep in mind, we would have moved out Hyman and Mikheyev, two top three in PK minutes for forwards. Kampf does PK, Debrusk does not.... it would give us Kampf, Marner, Mikheyev and Kerfoot as our primary PK guys.

I'd be in favour of such a lineup.

 

[fahad203]

Was there no interest in Gally ?

All he got so far is a PTO from Arizona. I know he's from there but there had to be some interest by other teams ?

Edit. He's from Wisconsin

 

[123offtheglass]

It would be serious mismanagement to lose Engvall on waivers.

If they don't have a roster spot for him, they should trade him immediately. To be honest he would probably have a big year in a place like Buffalo.

There's Joey Anderson too that I'm a little concerned about. He's waiver eligible but definitely not a definite roster lock; I hope they have a plan for him that isn't potentially losing him for nothing.

 

[Jozay]

Was there no interest in Gally ?

All he got so far is a PTO from Arizona. I know he's from there but there had to be some interest by other teams ?

Edit. He's from Wisconsin

The guys bad at hockey.

 

[Sypher04]

That’s a big no thanks to debrusk lol

 

[Knies iT]

Zach Sanford might be an odd man out in STL. Kostin competing for a roster spot and Blues fans thinking he's a trade piece as a rental.

Would definitely be interested. Value similar to Mikheyev (3rd rounder), so i'd consider that swap with an add from the Leafs to make the Blues retain so dollars are even.

Would have the same impact as Foligno for a fraction of the price. Jenner/Sanford are two guys the Leafs should look at next summer regardless, assuming Kerfoot's moved out.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Zach Sanford might be an odd man out in STL. Kostin competing for a roster spot and Blues fans thinking he's a trade piece as a rental.

Would definitely be interested. Value similar to Mikheyev (3rd rounder), so i'd consider that swap with an add from the Leafs to make the Blues retain so dollars are even.

Would have the same impact as Foligno for a fraction of the price. Jenner/Sanford are two guys the Leafs should look at next summer regardless, assuming Kerfoot's moved out.

Weren't a lot of Blues fans saying Sanford was pretty bad defensively? I might be remembering that wrong but I could have sworn that was a thing.

 

[LeafChief]

Zach Sanford might be an odd man out in STL. Kostin competing for a roster spot and Blues fans thinking he's a trade piece as a rental.

Would definitely be interested. Value similar to Mikheyev (3rd rounder), so i'd consider that swap with an add from the Leafs to make the Blues retain so dollars are even.

Would have the same impact as Foligno for a fraction of the price. Jenner/Sanford are two guys the Leafs should look at next summer regardless, assuming Kerfoot's moved out.

I think Jenner signed an extension this summer with CBJ.

 

[VanW27]

Weren't a lot of Blues fans saying Sanford was pretty bad defensively? I might be remembering that wrong but I could have sworn that was a thing.

Yeah, that's the thing - we need Mikheyev's defensive play and PK ability. Sanford is a depth scorer who needs sheltered, no thanks to that.

Not to mention Meikheyev scored 1 more point than him last year, despite serious criticism for lack of offense, while being massively better defensively.

 

[Knies iT]

Yeah, that's the thing - we need Mikheyev's defensive play and PK ability. Sanford is a depth scorer who needs sheltered, no thanks to that.

Not to mention Meikheyev scored 1 more point than him last year, despite serious criticism for lack of offense, while being massively better defensively.

He spent time on a line with O'Reilly and Perron, clearly didn't need sheltering. He plays mostly on STL's 3rd line and they use him in a two-way role but he's played at the top of their lineup at times.

Mikheyev will walk this summer and the Leafs have an internal PK replacement in Engvall. I'd make that move for Sanford all day if he came with an extension in the 2m range. Mikheyev is an oddball fit in the bottom six and you can't build a checking line around him.