GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - Training camp approaches

[Martin Skoula]

When was the last time they were good? The couple years after Burke left?

Seems like they've been in no man's land for a decade or so

For a team with dozens of players their fans insist cost 1st++++ they sure don't get much done.

 

[Stephen]

When was the last time they were good? The couple years after Burke left?

Seems like they've been in no man's land for a decade or so

Surprisingly, they finished 1st in the Pacific 5x straight years between 2014-18 and had 5x straight 100+ point seasons ending in 2018. Even made the conference finals twice in that time.

NHL Records

 

[Menzinger]

Surprisingly, they finished 1st in the Pacific 5x straight years between 2014-18 and had 5x straight 100+ point seasons ending in 2018. Even made the conference finals twice in that time.

NHL Records

That's actually fairly surprising. They really haven't seen to have had that many notable players over the last few years other than a few exceptions. Those West coast teams can just be somewhat forgettable.....

 

[Stephen]

That's actually fairly surprising. They really haven't seen to have had that many notable players over the last few years other than a few exceptions. Those West coast teams can just be somewhat forgettable.....

I think some combination of Anaheim being great but never getting over the hump and winning the Cup (at least in the 2010s) and being overshadowed in their own market by the Kings.

Makes you wonder about some of those star players who always shied away from big markets. And at the end of their careers, how will guys like Getzlaf and Perry be remembered, if at all?

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

That's actually fairly surprising. They really haven't seen to have had that many notable players over the last few years other than a few exceptions. Those West coast teams can just be somewhat forgettable.....

That division far been weak though I think.

All of California seems to be bad now

 

[hockeywiz542]

Vegas Golden Knights Sign Forward Nolan Patrick To Two-Year Contract

VEGAS (September 19, 2021) - Vegas Golden Knights General Manager Kelly McCrimmon announced today, September 19, that the team has signed forward Nolan Patrick to a two-year contract worth an average annual value of $1,200,000.

Patrick, 23, has appeared in 197 NHL games, all with the Philadelphia Flyers, and has posted 70 points (30 G, 40 A) after being selected as the second overall pick in the 2017 NHL Entry Draft. He recorded a career-high 31 points (13 G, 18 A) during the 2018-19 season with Philadelphia. The Winnipeg, Manitoba native also spent three full seasons playing with the Western Hockey League's Brandon Wheat Kings.

Patrick was acquired by the Golden Knights from the Nashville Predators on July 17, 2021. He was a first-round selection (2nd overall) during the 2017 NHL Entry Draft by the Philadelphia Flyers.

 

[deprw]

My thoughts were a sign and trade of Rielly, say he would take 8x7.5. What would be the difference in value between Rielly at 8x7.5M and Theodore at 3 more years of 5.2M?

Why would Rielly do that? If we'd propose that he would kindly decline and say, that his going to play his contract out. So he can choose his destination freely.

 

[Fogelhund]

Why would Rielly do that? If we'd propose that he would kindly decline and say, that his going to play his contract out. So he can choose his destination freely.

Any sign and trade, Rielly would clearly know what was going on, and consent....

 

[Mugzy97]

Why would Rielly do that? If we'd propose that he would kindly decline and say, that his going to play his contract out. So he can choose his destination freely.

I guess his motivation would be a guaranteed contract for 8 years on a good team right now instead of waiting to see what this year brings. Contract security.

 

[Fogelhund]

I guess his motivation would be a guaranteed contract for 8 years on a good team right now instead of waiting to see what this year brings. Contract security.

Contract security is huge... A bad year, an injury could cost him tens of millions of dollars. If he was offered 7 mil + for 8 years, with a decent team, he'd be stupid not to take it.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Leafs - Bruins
Morgan Rielly (with Ext) and Ilya Mikheyev
for
Brandon Carlo and Jake DeBrusk

Bruins pair Rielly with McAvoy for the Foreseeable Future, Leafs get Cap Security

Ritchie - Matthews - Marner
DeBrusk - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - - Kampf - - Kase
Bunting - Spezza - Simmonds

Muzzin - - Brodie
Sandin - - - Carlo
Dermott - - - Holl

Campbell
Mrazek

 

[Mugzy97]

Contract security is huge... A bad year, an injury could cost him tens of millions of dollars. If he was offered 7 mil + for 8 years, with a decent team, he'd be stupid not to take it.

Exactly.

Also a conversation with Leafs management could give him the information he needs to know if they’ll be able to afford him or not, opening the door to the idea of moving on. The fact that he isn’t signed yet means it could still go either way.

Although my preference is to keep Rielly.

 

[Fogelhund]

Leafs - Bruins
Morgan Rielly (with Ext) and Ilya Mikheyev
for
Brandon Carlo and Jake DeBrusk

Bruins pair Rielly with McAvoy for the Foreseeable Future, Leafs get Cap Security

Ritchie - Matthews - Marner
DeBrusk - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - - Kampf - - Kase
Bunting - Spezza - Simmonds

Muzzin - - Brodie
Sandin - - - Carlo
Dermott - - - Holl

Campbell
Mrazek

The cap doesn't work on that trade. $7.75 in, $6.65 out.

 

[Mugzy97]

Leafs - Bruins
Morgan Rielly (with Ext) and Ilya Mikheyev
for
Brandon Carlo and Jake DeBrusk

Bruins pair Rielly with McAvoy for the Foreseeable Future, Leafs get Cap Security

Ritchie - Matthews - Marner
DeBrusk - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - - Kampf - - Kase
Bunting - Spezza - Simmonds

Muzzin - - Brodie
Sandin - - - Carlo
Dermott - - - Holl

Campbell
Mrazek

I like that trade honestly, just thinking a huge factor is going to be the extension, length and dollar value.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

The cap doesn't work on that trade. $7.75 in, $6.65 out.

Engvall can be added to the trade, Kase could be burried if he doesn't work out, lots of options

 

[Fogelhund]

Engvall can be added to the trade, Kase could be burried if he doesn't work out, lots of options

Even if you added Engvall, you'd need to run a 20 player roster. I don't mind the trade really, some players whom we could use, and I could see why Boston would do it too... DeBrusk is a bit expensive now that he's relegated to the third line... I think Boston would need to retain on DeBrusk to make this happen.

 

[deprw]

Any sign and trade, Rielly would clearly know what was going on, and consent....

Well, not with any sweetheart deal anymore. That was the trade idea to sign him to fair contract, but why sign fair contract and lose money. If we sing him to market price it isn't that lucrative and we cannot profit.

Contract security is huge... A bad year, an injury could cost him tens of millions of dollars. If he was offered 7 mil + for 8 years, with a decent team, he'd be stupid not to take it.

That is usually something players are doing in that case, because it's huge asset to come in free and you also get to choose the destination freely. That limits the suitors and like said above, that deal might not be good deal for team that is buying, it would be good for Rielly.

 

[SprDaVE]

Seems unlikely based on our depth, but he's an intriguing player.

 

[Fogelhund]

Well, not with any sweetheart deal anymore. That was the trade idea to sign him to fair contract, but why sign fair contract and lose money. If we sing him to market price it isn't that lucrative and we cannot profit.



That is usually something players are doing in that case, because it's huge asset to come in free and you also get to choose the destination freely. That limits the suitors and like said above, that deal might not be good deal for team that is buying, it would be good for Rielly.

It's a bit hard to understand what you are trying to say here. There won't be many suitors anyway, the market is limited for people who can afford, and need such a player. A team securing a player, before they have to bid on the open market gives them cap security.. they probably feel they aren't competing and over bidding. Mo gets the contract he wants, and we get an acceptable return... any team who would want him, would be in the negotiations too. We would have agreed on a trade return as well... it should be beneficial to all.

 

[Fogelhund]

Seems unlikely based on our depth, but he's an intriguing player.

Yes, but shouldn't be the guy we are looking at. Very good offensive player, completely lost in the D zone, no physicality... looks a lot like how we'd be, if we'd get thrown back there... He's kind of the opposite type of player, to compliment what we have. He's likely on waivers, as nobody wanted to trade anything for him.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Mirtle: Will the Maple Leafs have to think trade to ease their cap and roster logjam? - The Athletic

In most circumstances, an NHL team is going to want to carry, at minimum, seven defencemen when going on the road. Assuming they’re fully healthy, the Leafs cannot currently do so without waiving one of the other 13 forwards above.

My guess is all of them would be claimed if they landed in the league’s bargain bin. (Save for maybe Jason Spezza, who has stated he’ll retire if poached. But I’m doubtful the Leafs will want to test that scenario out again this year, with no taxi squad to shuttle anyone to.)

Maybe that’s fine if you lose someone to Buffalo or Arizona on waivers. Maybe you can afford to sacrifice a Pierre Engvall for nothing if you have to, freeing up nearly enough salary to accommodate two league minimum payroll players.

It would probably make more sense to deal him in a trade rather than using waivers, assuming some of the NHL’s bottom feeders have interest in the 6-foot-5 skating giraffe.

But is there room for a Gusev, Ho-Sang or Robertson? What’s the carrot for them — again, assuming the Leafs are healthy up front?

Should be an interesting camp, from that perspective.

..............................

That’s what makes the additions of Gusev and Ho-Sang so compelling here. They have NHL-level talent, at least at one end of the ice. If you’re Kyle Dubas, do you try and punch a hole for a wild card — assuming they impress in camp — as a way to add offence down the lineup?

And who goes to make room? Is it Ilya Mikheyev, who requested out? Or someone a little more unexpected?

Something to keep an eye on as the Leafs get set to take the ice for the first time in nearly four months.

 

[Cor]

*eye emoji*

 

[4thline]

*eye emoji*

The round peg/round hole player to move is Soup. Leaves Keefe free to pick his favourite 22 man roster

 

[zeke]

Iirc the rumors back in July were that both Kerfoot and Mikheyev were potentially about to be traded, perhaps as a package deal.

 

[Mugzy97]

Iirc the rumors back in July were that both Kerfoot and Mikheyev were potentially about to be traded, perhaps as a package deal.

Our LW is pretty thin as it is, so i don’t think moving those 2 would make sense unless we’re signing or trading for a better LW