GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread -- To trade or not to trade...

[Dreakmur]

If you're gambling on games on your team, it's much easier to bet against...just go out there and take some dumb penalties and give the other team free powerplays...definitely easier than working your a55 off to try to score a game winner for your team.

That’s why it matters to me whether he bet for or against his own team…

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[dubplatepressure]

Being Toronto or Arizona? And why? Thx.

On the surface, can't see why Arizona offers a top-60 pick in addition to the best player in the deal to get worse and save a bit of money. Engvall is, IMO, not a guy teams are lining up to add to their roster.

 

[Cor]

Earlier, I was quite intrigued by the idea of acquiring Christian Dvorak from Arizona using Kerfoot +. I figured the Yotes would like to save the money (Dvorak being owed 5.075M this coming season and needs to be paid 5.725M the last two seasons of his deal ending in 24/25). His contract carries a 4.45M cap hit. After bonus day, Kerfoot is owed in real $ just under 3.5M or about 1.75M/ for his remaining two seasons. The next two seasons would see Dvorak being paid 8.525M in real dollars. A 1 for 1 trade would see the Yotes saving 5 million over two years, plus the 11.5M owed during Dvorak's last two years.
Attempting to compare the two, I think it's fair to say Dvorak has played more 2nd line minutes with less talented players and has managed to provide very comparable numbers to Kerfoot. Just as an example:
Career:
Kerfoot has provided .489 p/g
Dvorak has provided .483 p/g
Not watching a whole lot of Arizona games, I'm not able to offer a 'eye's view perspective' but he reads like a decent player working with less than stellar talent and would benefit playing a 3C role, and would most likely provide the Leafs with an upgrade over Kerfoot in that role. Dvorak can also PK, and is substantially better at FOs with 52%.

Would a Kerfoot and Engvall (we would save 300k this year) for Dvorak + 2nd round pick be something we'd like? Would the Yotes like it?

Take out the 2nd maybe

 

[BertCorbeau]

Too be fair, gambling is an addiction and addiction is an illness.

It’s more the abandoning his family thing for me

 

[meefer]

Take out the 2nd maybe

Do you think there is an add from the Yotes that the Leafs could get?

 

[dubplatepressure]

Do you think there is an add from the Yotes that the Leafs could get?

If the deal is just Dvorak for Kerfoot and Engvall, then no. TBH I don't know if they would even consider that - Dvorak's got more term and has the higher ceiling.

 

[SprDaVE]

Earlier, I was quite intrigued by the idea of acquiring Christian Dvorak from Arizona using Kerfoot +. I figured the Yotes would like to save the money (Dvorak being owed 5.075M this coming season and needs to be paid 5.725M the last two seasons of his deal ending in 24/25). His contract carries a 4.45M cap hit. After bonus day, Kerfoot is owed in real $ just under 3.5M or about 1.75M/ for his remaining two seasons. The next two seasons would see Dvorak being paid 8.525M in real dollars. A 1 for 1 trade would see the Yotes saving 5 million over two years, plus the 11.5M owed during Dvorak's last two years.
Attempting to compare the two, I think it's fair to say Dvorak has played more 2nd line minutes with less talented players and has managed to provide very comparable numbers to Kerfoot. Just as an example:
Career:
Kerfoot has provided .489 p/g
Dvorak has provided .483 p/g
Not watching a whole lot of Arizona games, I'm not able to offer a 'eye's view perspective' but he reads like a decent player working with less than stellar talent and would benefit playing a 3C role, and would most likely provide the Leafs with an upgrade over Kerfoot in that role. Dvorak can also PK, and is substantially better at FOs with 52%.

Would a Kerfoot and Engvall (we would save 300k this year) for Dvorak + 2nd round pick be something we'd like? Would the Yotes like it?

I've wondered the same about a Kerfoot for Dvorak centered trade. I do think there is something there. They seem to want to horde draft picks for their rebuild, so might be hard to pull this one off.

 

[aingefan]

I've wondered the same about a Kerfoot for Dvorak centered trade. I do think there is something there. They seem to want to horde draft picks for their rebuild, so might be hard to pull this one off.

Maybe so. It seems tough to fit in the cap.
Maybe there’s interest in saving money, and then flipping Kerfoot?
His value is prolly higher than McCann’s cost.

 

[meefer]

If the deal is just Dvorak for Kerfoot and Engvall, then no. TBH I don't know if they would even consider that - Dvorak's got more term and has the higher ceiling.

Yes, he does have more term, a higher cap hit and more dollars per year. And that's why I think Arizona might consider a Dvorak trade. From what I understand, money is tight there. They seem to have accepted the idea of a re-build and they're shedding players. Sometimes you just want to clear the deck and arrange things the way you think best. Kessel is gone in a year, Ladd has two years left - I don't think they'll be able to move him - Louie is gone after this year...I know you've got to keep some players, but Armstrong might just wish to sweep out the old and in with the new, his team.

I've wondered the same about a Kerfoot for Dvorak centered trade. I do think there is something there. They seem to want to horde draft picks for their rebuild, so might be hard to pull this one off.

To be clear, I'm not trying to sell Dvorak to anyone, because I really haven't seen him enough to know if he's a fit for what we could use. From what I've read and a few games against the Leafs over the years which have faded into the dust of my memory, and a highlight package or two, he 'reads' like an upgrade over Kerfoot at 3C, for cap purposes and to equal out, I suggested Engvall. Is he a step up to warrant the two extra years at 4.45M?

 

[Dragao6]

I've wondered the same about a Kerfoot for Dvorak centered trade. I do think there is something there. They seem to want to horde draft picks for their rebuild, so might be hard to pull this one off.

would like this allot
I’m remembered as another option the crazy chemistry Dvorak had with marner in jr

right now I’m hoping for a rackell trade and we’re ready to go but this trade would also be very cool

I do think dubas isn’t done
Hope not anyways, he’s a outside of the box thinker so I’m waiting for something, they must know they not done yet with this roster

 

[SprDaVE]

Yes, he does have more term, a higher cap hit and more dollars per year. And that's why I think Arizona might consider a Dvorak trade. From what I understand, money is tight there. They seem to have accepted the idea of a re-build and they're shedding players. Sometimes you just want to clear the deck and arrange things the way you think best. Kessel is gone in a year, Ladd has two years left - I don't think they'll be able to move him - Louie is gone after this year...I know you've got to keep some players, but Armstrong might just wish to sweep out the old and in with the new, his team.



To be clear, I'm not trying to sell Dvorak to anyone, because I really haven't seen him enough to know if he's a fit for what we could use. From what I've read and a few games against the Leafs over the years which have faded into the dust of my memory, and a highlight package or two, he 'reads' like an upgrade over Kerfoot at 3C, for cap purposes and to equal out, I suggested Engvall. Is he a step up to warrant the two extra years at 4.45M?

The main reason I think they want to trade him is that apparently Boston tried to get him but obviously couldn't get it done. It's likely the Coyotes value him good enough to not want to trade him for a marginal return, which is where I'm struggling to make it work. Going from Kerfoot to Dvorak is marginal at best, and likely fairly lateral. Only way it makes sense to me is if the trade includes other pieces or there's a lot of retention on their end. I do think Kerfoot would be very attractive to them for his contract structure.

Considering they went out to get bad contracts like Ladd and Ghost, I don't think they mind the salaries as long as they get futures to make it worth it.

would like this allot
I’m remembered as another option the crazy chemistry Dvorak had with marner in jr

right now I’m hoping for a rackell trade and we’re ready to go but this trade would also be very cool

I do think dubas isn’t done
Hope not anyways, he’s a outside of the box thinker so I’m waiting for something, they must know they not done yet with this roster

I'd expect a trade from the Leafs at some point, but probably more of a cap saving one like Engvall for a mid round pick kind of thing. I wouldn't expect a big trade. August will be very boring I imagine.

Arbitration sometimes has some players that shake loose.

 

[meefer]

The main reason I think they want to trade him is that apparently Boston tried to get him but obviously couldn't get it done. It's likely the Coyotes value him good enough to not want to trade him for a marginal return, which is where I'm struggling to make it work. Going from Kerfoot to Dvorak is marginal at best, and likely fairly lateral. Only way it makes sense to me is if the trade includes other pieces or there's a lot of retention on their end. I do think Kerfoot would be very attractive to them for his contract structure.

Considering they went out to get bad contracts like Ladd and Ghost, I don't think they mind the salaries as long as they get futures to make it worth it.



I'd expect a trade from the Leafs at some point, but probably more of a cap saving one like Engvall for a mid round pick kind of thing. I wouldn't expect a big trade. August will be very boring I imagine.

Arbitration sometimes has some players that shake loose.

Alright, in reading up on Dvorak there wasn't a huge separation between the two. I guess because of reputation (going back to London days) and playing 2nd line vs Kerfoot's 3rd line minutes, I thought there might be a bigger split between the two, nothing huge, but enough to make a difference.

 

[jaric1862]

I want Bortuzzo. One of the few tough (and pretty good) bottom pairing defenceman.

 

[Dragao6]

The main reason I think they want to trade him is that apparently Boston tried to get him but obviously couldn't get it done. It's likely the Coyotes value him good enough to not want to trade him for a marginal return, which is where I'm struggling to make it work. Going from Kerfoot to Dvorak is marginal at best, and likely fairly lateral. Only way it makes sense to me is if the trade includes other pieces or there's a lot of retention on their end. I do think Kerfoot would be very attractive to them for his contract structure.

Considering they went out to get bad contracts like Ladd and Ghost, I don't think they mind the salaries as long as they get futures to make it worth it.



I'd expect a trade from the Leafs at some point, but probably more of a cap saving one like Engvall for a mid round pick kind of thing. I wouldn't expect a big trade. August will be very boring I imagine.

Arbitration sometimes has some players that shake loose.

Yes but dubas last few moved, 2 season, is betting on this team now
His job may be on line line somewhat so I’d imagine these r the kind of moves he’d consider
Obviously retaining by other teams is all part of the equation

 

[Nylander88]

I think a move involving Mikheyev happens where we see a bottom pairing Dman come back. I can't see it just being left open to Sandin and Liljegren to fight for the 6th spot. Especially when Dubas said he wants to add someone there who plays a similar game to Bogosian. Gudbranson is one of the only UFAs sitting there that fits that description and style at all.

 

[The Podium]

I think a move involving Mikheyev happens where we see a bottom pairing Dman come back. I can't see it just being left open to Sandin and Liljegren to fight for the 6th spot. Especially when Dubas said he wants to add someone there who plays a similar game to Bogosian. Gudbranson is one of the only UFAs sitting there that fits that description and style at all.

I think dealing Mikheyev would be a mistake. Is paid fairly for his defensive contributions and still has some untapped offensive potential. Likely candidate to regret dealing away.

 

[Nylander88]

I think dealing Mikheyev would be a mistake. Is paid fairly for his defensive contributions and still has some untapped offensive potential. Likely candidate to regret dealing away.

He's about to turn 27. How long can we consider it untapped? I don't think scoring will ever be a part of his game

 

[The Podium]

He's about to turn 27. How long can we consider it untapped? I don't think scoring will ever be a part of his game

He isn’t going to miss 100% of his breakaways forever. He had shown some offensive promise prior to his wrist injury and lead his team in the K in points for 2 years before making the NHL jump. For 400k less I rather move on from Engvall.

 

[smitty10]

I think a move involving Mikheyev happens where we see a bottom pairing Dman come back. I can't see it just being left open to Sandin and Liljegren to fight for the 6th spot. Especially when Dubas said he wants to add someone there who plays a similar game to Bogosian. Gudbranson is one of the only UFAs sitting there that fits that description and style at all.

I think the same will happen, however my bet is that the traded player will be Engvall, not Mikheyev.

 

[Duffman955]

I think a move involving Mikheyev happens where we see a bottom pairing Dman come back. I can't see it just being left open to Sandin and Liljegren to fight for the 6th spot. Especially when Dubas said he wants to add someone there who plays a similar game to Bogosian. Gudbranson is one of the only UFAs sitting there that fits that description and style at all.

Gudbranson?

Added to Simmonds, Ritchie and Gabriel

Coachcorner gonna cry tears of joy

 

[fahad203]

He isn’t going to miss 100% of his breakaways forever. He had shown some offensive promise prior to his wrist injury and lead his team in the K in points for 2 years before making the NHL jump. For 400k less I rather move on from Engvall.

Engvall will be a better player than Mikaheyev. Engvall only played 90 games in NHL and has all the tools to be an effective bottom 6

He also has decent hands and can really carry the puck. He doesn't get any opportunity to play with good players and don't get any PP

Speed isn't everything. Especially the way Mikaheyev and Grabner plays

I would keep Engvall for another year to see what he can do

He has shown to score at every level so far. He finished a season in 90 games. In full season that would be one season

Would u write off a first year player ? No
You wouldn't. Hes still a work in progress

 

[Nylander88]

Gudbranson?

Added to Simmonds, Ritchie and Gabriel

Coachcorner gonna cry tears of joy

I was originally thinking we weren't going to get so many forwards in free agency, and I wanted a guy like Ian Cole. But I think he got like a 3million dollar pay day, which is a bit rich for our cap structure. I think another body comes in cheap that's a bit of a bigger frame/PK guy. Ben Hutton I can see coming back at league minimum

 

[Stephen]

Any logic in bringing in a Tyler Bozak on a cheap 1 year deal?

 

[Dreakmur]

Any logic in bringing in a Tyler Bozak on a cheap 1 year deal?

He’d be a solid 4th liner and PKer. That allows us to launch Engvall into the sun.

After that, Simmonds might be the first guy knocked out of the lineup.