GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread -- To trade or not to trade...
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Yep, since 3 10mil plus players can’t win a round, maybe 4 10 mil plus players can, lol.
Rielly as a trade commodity has significant value, he is however only signed for one more year, will need a massive new contract and we need somebody back to replace him with, that means significantly better than Holl level
Most teams have spent large portions of their available cap as well
There's a reason these types of trades happen around the start of UFA and draft time
This has Hyman written all over it but if I'm wrong I'm more than happy for people to jam it down my throat but this looks remarkably similar to all of our recent valuable pending UFA'S doesn't it?
Again dubas was asked if he was comfortable letting Reilly play out the season without a contract.
he said no
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Does he say hi during the 2 minutes more he spends on the bench than Rielly every game?
Dubas has rose coloured glasses .
Hope his eyes were opened with Hyman.
I will be really pissed if he hasn't talked to Rielly .
Morgans's 8 or 9 mil contract was 2 yrs ago .
I would rather find another Brodie.
dubas said that the agent wanted to see where the market fell. They would talk In august and see if they could get something done
lebrun asked if since he walked Hyman and Freddie to ufa. Would he be comfortable doing the same.
he said no. He said that Hyman and Freddie were in very uncertain times and that he did not want to do that. He also said he didn’t like rentals and doesn’t do that but only did because this year was unique with money and expansion
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They’re both younger and Jones is perceived as being better, nurse got the sorry you gotta live in Edmonton bonus.
Both deals are ugly AF and I wouldn’t want any part of paying mo or any of them that much.
Thankfully our salary structure won’t allow us to make mistakes like that tho
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I am not arguing that. Kadri's suspensions clearly did hurt the Leafs; what I am suggesting is that Tavares' contract had impacts on Matthews/Marner contracts and we are cap strapped.
Also, we have lost two series with JT (not including the habs) one against with Bruins and then another with CBJ.
I agree with you on Rielly though; but because of cap constraints we might lose him and we don't anyone in the system to replace Rielly's minutes and we cannot get anyone from free agency or trade with same cap hit as Rielly and as important as Rielly.
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Seth Jones and Darnell Nurse are actually only a year younger than Morgan Rielly, but they are hitting this re-signing period at 26 whereas Rielly will be hitting UFA status at 28. The other thing to consider Chicago and Edmonton ar paying for 6'4" body types and guys who can log minutes at a 25-30 marathon minutes and provide all that shut down goodness, whereas Rielly doesn't really fit into that class of defenseman.
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Well neither is letting him walk for nothing, and apparently re-signing him will cost us all of our left testicles…. So which is it? It’s one of three options… he stays and re-ups stays and walks or gets traded.
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And losing Rielly leaves a gaping hole on d. Which do you think will be more affordable to fill? 1D or 3C?
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Can't wait til he re-signs and all the drama queens pick their next end of days scenario.Why are we even discussing Rielly?
It's to ******* late to sort out now, that bus has well and truly left the station
I seriously doubt we can afford to resign him so enjoy him this season and wave goodbye as he walks for nothing next off-season
Leafs mismanagement, you can't beat it
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Though there is a difference from the Hyman situation. Dubas has outright commentated on the Rielly contract situation when he remained fairly radio silent on Hyman.
I'm personally in favor of re-signing him (if he's willing to play fair on aav to stay with the team), but could envision a situation where the team tries to replace him with a lesser albeit safer minute munching guy who can play with Brodie.
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Trade himAll our right ones already went to Marner
no assests fir hymn nit agaimn
He could play fair and the AAV could still be 8M+, which I seriously doubt we can afford or should give him if I'm being honest
Dubas can comment on it but if there isn't a deal out there there just isn't a deal and the longer nothing happens the more likely it is
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I think the card Dubas will play is to go into the season with Rielly not extended...trade Kerfoot after the end of next season to pay for a Rielly extension.
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Agreed, I'd rather sign Rielly too. However he can't just play fair or else he is getting 8+ million. He has to take a big discount to stay or the Leafs can't afford him.
Trading him at this point would also be fairly tricky. It would definitely make the team worse as they aren't getting a better defenceman at Rielly's cap hit for this season. We will see if Dubas does differently this year vs the countless UFAs that have walked in the past
The Leafs could honestly be nearly done with moves, There is potential for more (Rielly situation, Engvall/Mikheyev for cap, Kerfoot and Dermott in "hockey trades"), but I expect it to be on the quiet side.
If the Leafs could get a 2nd for Mikheyev, I wouldn't lose sleep over it even if he returned to form because I have such faith in our drafting. He is cheap and has shown enough defensively (and previously offensively, plus generates chances at a high rate) where I think he could get a deceptively good return, but I don't see a lot of opportunity for a return to form offensively in Toronto. He looks destined for a 4th line/PK role.
I like Engvall more than many, but I'm fine just recouping a pick.
Both Brooks and Anderson are no longer waiver exempt, both league min, and can PK. Brooks already saw a bit of PK time in the NHL, and Anderson was a go-to for the Marlies in that role. It's not like they have much lost production to compensate for either when replacing those two.
I'd be fine with recouping some picks and obtaining some accruble cap space over the year by swapping Mikheyev/Engvall for Anderson/Brooks in the roster structure. If the Leafs do that, it's possible one or both still do hit waivers, in which case a couple picks back and the ability to accrue cap space as the outcome is fine.
Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Nylander - Tavares - Kase
Ritchie - Kampf - Kerfoot
Simmonds/Anderson - Brooks - Spezza
Still have Robertson/Semyonov/Gabriel (minimal usage)/Malgin(unless back to NLA)/Amadio/Seney/Ho-Sang(?) Beneath that as plug and play options
If the Leafs could get a 2nd for Mikheyev, I wouldn't lose sleep over it even if he returned to form because I have such faith in our drafting. He is cheap and has shown enough defensively (and previously offensively, plus generates chances at a high rate) where I think he could get a deceptively good return, but I don't see a lot of opportunity for a return to form offensively in Toronto. He looks destined for a 4th line/PK role.
I like Engvall more than many, but I'm fine just recouping a pick.
Both Brooks and Anderson are no longer waiver exempt, both league min, and can PK. Brooks already saw a bit of PK time in the NHL, and Anderson was a go-to for the Marlies in that role. It's not like they have much lost production to compensate for either when replacing those two.
I'd be fine with recouping some picks and obtaining some accruble cap space over the year by swapping Mikheyev/Engvall for Anderson/Brooks in the roster structure. If the Leafs do that, it's possible one or both still do hit waivers, in which case a couple picks back and the ability to accrue cap space as the outcome is fine.
Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Nylander - Tavares - Kase
Ritchie - Kampf - Kerfoot
Simmonds/Anderson - Brooks - Spezza
Still have Robertson/Semyonov/Gabriel (minimal usage)/Malgin(unless back to NLA)/Amadio/Seney/Ho-Sang(?) Beneath that as plug and play options
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The uncertainty of next years cap and FA market make this scenario seem really unlikely. Dubas won't take the risk IMO. He is either in or out on a player and the idea that he would delay a Rielly resolution for future negotiation next year seems out of character. He isn't a gambler, he has a strategy in mind and is more likely to deal fringe assets than risk another established player loss.
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