GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread -- To trade or not to trade...

[PromisedLand]

Kessel submits a trade request

man.. not gonna lie. I would love to have Kessel back.

at 50% retention Kessel would cost around 3.4 AAV

that means moving mikheyev/dermott/Holl + kerfoot = OUT approx 4.5 to 5.5 AAV gives us around 1 to 2 AAV in cap relief to add at the TDL or go bargain shopping for a depth/top6 D.

Personally I have changed my opinion; I think we should go for it before Matthews/Willy hit UFA market because after that any chance of success significantly declines IMO

bunting-matthews-nylander
ritchie-tavares-kessel
kase-kampf-marner
simmonds-brooks-spezza
robertson

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl/Dermott/Lily
Sandin Lily/Dermott
Rosen


three 11 AAV guys running their own lines; this could be good. Zona would ask quite a bit to send Kessel at 50% retained though

After the season use the 1M expected cap increase + 1.2M kessel's retention coming off the books to re-up Rielly

 

[Ziggdiezan]

An idea that I haven't read on here:

Instead of trading Rielly, I think it would make more sense to move Muzzin. We're paying him 5.625M for 3 more years and he'll likely start declining very soon if he hasn't already. We could easily afford to resign Rielly and just run Rielly, Dermott, Sandin down the left side.

Muzzin has a NTC this year and next year followed by a 10 team NTC in his final year. I dont think he will waive it so likely isn't an option

 

[Fogelhund]

at 50% retention Kessel would cost around 3.4 AAV

that means moving mikheyev/dermott/Holl + kerfoot = OUT approx 4.5 to 5.5 AAV gives us around 1 to 2 AAV in cap relief to add at the TDL or go bargain shopping for a depth/top6 D.

Personally I have changed my opinion; I think we should go for it before Matthews/Willy hit UFA market because after that any chance of success significantly declines IMO

bunting-matthews-nylander
ritchie-tavares-kessel
kase-kampf-marner
simmonds-brooks-spezza
robertson

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl/Dermott/Lily
Sandin Lily/Dermott
Rosen


three 11 AAV guys running their own lines; this could be good. Zona would ask quite a bit to send Kessel at 50% retained though

After the season use the 1M expected cap increase + 1.2M kessel's retention coming off the books to re-up Rielly

Kessel isn't a realistic option... but just for giggles, we aren't playing Marner on the third line, with Kampf and Kase, guys aren't big scorers. Keep Marner with either Matty or Tavares.

Move Kessel to the third line, move out Kerfoot, sign Bozak to a near league minimum, play a line of Robertson Bozak Kessel as the third line....

 

[Mugzy97]

Muzzin has a NTC this year and next year followed by a 10 team NTC in his final year. I dont think he will waive it so likely isn't an option

Ah didn't realize he had the NTC. That makes more sense.

 

[CupcakeSprinkles]

at 50% retention Kessel would cost around 3.4 AAV

that means moving mikheyev/dermott/Holl + kerfoot = OUT approx 4.5 to 5.5 AAV gives us around 1 to 2 AAV in cap relief to add at the TDL or go bargain shopping for a depth/top6 D.

Personally I have changed my opinion; I think we should go for it before Matthews/Willy hit UFA market because after that any chance of success significantly declines IMO

bunting-matthews-nylander
ritchie-tavares-kessel
kase-kampf-marner
simmonds-brooks-spezza
robertson

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl/Dermott/Lily
Sandin Lily/Dermott
Rosen


three 11 AAV guys running their own lines; this could be good. Zona would ask quite a bit to send Kessel at 50% retained though

After the season use the 1M expected cap increase + 1.2M kessel's retention coming off the books to re-up Rielly

0% Chance Marner plays third line with Kampf lol.........

 

[Coachcorner]

Kessel isn't a realistic option... but just for giggles, we aren't playing Marner on the third line, with Kampf and Kase, guys aren't big scorers. Keep Marner with either Matty or Tavares.

Move Kessel to the third line, move out Kerfoot, sign Bozak to a near league minimum, play a line of Robertson Bozak Kessel as the third line....

Yeah kessel back to toronto... is a fantasy world sire. For real mayne. He was driven out of the city, hard. Never will he be able to come back. He also couldn't handle the pressure in toronto period. Some losers play better elsewhere where there ain't no pressure at all. They losers, but still they can win the cup. Its' interesting. Only the real are and will be able to win in toronto. Everything else winning is like losing. Its not hard enough period.

 

[dubplatepressure]

An idea that I haven't read on here:

Instead of trading Rielly, I think it would make more sense to move Muzzin. We're paying him 5.625M for 3 more years and he'll likely start declining very soon if he hasn't already. We could easily afford to resign Rielly and just run Rielly, Dermott, Sandin down the left side.

ive seen this floated before. The problem I see with this is that even if he declines, he's still going to be at worst a decent 3rd pairing option, and he's not locked in long term. Signing players like Rielly to a 9M deal, he could start to decline at early as year 3 once he starts to round the 30-corner, as so many other players do. His cap and term would cripple us. These long term high cap contracts never work out because they basically force a situation where you either get equal value, or you suffer considerably; there's no room for a player to overachieve relative to his contract. Tampa's been able to be so successful because so many of their players outperform the dollar value of their contracts.

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

An idea that I haven't read on here:

Instead of trading Rielly, I think it would make more sense to move Muzzin. We're paying him 5.625M for 3 more years and he'll likely start declining very soon if he hasn't already. We could easily afford to resign Rielly and just run Rielly, Dermott, Sandin down the left side.

That's something we could put off till next year, which is another advantage.

 

[Stonehands1990]

I find it interesting that Bogo's reason for not re-signing with the Leafs, at least what was reported, was that he didn't want to play in a city that is very restricted.

Given COVID is kicking ass in Florida, I wonder if he is happy signing in Tampa.

Again assuming, restrictions were the reason and not anything else like winning

The report was border restrictions for seeing family

 

[Gabriel426]

A young d who hasn't even played a full season. It usually takes a D 2-3 years in NHL before their find their stride

He'll be our best D in few years, you can write this down.

Keefe totally ambushed and set him up for failure. Even Montreal didn't play Romanov who played more games during regular season against the Leafs until game 6

He's not a speedster but he's not as bad some of you make up to be with his skating. Paul Byron is a heck of a skater and Habs are a very good skating team
They make a lot of teams look slow

Thats doesn't change the fact that his size and speed are his weaknesses.
His skating can improve but he is still small. In the current NHL, it is very hard to be a dman who is small and not fast.
I hope he improves bc playing on the Leafs D is really sink or swim. Leafs don't have vets to partner rookie Dman.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Ah didn't realize he had the NTC. That makes more sense.

Ya unfortunately the Muzzin signing has complicated the left side a lot as it has blocked Dermott which has block Sandin and now it may block a Reilly resign

 

[ToneDog]

An idea that I haven't read on here:

Instead of trading Rielly, I think it would make more sense to move Muzzin. We're paying him 5.625M for 3 more years and he'll likely start declining very soon if he hasn't already. We could easily afford to resign Rielly and just run Rielly, Dermott, Sandin down the left side.

Muzzin is our best dman and PKer. After Muzz and Holl, who kills penalties ?? Move him and put in Sandin and our PK will be worse than our PP IMO. Oh yeah, and our D will be softer than it already is.

 

[showtime8]

Muzzin is our best dman and PKer. After Muzz and Holl, who kills penalties ?? Move him and put in Sandin and our PK will be worse than our PP IMO. Oh yeah, and our D will be softer than it already is.

Also have to add that as much as Tavares was a huge loss in the Montreal series, Jake Muzzin was just as impactful to the teams loss as well.

 

[ToneDog]

Ya unfortunately the Muzzin signing has complicated the left side a lot as it has blocked Dermott which has block Sandin and now it may block a Reilly resign

Muzzin brings what no other Leaf dman brings. If I could trade Rielly for a 28 year old Muzzin making Muzzin money, we'd be golden.

 

[Fogelhund]

Yeah kessel back to toronto... is a fantasy world sire. For real mayne. He was driven out of the city, hard. Never will he be able to come back. He also couldn't handle the pressure in toronto period. Some losers play better elsewhere where there ain't no pressure at all. They losers, but still they can win the cup. Its' interesting. Only the real are and will be able to win in toronto. Everything else winning is like losing. Its not hard enough period.

He wasn't the player to build around as the main guy, so he was moved. As a third option in Pittsburgh, he thrived... I think he would here, as a third option too. He'd be welcomed back, and the pressure wouldn't be on him here. I'm not sure I'd really want to give up much in assets to get him, but Bozak and Kessel on the third line together, would be funny, for old time sakes.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Also have to add that as much as Tavares was a huge loss in the Montreal series, Jake Muzzin was just as impactful to the teams loss as well.

What was most impactful was their inability to compete and adapt. Not sure how some fans (not you) can watch this team fold in the big games time aftef time and still defend them to the core.

 

[TimeZone]

What was most impactful was their inability to compete and adapt. Not sure how some fans (not you) can watch this team fold in the big games time aftef time and still defend them to the core.

Because the reality is the majority of posters on this forum are straight up homers.

There is zero reason to be optimistic about this upcoming season.

 

[Pi]

Because the reality is the majority of posters on this forum are straight up homers.

There is zero reason to be optimistic about this upcoming season.

Yeah, I don't think there is any reason to be optimistic about this upcoming season. The only way we win in the playoffs is if Matthews and Marner can play like they do in the regular season in the playoffs. We need Hart candidate Matthews to play like one in the playoffs and for Marner to not completely become a ghost afraid of his own shadow.

Team is weaker next year and either they carry this team to win or they are bounced out in the first round again.

I'd love to know the record of most consecutive first round losses by a team because it feels like we've got to be pretty darn close to it.

These guys do not deserve any trade deadline acquisitions and quite frankly Rielly should be traded at the deadline at worst regardless of where we are in the standings because I don't care if they are on the verge of winning the President's Trophy. When the real thing begins, they haven't shown up.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Muzzin brings what no other Leaf dman brings. If I could trade Rielly for a 28 year old Muzzin making Muzzin money, we'd be golden.

Ya that is fair. Not saying resigning Muzzin was a wrong choice just that it really bottlenecks the left side and/or almost guarantees Rielly is gone

 

[showtime8]

What was most impactful was their inability to compete and adapt. Not sure how some fans (not you) can watch this team fold in the big games time aftef time and still defend them to the core.

I'm talking player wise. You can't expect a Lamborghini to be the same kind of car when you're off-roading, as it is when you're highway driving.

 

[LeafSteel]

Honestly don’t think this is a player we can add that will make damns worth of difference if Matthews and Marner don’t show up in the playoffs.

Season means nothing and if they can’t drive the give a crap meter playoffs might be a pipe dream, at which point there needs to be change, starting from the top.

 

[ACC1224]

Honestly don’t think this is a player we can add that will make damns worth of difference if Matthews and Marner don’t show up in the playoffs.

Season means nothing and if they can’t drive the give a crap meter playoffs might be a pipe dream, at which point there needs to be change, starting from the top.

but on a positive note Steelers/Cowboys tonight!!

 

[PromisedLand]

Kessel isn't a realistic option... but just for giggles, we aren't playing Marner on the third line, with Kampf and Kase, guys aren't big scorers. Keep Marner with either Matty or Tavares.

Move Kessel to the third line, move out Kerfoot, sign Bozak to a near league minimum, play a line of Robertson Bozak Kessel as the third line....

If an 11 AAV guy needs another 11 AAV guy to produce then that 11 AAV guy needs to be traded!

In a competitive league with a salary cap; you gotta spread out offense. If marner cannot carry duds on his line then he isn't worth 11 AAV

 

[dubplatepressure]

Because the reality is the majority of posters on this forum are straight up homers.

There is zero reason to be optimistic about this upcoming season.

I don't consider myself a "straight up homer", yet I disagree with this. I am neither optimistic nor pessimistic - Campbell is / will be better than Andy, and Hyman is a loss partially offset by some of our additions. We are likely to compete for a playoff spot again and then, well, we will see how the post season goes.

 

[Dreakmur]

Because the reality is the majority of posters on this forum are straight up homers.

There is zero reason to be optimistic about this upcoming season.

There are reasons to be optimistic, but there are also reasons to be doubtful.