GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - Let the games begin

[SprDaVE]

Fun fact Jared McCann would be our leading scorer

Jason Spezza is our leading scorer.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Fun fact Jared McCann would be our leading scorer

If he was playing with the current version of Marner right now, he'd probably be scoreless through 6 games too.

If Matthews + Ritchie have their best games today while Tavares + Kerfoot struggle, I would seriously consider putting Marner on the 4th line for a few games.

 

[Buds17]

Fun fact Jared McCann would be our leading scorer

I definitely like the six points/PPG. I'm not as enthusiastic about the -5 rating. Tough to know how either number would translate to the Leafs. He also obviously wouldn't be a direct replacement for Holl.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

This is pretty ugly for a team that acts like a contender. I'm getting way ahead of myself but I hope the team makes a stance on whether we are buyers or sellers at the deadline. Don't stand pat. If we suck, sell Rielly ASAP.

 

[Mickey Marner]

If this weekend turns into a skid and we're making big moves by Christmas I think the first stop is the Rangers dangling Matthews. They've got the capspace, they've got the assets, and they've shown the appetite being in on Eichel. Gun for something around Laf+, likely taking Strome back to make their cap work.

Them or LA would be my target teams, maybe Arizona if they're willing to part with unprotected firsts. I doubt anything of consequence happens in-season though.

 

[Jozay]

If this weekend turns into a skid and we're making big moves by Christmas I think the first stop is the Rangers dangling Matthews. They've got the capspace, they've got the assets, and they've shown the appetite being in on Eichel. Gun for something around Laf+, likely taking Strome back to make their cap work.

Is this a joke?

Cmon man...

 

[BertCorbeau]

Signs of a retool are becoming clearer. Luckily it’s not a complete tear down scenario. Just need to move some cap and shake up the core.

- trade Rielly as he’s a pending UFA
- trade Marner to create cap space
- trade Kerfoot as he’s not a long term piece and has some value
- trade Holl as you’re selling high in the peak of his prime

Acquire a nice bundle of picks/prospects/young players with upside.

trading Matthews doesn’t make sense.. Tavares is untradeable at this point. Ride his contract out for two more years and assess where things are then. Nylander’s should be kept given his playoff performance last year.

 

[SprDaVE]

Signs of a retool are becoming clearer. Luckily it’s not a complete tear down scenario. Just need to move some cap and shake up the core.

- trade Rielly as he’s a pending UFA
- trade Marner to create cap space
- trade Kerfoot as he’s not a long term piece and has some value
- trade Holl as you’re selling high in the peak of his prime

Acquire a nice bundle of picks/prospects/young players with upside.

trading Matthews doesn’t make sense.. Tavares is untradeable at this point. Ride his contract out for two more years and assess where things are then. Nylander’s should be kept given his playoff performance last year.

Yep pretty much. A retool is not a rebuild. I think a core of Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Muzzin and Sandin is a decent nucleus. I'm not even attached to keeping Muzzin and/or Tavares, but they are good veterans likely not overly valued on the market with their current contracts... might as well keep them. If a team calls on them and they want to move on, then sure. If a rebuild is required, a lot of this changes.

 

[Leafin]

I don’t see any reason we would keep Muzzin over Reilly. You pay Reilly and move Muzzin if need be.

 

[Kiwi]

Signs of a retool are becoming clearer. Luckily it’s not a complete tear down scenario. Just need to move some cap and shake up the core.

- trade Rielly as he’s a pending UFA
- trade Marner to create cap space
- trade Kerfoot as he’s not a long term piece and has some value
- trade Holl as you’re selling high in the peak of his prime

Acquire a nice bundle of picks/prospects/young players with upside.

trading Matthews doesn’t make sense.. Tavares is untradeable at this point. Ride his contract out for two more years and assess where things are then. Nylander’s should be kept given his playoff performance last year.

Yep pretty much. A retool is not a rebuild. I think a core of Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Muzzin and Sandin is a decent nucleus. I'm not even attached to keeping Muzzin and/or Tavares, but they are good veterans likely not overly valued on the market with their current contracts... might as well keep them. If a team calls on them and they want to move on, then sure. If a rebuild is required, a lot of this changes.

I'd do everything I could to move Muzzin, even if I had to retain salary to make it happen

He looks like a shadow of the player he was a few years ago

Muzzin, Reilly (contract situation), Holl, Kerfoot, Marner, Kase would be the first guys i'd look at

Tavares and that no trade make him a fixture imo

 

[ToneDog]

I'd do everything I could to move Muzzin, even if I had to retain salary to make it happen

He looks like a shadow of the player he was a few years ago

Muzzin, Reilly (contract situation), Holl, Kerfoot, Marner, Kase would be the first guys i'd look at

Tavares and that no trade make him a fixture imo

Muzzin will find his game. I get wanting to move him but without him, our butter soft D would be even softer.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I could care less what Tavares wants. He has tens of millions of dollars, a super mansion and everything he needs in life 100 x over so i'm pretty sure he's going to be just fine if he we trade him. He isn't worth his contract and although I like him as a person and his effort, I'm not sure we will win with him. An 11 million dollar cap hit for a guy who's outside of the top 40 in point per game since 19/20 isn't cutting it. He's only been worth the money in 1 year. Leaf fans and media can make it really hard on players who don't produce. Forcing him out wouldn't even really be an issue if it comes to that but it's something I'd push next offseason if we flake out again not now. Fire Dubas, bring in a new GM to clean house, send a few articles to the SUN, Toronto Star, TSN, Sportsnet etc that there's talk about the team asking Tavares to waive his NMC, put pressure on him through the media and get him to waive it. It's not even really an issue tbh.

It's a massive issue. He has zero incentive to waive.

 

[SprDaVE]

I'd do everything I could to move Muzzin, even if I had to retain salary to make it happen

He looks like a shadow of the player he was a few years ago

Muzzin, Reilly (contract situation), Holl, Kerfoot, Marner, Kase would be the first guys i'd look at

Tavares and that no trade make him a fixture imo

I don't think it would take retention on his contract at all. I think there's value for him right now even as he's struggling. I'd rather keep him to be honest since I think he fits what we need in part of the retool and his salary is perfectly fine. Maybe that changes in 2-3 years or if someone reaches out with an interesting trade.

 

[Leafs1991]

This is pretty ugly for a team that acts like a contender. I'm getting way ahead of myself but I hope the team makes a stance on whether we are buyers or sellers at the deadline. Don't stand pat. If we suck, sell Rielly ASAP.

If the team clearly has no shot at the playoffs, I don't think Shanahan and Dubas are stupid enough to not sell when the time comes.

 

[Kiwi]

Muzzin will find his game. I get wanting to move him but without him, our butter soft D would be even softer.

His skating looks like it's fallen off a cliff, he's just not mobile enough to deal with those quicker forwards it seems

I don't think it would take retention on his contract at all. I think there's value for him right now even as he's struggling. I'd rather keep him to be honest since I think he fits what we need in part of the retool and his salary is perfectly fine. Maybe that changes in 2-3 years or if someone reaches out with an interesting trade.

I want to move him while he has value and I know we still can

If he's this his value is going to drop quickly imo

I'd look to build around Brodie, the two kids and try to bring in somebody younger to fit the group better

 

[hamzarocks]

Signs of a retool are becoming clearer. Luckily it’s not a complete tear down scenario. Just need to move some cap and shake up the core.

- trade Rielly as he’s a pending UFA
- trade Marner to create cap space
- trade Kerfoot as he’s not a long term piece and has some value
- trade Holl as you’re selling high in the peak of his prime

Acquire a nice bundle of picks/prospects/young players with upside.

trading Matthews doesn’t make sense.. Tavares is untradeable at this point. Ride his contract out for two more years and assess where things are then. Nylander’s should be kept given his playoff performance last year.

We should make a decision on AM34 this summer and with him Nylander. If Matthews gives a full-fledged commitment that he is willing to extend as soon as the window opens up, you keep him and retool around him, Nylander + Assets from a marner deal, and the declining player that is Tavares.

If he isn't giving positive vibes on extending, then you begin a rebuild with everyone outside of JT dealt. No point in keeping Nylander when he will be a UFA at the same time as Matthews, and we would need to give him 9M for his next deal on a retooling team that won't be winning during his current deal which has his 3 out of 4 of his remaining prime years.

Trading marner barring the team and marner himself figuring things out leading to us winning at least a playoff round, is a must in the offseason.

If Matthews isn't fine with that move, and won't come back for a retool both him and Nylander are traded out with a boatload of futures assets being brought in between the three players moved.

If Matthews is fine with a marner move and a possible retool year under new management and is likely to extned his deal in a year (before his final season) we retool around a Marner trade and keep 88 and 34 and see what happens in season with a roster core change.

 

[Legion34]

I don't think it would take retention on his contract at all. I think there's value for him right now even as he's struggling. I'd rather keep him to be honest since I think he fits what we need in part of the retool and his salary is perfectly fine. Maybe that changes in 2-3 years or if someone reaches out with an interesting trade.

my bet is he goes back to LA after the bonus is paid

 

[LeafParade]

I got roasted on here repeatedly last year because I wanted to move on from Muzzin in the summer. Not sure why everyone thought he was going not going to fall off a cliff. It was just a quesiton of when. I assumed this would probably be his last decent year and then his contract would be become a negative. He is falling apart alot faster than I thought.

 

[Puckstuff]

It's a massive issue. He has zero incentive to waive.

Nah

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Wish we traded Marner for OEL + Garland

 

[Dreakmur]

Wish we traded Marner for OEL + Garland

4 1st rounders and 11 million in cap space seems pretty appealing right now.

 

[17 Clark]

I don’t see any reason we would keep Muzzin over Reilly. You pay Reilly and move Muzzin if need be.

He gets a lot of criticism I think Riley should’ve been the captain of the team he’s been here the longest

 

[SprDaVE]

No matter if Dubas (or whoever is the GM) wants to make a big shake up trade, I don't think there's a single team willing to make that kind of trade with us right now. At least I don't think so.... It's way too early.

It will be a long long long next couple weeks and months if things don't improve.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

If he was playing with the current version of Marner right now, he'd probably be scoreless through 6 games too.

If Matthews + Ritchie have their best games today while Tavares + Kerfoot struggle, I would seriously consider putting Marner on the 4th line for a few games.

Ritchie had a good game on the 4th line. Marner's line did not, but Marner had the worst xGF% on the team.

The guys are not in it mentally.

 

[Bankerguy]

Wish we traded Marner for OEL + Garland

OEL's been really good for Van so far.
His CF% this year so far is higher than any other year he's played.. and its not like Van is 6-0 lol. They're a .500 club.