GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - Let the games begin

[TheGroceryStick]

Marner + Rielly
For
Doughty + Iafallo + cond. Pick

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Iafallo - Tavares - Kase
Ritchie - Spezza - Kerfoot
Simmonds - Kampf - Mikhayev/Engvall

Muzzin - Doughty
Sandin - Brodie
Dermott - Liljgren
Holl

 

[Dreakmur]

If the leafs pay his signing bonus in the offseason, Tavares will only be owed 15.9 million over the last 3 years which is an average of 5.3 million a year (with a cap hit of 11 million) That's good value for a low budget team if they could get him to waive his no movement clause.

Tavares didn’t take less money to come home just to get traded half way through the contract. He has a NMC, and I don’t see him waiting it for any reason other than a cup run at the deadline of his last year.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Wonder if Chicago would be interested in something around Marner+ for Jones+Debrincat

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Wonder if Chicago would be interested in something around Marner+ for Jones+Debrincat

No thanks on that Jones contract. I'd much rather go after a guy like Severson for much, much cheaper.

 

[Puckstuff]

Tavares didn’t take less money to come home just to get traded half way through the contract. He has a NMC, and I don’t see him waiting it for any reason other than a cup run at the deadline of his last year.

I could care less what Tavares wants. He has tens of millions of dollars, a super mansion and everything he needs in life 100 x over so i'm pretty sure he's going to be just fine if he we trade him. He isn't worth his contract and although I like him as a person and his effort, I'm not sure we will win with him. An 11 million dollar cap hit for a guy who's outside of the top 40 in point per game since 19/20 isn't cutting it. He's only been worth the money in 1 year. Leaf fans and media can make it really hard on players who don't produce. Forcing him out wouldn't even really be an issue if it comes to that but it's something I'd push next offseason if we flake out again not now. Fire Dubas, bring in a new GM to clean house, send a few articles to the SUN, Toronto Star, TSN, Sportsnet etc that there's talk about the team asking Tavares to waive his NMC, put pressure on him through the media and get him to waive it. It's not even really an issue tbh.

 

[Dreakmur]

I could care less what Tavares wants. He has tens of millions of dollars, a super mansion and everything he needs in life 100 x over so i'm pretty sure he's going to be just fine if he we trade him. He isn't worth his contract and although I like him as a person and his effort, I'm not sure we will win with him. An 11 million dollar cap hit for a guy who's outside of the top 40 in point per game since 19/20 isn't cutting it. He's only been worth the money in 1 year. Leaf fans and media can make it really hard on players who don't produce. Forcing him out wouldn't even really be an issue if it comes to that but it's something I'd push next offseason if we flake out again not now. Fire Dubas, bring in a new GM to clean house, send a few articles to the SUN, Toronto Star, TSN, Sportsnet etc that there's talk about the team asking Tavares to waive his NMC, put pressure on him through the media and get him to waive it. It's not even really an issue tbh.

If we’re clearing house, a guy like Tavares would be very valuable during a rebuild.

 

[Death or Glory]

Mariner + Holl
For
Severson, McLeod, Mercer and Wood

 

[BlueForever75]

With the way the Leafs are playing, if they dont get out of this funk the logical player to be dealt for a shakeup is Reilly. Marner deal will not happen in season so we can all forget about that.

But with the prices being paid for dmen around the league, there would be heavy interest in acquiring Reilly. Getting a couple of players and/or picks may be the best medicine for the Leafs. Doing it now would also get them immediate help and higher compensation in my eyes giving the acquiring team a full season practically of Reilly.

 

[4thline]

If this weekend turns into a skid and we're making big moves by Christmas I think the first stop is the Rangers dangling Matthews. They've got the capspace, they've got the assets, and they've shown the appetite being in on Eichel. Gun for something around Laf+, likely taking Strome back to make their cap work.

 

[BlueForever75]

If this weekend turns into a skid and we're making big moves by Christmas I think the first stop is the Rangers dangling Matthews. They've got the capspace, they've got the assets, and they've shown the appetite being in on Eichel. Gun for something around Laf+, likely taking Strome back to make their cap work.

Sorry bud but Matthews is not being dealt. He's not the issue with this team.

Look for Marner and Reilly to be dealt before Matthews.

 

[4thline]

Sorry bud but Matthews is not being dealt. He's not the issue with this team.

Look for Marner and Reilly to be dealt before Matthews.

I don't want him to be, but it's looking more and more like what's wrong with this room is M&M, but for different reasons. If we're doing a hard retool move both, give the room back to JT and Rielly

 

[Legion34]

If this weekend turns into a skid and we're making big moves by Christmas I think the first stop is the Rangers dangling Matthews. They've got the capspace, they've got the assets, and they've shown the appetite being in on Eichel. Gun for something around Laf+, likely taking Strome back to make their cap work.

they don’t have the space though

they need to sign fox.
Panarin. Zibby. Trouba. Kroeber. All have NTC. You can’t move out big salaries really.

 

[4thline]

they don’t have the space though

they need to sign fox.
Panarin. Zibby. Trouba. Kroeber. All have NTC. You can’t move out big salaries really.

It's tight, but if they're willing to do it for Eichel they must have some kind of plan.

 

[Legion34]

It's tight, but if they're willing to do it for Eichel they must have some kind of plan.

my understanding is that was pre zibinijad. He just signed for 8.5 next year

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Sens fan here, was thinking about a Rielly trade to Seattle. Just seems to make a lot of sense to me:

1) Close to Rielly's home
2) Lots of cap space
3) A need for a long-term top pairing option
4) Several low-cost players

My thought was a combination of:
- Joonas Donskoi, 2yrs 3.9m (UFA)
- Jared McCann, 1yr 2.94m (RFA)
- Carson Soucy, 2yrs 2.75m (UFA)
- Haydn Fleury, 1yr 1.3m (RFA)
- Calle Jarnkrok, 1yr 2.0m (UFA)
- Joey Daccord, 2yrs 750k (RFA)
- Mason Appleton, 1yr 900k (RFA)
- Nathan Bastian, 2yrs 825k (RFA)
- William Borgen, 2yrs 900k (RFA)
- 2nd rounder
- 3rd rounder

Let's also assume that some degree of retention is on the table, if necessary.

From your perspective, is there a deal to be made for some combination of those pieces? Or is it too much quantity over quality?

 

[BlueForever75]

I don't want him to be, but it's looking more and more like what's wrong with this room is M&M, but for different reasons. If we're doing a hard retool move both, give the room back to JT and Rielly

I dont think that Matthews is the one causing the issues in the locker room. I have said this repeatedly on these forums that Marner has been a virus at all levels of hockey throughout his career. His father was his advocate. Without going into details once again, its Marner that needs to be eliminated from that dressing room. His persona becomes stale after awhile and his me first attitude needs to be shown the door.

 

[Magic Man]

Sens fan here, was thinking about a Rielly trade to Seattle. Just seems to make a lot of sense to me:

1) Close to Rielly's home
2) Lots of cap space
3) A need for a long-term top pairing option
4) Several low-cost players

My thought was a combination of:
- Joonas Donskoi, 2yrs 3.9m (UFA)
- Jared McCann, 1yr 2.94m (RFA)
- Carson Soucy, 2yrs 2.75m (UFA)
- Haydn Fleury, 1yr 1.3m (RFA)
- Calle Jarnkrok, 1yr 2.0m (UFA)
- Joey Daccord, 2yrs 750k (RFA)
- Mason Appleton, 1yr 900k (RFA)
- Nathan Bastian, 2yrs 825k (RFA)
- William Borgen, 2yrs 900k (RFA)
- 2nd rounder
- 3rd rounder

Let's also assume that some degree of retention is on the table, if necessary.

From your perspective, is there a deal to be made for some combination of those pieces? Or is it too much quantity over quality?

There is too much quantity in there. I actually don't see any quality. Mo Rielly is one the Leafs big chips if they plan to use him that way. At the deadline or sooner. 50% retained for a 1st and an A level prospect at minimum. He's dirt cheap and a #1 dman. No spare parts in this deal.

 

[SprDaVE]

Sens fan here, was thinking about a Rielly trade to Seattle. Just seems to make a lot of sense to me:

1) Close to Rielly's home
2) Lots of cap space
3) A need for a long-term top pairing option
4) Several low-cost players

My thought was a combination of:
- Joonas Donskoi, 2yrs 3.9m (UFA)
- Jared McCann, 1yr 2.94m (RFA)
- Carson Soucy, 2yrs 2.75m (UFA)
- Haydn Fleury, 1yr 1.3m (RFA)
- Calle Jarnkrok, 1yr 2.0m (UFA)
- Joey Daccord, 2yrs 750k (RFA)
- Mason Appleton, 1yr 900k (RFA)
- Nathan Bastian, 2yrs 825k (RFA)
- William Borgen, 2yrs 900k (RFA)
- 2nd rounder
- 3rd rounder

Let's also assume that some degree of retention is on the table, if necessary.

From your perspective, is there a deal to be made for some combination of those pieces? Or is it too much quantity over quality?

It does make some form of sense. Conversation starts with a 1st rounder though. No exceptions. There's no way you can convince me or anyone that Morgan Rielly and his value doesn't include a 1st round pick right now or at the trade deadline. That's the bare minimum to even get a conversation started about Morgan Rielly.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

It does make some form of sense. Conversation starts with a 1st rounder though. No exceptions. There's no way you can convince me or anyone that Morgan Rielly and his value doesn't include a 1st round pick right now or at the trade deadline. That's the bare minimum to even get a conversation started about Morgan Rielly.

For sure he could return a 1st, but I thought maybe 3 NHLers would be more appealing to Toronto than a mid 1st and a prospect. You guys are obviously still a good team, some good depth could go a long way imo.

There is too much quantity in there. I actually don't see any quality. Mo Rielly is one the Leafs big chips if they plan to use him that way. At the deadline or sooner. 50% retained for a 1st and an A level prospect at minimum. He's dirt cheap and a #1 dman. No spare parts in this deal.

I see 3 top 9fwds, a 4/5D, some 4th line/3rd pair players with upside... I think there are about 5 guys in that group who can immediately improve the Leafs lineup. Obviously Reilly is a big loss, but if you can improve in three different 15+ min a night slot, that's also a big gain.

Obviously I see what you're saying, I am just a little surprised that the target would be futures.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

For sure he could return a 1st, but I thought maybe 3 NHLers would be more appealing to Toronto than a mid 1st and a prospect. You guys are obviously still a good team, some good depth could go a long way imo.

I see 3 top 9fwds, a 4/5D, some 4th line/3rd pair players with upside... I think there are about 5 guys in that group who can immediately improve the Leafs lineup. Obviously Reilly is a big loss, but if you can improve in three different 15+ min a night slot, that's also a big gain.

Obviously I see what you're saying, I am just a little surprised that the target would be futures.

If the leafs are trading Rielly they are going for a retool. Plus they likely don't have the cap space to add 3 much lesser NHLers for Rielly

 

[SprDaVE]

For sure he could return a 1st, but I thought maybe 3 NHLers would be more appealing to Toronto than a mid 1st and a prospect. You guys are obviously still a good team, some good depth could go a long way imo.

I think the idea would be to completely reload instead of just accepting quantity. And also shedding cap space. This would give the Leafs future ammo and/or potentially players that might be part of a retool/rebuild.

1st round pick in 2021, cond. 1st pick in 2022 (if he doesn't resign, then it's a 2nd round pick) and a young player like Jeremy Lauzon. That's the bare minimum I'd expect and these prices have been paid many times for players of his ilk.

 

[dubplatepressure]

For sure he could return a 1st, but I thought maybe 3 NHLers would be more appealing to Toronto than a mid 1st and a prospect. You guys are obviously still a good team, some good depth could go a long way imo.

I see 3 top 9fwds, a 4/5D, some 4th line/3rd pair players with upside... I think there are about 5 guys in that group who can immediately improve the Leafs lineup. Obviously Reilly is a big loss, but if you can improve in three different 15+ min a night slot, that's also a big gain.

Obviously I see what you're saying, I am just a little surprised that the target would be futures.

IMO you aren't competing for quality with that list of assets anyway. It lacks the top-end necessary for Rielly (either pick, prospect, or player)

 

[meefer]

To the Ducks: Matthews, Ritchie, Holl
To the Leafs: Zegras, Drysdale, Comtois, 2nd

To NJ: Marner
To TO: Zacha, Woods, 2nd

To Seattle: Rielly, Kerfoot
To Toronto: Gio, McCann, 2nd

McCann, Tavares, Nylander
Woods, Zegras, Spezza
Comtois, Zacha, Simmonds
Bunting, Kampf, Mikheyev/Engvall

Muzzin Drysdale
Sandin Brodie
Gio Liljegren

Dermott, Robertson, Amirov and draft picks at the TDL to bolster.

 

[dubplatepressure]

To the Ducks: Matthews, Ritchie, Holl
To the Leafs: Zegras, Drysdale, Comtois, 2nd

To NJ: Marner
To TO: Zacha, Woods, 2nd

To Seattle: Rielly, Kerfoot
To Toronto: Gio, McCann, 2nd

McCann, Tavares, Nylander
Woods, Zegras, Spezza
Comtois, Zacha, Simmonds
Bunting, Kampf, Mikheyev/Engvall

Muzzin Drysdale
Sandin Brodie
Gio Liljegren

Dermott, Robertson, Amirov and draft picks at the TDL to bolster.

Ho boy. I don't like any of these. Why aren't we getting 1sts for any of Marner, Matthews, and Rielly?

 

[MarMarSab3]

Fun fact Jared McCann would be our leading scorer