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Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

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Colorado won the Stanley Cup with mediocre goaltending because they scored over 4 goals per game. If the Leafs want to go that route, it's probably never going to happen while bargain shopping in the summer. True that Bunting was such a rare productive bargain signing but the team would really need 2 more Buntings to get the type of offense that scores over 4 goals a game in playoff hockey.

Let's face it, it'd be lucky if there are 1 or 2 UFAs for the entire league with the surprise production of a 2021-22 Bunting. It's more likely to happen from internal promotion (only Robertson fits that potential bill).

Or from converting a $11M contract into 3 productive NHL forwards along the lines of Kadri ($4.5M), Nichushkin ($2.5M), Burakovsky ($4.9M). Or Killorn ($4.45M), Palat ($5.3M), Blake Coleman ($1.8M).
 
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TheShape said:
Total silence code with Lou regime was a bit over the top but on the flip side this current management group talk wayyy too much.

Lots of words and no substance, come off more as politicians.
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I don't get that sense. Dubas is more open to the media and gives detailed answers. I think you are mistaking well spoken for too much talking
 
Weekes saying fleury to minny

Soooo what does that mean for toronto

Colorado. Washington. Toronto. Edmonton

With jersey and buffalo looking.

If Colorado gets kuemper…..

Toronto. Washington. Edmonton. Jersey fighting for

Husso and Campbell.

Not the best.
 
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justashadowof said:
Colorado won the Stanley Cup with mediocre goaltending because they scored over 4 goals per game. If the Leafs want to go that route, it's probably never going to happen while bargain shopping in the summer. True that Bunting was such a rare productive bargain signing but the team would really need 2 more Buntings to get the type of offense that scores over 4 goals a game in playoff hockey.

Let's face it, it'd be lucky if there are 1 or 2 UFAs for the entire league with the surprise production of a 2021-22 Bunting. It's more likely to happen from internal promotion (only Robertson fits that potential bill).

Or from converting a $11M contract into 3 productive NHL forwards along the lines of Kadri ($4.5M), Nichushkin ($2.5M), Burakovsky ($4.9M). Or Killorn ($4.45M), Palat ($5.3M), Blake Coleman ($1.8M).
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Colorado has a D in Makar that can lead the best breakout I've ever seen which allows their offense to be so deadly on the rush.

We want to be that team but we don't have a D like Makar that can make it happen so it's not a model that you can easily achieve.
 
Legion34 said:
Weekes saying fleury to minny

Soooo what does that mean for toronto

Colorado. Washington. Toronto. Edmonton

With jersey and buffalo looking.

If Colorado gets kuemper…..

Toronto. Washington. Edmonton. Jersey fighting for

Husso and Campbell.

Not the best.
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Yeah was kinda hoping for a duo of Fleury with a younger guy with some upside.

Maybe it makes it easier to get rid of petr with more goalies going.

You just want to miss out on everyone then Leafs could be in some trouble. Maybe the trade route is best.
 
Legion34 said:
Weekes saying fleury to minny

Soooo what does that mean for toronto

Colorado. Washington. Toronto. Edmonton

With jersey and buffalo looking.

If Colorado gets kuemper…..

Toronto. Washington. Edmonton. Jersey fighting for

Husso and Campbell.

Not the best.
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Remember that Samsonov, Varlamov, Gibson, Blackwood, and maybe Georgiev would also be options for those teams (especially Samsonov/Blackwood if we are putting Washington and Jersey in the mix), and BUF looks like they are going UPL with Anderson next year.

Between Sanford, Elkin, and maybe Alm, we will see who they believe can be the best person to split the net with Mrazek (or someone else if we are getting Gibson/Varlamov), and we are not exactly asking for a lot out of any of them. I think any of them can be at least as good as Kuemper, or at least league average, and then we are in a pretty good spot. All of them are more than capable of being better than that too.
 
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ULF_55 said:
Does he have a family and young kids?

Kids don't put their life on hold for you.

Career earnings $78mm

So let's say the Sens do move their 7th. overall for a good player.
Then spend to the cap, they could add some good pieces.

Maybe, he sees that even when you're on one of the best teams in the league (Panthers 2021-2022) it doesn't mean squat as far as winning the Cup goes.

I agree an unlikely location, but maybe he's putting family first?
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This is the type of signing that the Sens desperately need to get some credibility and momentum going for a build up to a new arena downtow. They have begun signing young talent to long term expensive contracts. There’s a lot of talent there. If they overpay Giroux and have some success it could lead to other significant FAs considering them at least. They could really use a front office revamp once the dust settles post Melnyk.
I don’t know Giroux but know people who do, and they think if the Sens will pay him he’d be more than happy to sign. He’s not taking a discount on his last significant contract though.
 
The Podium said:
3 of our best players outside of Marner and Matthews were bargain hunts.

Campbell was a cheap backup that he acquired and transformed into a 1G. Bunting, Kampf and Kase were great, Mikheyev himself was a bargain bin free wallet.

Matthews, Marner and Nylander were homegrown talent who the GM kept around, not sure why Sandin is different other than being objectively worse.

He signed Gio to a bargain bin contract.

The Bargain bin hunting isn’t the problem. Especially when players will ask for more if there is more money available. Does Gio take 800k if the Leafs are flushed with cap? Probably not.

Other good GMs don’t fill their bottom 6 with players between 750k-1.5? Tampa paid less for their bottom 6 this season than the Leafs.

Not to say being tight to the cap is a good problem, obviously it would be helpful to have some wiggle room. But I think the bargain bin “problem” is overstated.
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My biggest problem with bargain bin is we cant keep them and we have to start All over and hope we get another bunting or mikeyev.
After this year if for an example bunting gets 60 points how can we affird him. He is gone and we are back to hoping we can hit on another bunting. Our main problem is top heavy. All the bargain bin players have to hit for us to be successful. Our gm wont do the hard moves to redistribute the cap. If we had mcdonough do you think dubas would say to him we want to trade you if you don’t waive your ntc we will put you on waivers and we have a deal with columbus to claim you. Tampa gm will do anything to win a cup. We just keep arranging the deck chairs on the titanic
 
notdoneyet said:
My biggest problem with bargain bin is we cant keep them and we have to start All over and hope we get another bunting or mikeyev.
After this year if for an example bunting gets 60 points how can we affird him. He is gone and we are back to hoping we can hit on another bunting. Our main problem is top heavy. All the bargain bin players have to hit for us to be successful. Our gm wont do the hard moves to redistribute the cap. If we had mcdonough do you think dubas would say to him we want to trade you if you don’t waive your ntc we will put you on waivers and we have a deal with columbus to claim you. Tampa gm will do anything to win a cup. We just keep arranging the deck chairs on the titanic
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Every teams lose players for cap reasons… even Tampa. They chose losing their #2D and are also just rearranging the deck chairs.

That’s the nature of the cap.
 
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Fleury can't talk to other teams for a bit, same for everyone. So it's a smart play to go the listening phase to see what kind of offers you can get. You'd be crazy to settle unless it was too good.
 
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The Podium said:
Every teams lose players for cap reasons… even Tampa. They choose losing their #2D and are also just rearranging the deck chairs.

That’s the nature of the cap.
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They arent rearranging the deck chairs. They realize their number 2 dman is slowing down and is on the wrong side of 30 and they need to keep the younger more important players like palat etc
Our gm doesnt realize our number 2 center is slowing down and is on the wring side of 30 and we lose sandin mikeyev and eventually bunting.
 
stickty111 said:
I don't get that sense. Dubas is more open to the media and gives detailed answers. I think you are mistaking well spoken for too much talking
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Yeah I don’t mean anything in regards to leaks. Wish I could explain it better, there’s well spoken and there is saying nothing really. I don’t care for an explanation on why Mrazek was signed and the whole spiel about belief again. Then a somewhat no nonsense stance when it comes to Sandin.

I don’t know, maybe it’s just me and the overall frustration at this point I feel as a fan.
 
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