Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[Warden of the North]

Why would the Leafs move him as a cap dump?

Seems like terrible asset management for a guy with a lot of value.

I don't think he's worth much at all, to be honest.

Essentially a flat cap means space needs to be found somewhere.

 

[stickty111]

Maybe good news on Mrazek.

Praising the player but he also left out something important like bringing the player back.

 

[ULF_55]

Scouting is on trial.

 

[Warden of the North]

I expect most trashing him in his thread would be consistent and be happy to move him.

I think that would be a poor move.

It would be exceptionally hard to find a better 2nd line C for less then 50% of JTs cap hit, so what's the point? If they took him at full value, sure, go for it

 

[OVO16]

Holding out hope for a JT Miller + Luke Schenn trade.

Have a feeling Vancouver will want Knies back. Hard pass on that

 

[ULF_55]

I think that would be a poor move.

It would be exceptionally hard to find a better 2nd line C for less then 50% of JTs cap hit, so what's the point? If they took him at full value, sure, go for it

50% is probably a little high, but really would depend on the return.

Yeah, getting a near PPG center for 5.5 is tough to do.

 

[Buds17]

Obviously, cap space, and maybe a couple assets coming back.

Unless those potential assets cost less than 5.5M, the retention makes this deal a cap neutral one. Mind you, I can't see Tavares waiving for either team to begin with.

 

[hamzarocks]

Bruh Sandin when 88 and 16 were holding out and driving leaf fans crazy they were doing so as high 1st rounders who were quality 1st line or in marners case a star player

Sandin your a slightly worse player than Justin Holl right now

Take a bridge, play good hockey, beat out Muzzin or Giordano and then get a better deal on your next contract

Zach Hyman, Connor Brown, Kasperi Kapanen, Andreas Johnsson were better players/more important when they signed their deals and none of those guys gave us any issues on their 2nd deals

1.25-1.75 by 2 years is fair and should be what Sandin gets

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I don't think he's worth much at all, to be honest.

Essentially a flat cap means space needs to be found somewhere.

There will always be a market for 20+ minute RD who can bring everything that Holl can bring. A 2nd round pick for a full year of him is excellent value for a lot of teams out there.

All we are going to have to do is see what guys like Manson will get in UFA.

The real question is that if we don't need to make room for Sandin or someone else who needs ice time, then what incentive do the Leafs, a competitive team who needs a guy like Holl for their own Cup run, have to move him? We are not going to get a ton of cap savings at that spot unless we are downgrading it, can find a young guy to fill the hole, or we get lucky on a bargain bin guy.

 

[SprDaVE]

Praising the player but he also left out something important like bringing the player back.

I want him gone for a few reasons but I think there's a small chance they keep him while changing up Campbell for another option. If it doesn't work out, I think they'll just waive him and buy him out next off-season.

I just don't think they have any reason to attach an asset with him, so it's either a soft dump or just take the chance he'll bounce back.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Kyle Dubas: Pre-Draft Media Availability - July 6, 2022

July 6, 2022

Toronto Maple Leafs

Toronto Maple Leafs General Manager Kyle Dubas speaks with the media Wednesday ahead of the 2022 NHL Draft.

 

[Burnie97]

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

So would you do Tavares to Ottawa or Buffalo with 50% retention?

Can we get a better than PPG Center for the $5.5M we free up? No?

Then absolutely not.

Yea if somebody wants to sign Rasmus to an offer sheet go right ahead lol

Sandin at $1.8M x 3 or give him the same deal as Lily, but I wouldn't offer a penny more.

 

[The Management]

Comparator for Sandin maybe? Similar numbers, more offensive upside in Boqvist. Sandin a bit more physical, better in his own end.

 

[Jozay]

 

[Americanadian]

As someone who lives in the Detroit area and would like to see the team get better I don't see why Yzerman wouldn't offer Sandin 4Mx5. He can very likely be a 4M player on Detroit's 2nd pair for the price of a 2nd. Toronto can't match unless they move Muzzin.

 

[hamzarocks]

Thought this was 7.8M per year

2.6M for Boqvist on 3 years. Give Sandin 1.75x2

 

[Nylander88]

As someone who lives in the Detroit area and would like to see the team get better I don't see why Yzerman wouldn't offer Sandin 4Mx5. He can very likely be a 4M player on Detroit's 2nd pair for the price of a 2nd. Toronto can't match unless they move Muzzin.

Why offer sheet? At this point I'm sure Dubas' would ship him to ya for a 2nd and let you guys negotiate something better than 4mil for a guy who is currently a 6-7 Dman who doesn't skate the greatest and makes some serious brain farts with the puck. The potential for top 4 is there for sure, but he's still young and is basically disgruntled cuz he can look at our lineup and see he's behind Rielly, Brodie, Muzzin, Giordano, Liljegren, and Holl for playing time. Don't see why Detroit would go all out like that.
Side note, says a lot to me about his personality that he doesn't think he can beat out an aging vet like Muzzin or Gio, and doesn't think he can play his right side to surpass his fellow swede Lilly, or a guy that his the scapegoat of the D in Holl. Instead of putting his head down and going to work, he's whining. I'd be happy to see him go at this point

 

[Americanadian]

Why offer sheet? At this point I'm sure Dubas' would ship him to ya for a 2nd and let you guys negotiate something better than 4mil for a guy who is currently a 6-7 Dman who doesn't skate the greatest and makes some serious brain farts with the puck. The potential for top 4 is there for sure, but he's still young and is basically disgruntled cuz he can look at our lineup and see he's behind Rielly, Brodie, Muzzin, Giordano, Liljegren, and Holl for playing time. Don't see why Detroit would go all out like that

As a Leafs fan I'd be disappointed if Dubas let Sandin go for a 2nd. I suppose I think more highly of the player than you.

 

[ACC1224]

As a Leafs fan I'd be disappointed if Dubas let Sandin go for a 2nd. I suppose I think more highly of the player than you.

I’d agree but you also can’t overpay him.
IMO he has to slot in under Lilligren or it’s an overpay. If he won’t take it, move on.

 

[Nylander88]

As a Leafs fan I'd be disappointed if Dubas let Sandin go for a 2nd. I suppose I think more highly of the player than you.

You for sure do. He was an end of the 1st round guy as is. Undersized, makes mental errors similar to Dermott, and isn't a great skater. And clearly has no interest in putting his head down and going to work to steal a job from anyone. Gio can play right side too if need be, if Sandin is scared of it. So he's got no faith in outplaying Lilly or Holl so he wants a clear path to big minutes that're unearned and or decent money above his comparables. Not worth the headache. Move along. Set the tone for up and coming kids that not everyone is going to get the Marner ot Nylander treatment.

 

[thinkblue]

You for sure do. He was an end of the 1st round guy as is. Undersized, makes mental errors similar to Dermott, and isn't a great skater. And clearly has no interest in putting his head down and going to work to steal a job from anyone. Gio can play right side too if need be, if Sandin is scared of it. So he's got no faith in outplaying Lilly or Holl so he wants a clear path to big minutes that're unearned and or decent money above his comparables. Not worth the headache. Move along. Set the tone for up and coming kids that not everyone is going to get the Marner ot Nylander treatment.

Most of this is baseless.

 

[garce]

As someone who lives in the Detroit area and would like to see the team get better I don't see why Yzerman wouldn't offer Sandin 4Mx5. He can very likely be a 4M player on Detroit's 2nd pair for the price of a 2nd. Toronto can't match unless they move Muzzin.

I’d expect as the GM of a rebuilding team Yzerman may be hesitant to break the gentleman’s agreement (for lack of a better term) that seems to prevail over the (mostly) staid nhl hierarchy. As a guy who is likely going to have a ton of RFAs in the next few years he may want to be cautious over breaking the code in case it becomes a regular weapon at a time when his team is up against the cap. Maybe he’ll risk it but I doubt it if it’s a less than sure thing player like Sandin even if it’s only a 2nd

 

[WTFMAN99]

"We'll have a better sense of our goaltending situation for next year in the next 24-48 hours" - Kyle Davidson

 

[BertCorbeau]

Zadarov looking for $4.5 x 4 years yikes