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To be honest, I don’t think I’d totally hate a Muzzin for Iafallo type of deal one for one.

And to anyone who wants PoolParty, ew :confused:

That guy is an absolute donkey of a hockey player with the worst finishing ability I’ve ever seen. 36 measily points playing a lot with McDavid and the attitude issues he’s had, I couldn’t be more out on signing that turd, especially for the money he could get.
 
jaric1862 said:
According to 32 thoughts pod, it’s down to Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Colorado and Toronto for Fleury.

Pitt just re-signed DeSmith, and Friedman went on to say that it looks like Kuemper is going to stay In Colorado.

Leaves TOR and MIN as two spots for him, let’s hope it’s us.
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Unless he's willing to play for like 1 mil, I've got a really hard time seeing the Wild make it work.

He's probably going to be cheapish, but not that cheap.
 
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Seems like Fleury would be a good play for us. A 1 year deal would be good as we have Bunting up next year and Fleury is quite old
 
Pretty torn between MAF and Husso. Other can be good stop gap for one or two seasons, if he can regain his form. It isn't given and he isn't famous of handling pressure in the playoffs. Husso could be long term future guy, but comes with risk of tanking out after good season and becoming burden. I though like his potential, one of those Finnish goalies I have kept my eye on and liked very very much.

MAF and Toronto could be win-win, but my "goalie guy" had fair bit of good arguments critique towards MAF last season. Saying that he tweaked his technique after Vezina season and seemed bit odd compared to that. Thought about injury or just losing a step and trying to adjust.

Have to say about Pulju, that he got everything pretty easy until he was 18yo and haven't been able to adjust. Seems like he isn't the brightest of the bunch, have been said having pretty good work morale, but I don't know if it covers it, since you have be smart when you work. His finishing has been problem for him for long time and haven't figure it out. Will be interesting to see how he progresses from here on out, would happily watch that progress from far out and not as a Maple Leafs fan hoping for the best.
 
Rielly4 said:
Seems like Fleury would be a good play for us. A 1 year deal would be good as we have Bunting up next year and Fleury is quite old
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I'm coming around to it. Not because I like him as an option, but because I don't like any of the options and he could buy us a year to figure out a more longterm solution without giving up assets (eg Varlamov) or committing to a risky 3+ year contract (eg Husso).

Ideally MAF would be paired with a buy low younger guy like Blackwood (assuming low trade cost and shorter cheaper deal for Blackwood). Comrie also a low risk option with some potential.
 
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I don't understand how we afford any big ticket goalie.

It's not just Mrazek, other significant salary would have to go out.

Also, I've seen some posts about moving Willy for picks. Is there anything to this or is it just internet blathering? I cannot see it given his contract status, at least for reasonably high picks.
 
Rielly4 said:
Seems like Fleury would be a good play for us. A 1 year deal would be good as we have Bunting up next year and Fleury is quite old
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Last time we had a goalie we could trust in the big moments, was Belfour. I think people forget we brought him in when he was 38 and he gave us 2 solid years. Both he and Fleury, are hall of fame caliber goalies. Husso could get a 5mil per x 5yr Ullmark type deal and absolutely flop for all we know...the sample size is so small. Fleury likely if he were to choose us, would want 2 years to make sure he stays close to his hometown of Quebec for when retirement arrives. Wouldn't be shocked if Fleury ends up costing us 4mil per x 2yrs... and personally, I'd do it
 
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Menzinger said:
Unless he's willing to play for like 1 mil, I've got a really hard time seeing the Wild make it work.

He's probably going to be cheapish, but not that cheap.
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Minnesota has a fully signed defense and no RFA forwards plus $6M in cap space. They don't seem that stretched to me.
 
SnizzNasty88 said:
To be honest, I don’t think I’d totally hate a Muzzin for Iafallo type of deal one for one.

And to anyone who wants PoolParty, ew :confused:

That guy is an absolute donkey of a hockey player with the worst finishing ability I’ve ever seen. 36 measily points playing a lot with McDavid and the attitude issues he’s had, I couldn’t be more out on signing that turd, especially for the money he could get.
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Leafs wouldn't be one of the teams giving him big money.
 
If Dubas can convince Muzzin to accept a trade, it's going to be one of those situations where you don't win the trade in terms of assets other than the freed cap space. How about Muzzin ($1.2M retained) for Carl Grundstrom and Akil Thomas? Looks better than it is but still isn't nothing. Grundstrom is a cheap serviceable grunt. Thomas seems to be a bit of a bust but may still play in the NHL. That $4.4M of cap space would be very helpful.
 
justashadowof said:
If Dubas can convince Muzzin to accept a trade, it's going to be one of those situations where you don't win the trade in terms of assets other than the freed cap space. How about Muzzin ($1.2M retained) for Carl Grundstrom and Akil Thomas? Looks better than it is but still isn't nothing. Grundstrom is a cheap serviceable grunt. Thomas seems to be a bit of a bust but may still play in the NHL. That $4.4M of cap space would be very helpful.
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Tampa didn’t have to retain a penny on that McDonagh contract that has another 4 years at 6+ million per year… I wouldn’t be retaining anything on the Muzzin contract especially if we’re already not getting equal value back.
 
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mccabe2424 said:
Wish we just kept durzi and moore
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More revisionist BS from fans. As if we would have been better these past years with Durzi and Moore. Fans will complain when we don't improve the team, fans will complain when we've objectively improved the team, and that player nears the end of his shelf life.... which isn't necessarily the case with Muzzin yet.
 
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Holl for Pul he's like a baby deer out there and seems like he doesn't have a lot of tools in the toolbox but I liked his compete and his size is there as he grows into it....he's also got a chip on his shoulders.

also, I've always thought leafs should target Clutterbuck as someone with a connection to JT and his style would be a good fit.
 
mccabe2424 said:
Wish we just kept durzi and moore
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those were different trades

I also just find this a strange viewpoint. I think people forget that "present for future" trades are always going to look worse ~4 years later.

Muzzin was really good for us for awhile while the Kings didn't get a lot of production from that trade for years. Now that Muzzin is getting older and a guy like Durzi is maturing, the value is changing. But that's typical of these types of trades.

I understand people are upset because we haven't won but trading for Muzzin and Campbell were both good moves at the time. I don't know how you justify not trying to improve the present with the talent we've had.
 
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TheDoldrums said:
those were different trades

I also just find this a strange viewpoint. I think people forget that "present for future" trades are always going to look worse ~4 years later.

Muzzin was really good for us for awhile while the Kings didn't get a lot of production from that trade for years. Now that Muzzin is getting older and a guy like Durzi is maturing, the value is changing. But that's typical of these types of trades.

I understand people are upset because we haven't won but trading for Muzzin and Campbell were both good moves at the time. I don't know how you justify not trying to improve the present with the talent we've had.
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I guess you have to draft and develop goalies ... but that issue isn't the current management issue, it predates them.
Without doing the research, I believe goalies take a few years so Campbell wouldn't have been needed if the Leafs had drafted NHL goalies about a 5-8 years ago.
 
SprDaVE said:
I'm kind of surprised by the lack of chatter, smoke and movement so far. Usually there's a lot more rumblings as you lead into the first day of the draft around the league.
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Indeed, let's hope for some action today.
 
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