Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[ToneDog]

I think we made also better job with contract length, were not paying for those declining years like Tampa is going to with McDonagh.

Good luck getting him waiwe with that team and taxation. It won't be easy. We don't have contracts that we have to desperately trade away.

Which doesn't mean that we couldn't allocate our cap better by trading Tavares. It's also one way road once you decide to do that it's hard to turn back.

Will be interesting negotiations on Tampa with McDonagh. You immediately lose some credibility towards players when you negotiate lower cap number and then ask them to waiwe. They did it already with Johnson.

Did it to JT Miller and went on to win 2 SCs.

J.T. Miller signed a 5 year, $26,250,000 contract with the Tampa Bay Lightning on Jun. 26, 2018.

Miller was traded on June 22, 2019, prior to his Modified NTC coming into effect, giving Vancouver the option of voiding clause. CapFriendly has confirmed that Vancouver did not honor his trade clause.

 

[deprw]

Did it to JT Miller and went on to win 2 SCs.

J.T. Miller signed a 5 year, $26,250,000 contract with the Tampa Bay Lightning on Jun. 26, 2018.

Miller was traded on June 22, 2019, prior to his Modified NTC coming into effect, giving Vancouver the option of voiding clause. CapFriendly has confirmed that Vancouver did not honor his trade clause.

It would be nice to be in situation where other player is pushing Nylander out of the picture and we could trade him for assets that we could turn into other players. I'm pretty open to trading Muzzin or Brodie this off-season to bolster our goaltending and offense. Don't know if there is a chance or market, since Muzzin is having NTC but would like to think that LA is possibility.

If we explore those options I assume there is no leaks, but we'll see.

 

[Stephen]

I think we made also better job with contract length, were not paying for those declining years like Tampa is going to with McDonagh.

Good luck getting him waiwe with that team and taxation. It won't be easy. We don't have contracts that we have to desperately trade away.

Which doesn't mean that we couldn't allocate our cap better by trading Tavares. It's also one way road once you decide to do that it's hard to turn back.

Will be interesting negotiations on Tampa with McDonagh. You immediately lose some credibility towards players when you negotiate lower cap number and then ask them to waiwe. They did it already with Johnson.

I think the practical difference here is Tampa has McDonagh type defensemen throughout the lineup at different ages and price points and ability from cheap and old like Bogosian to cheap and young like Cal Foote. Toronto is in the same bind but guys like Sandin, Niemela, Hollowell, on down cannot replicate any part of Muzzin’s grit game.

 

[PromoterDave]

Would be crazy if the Leafs traded Kerfoot, Muzzin and Mrazek out and signed Fleury (7 mil x 1) + Kadri (7 mil x 7) + Subban (900k x 1) + Leivo (750k x 1)

Bunting Matthews Marner
Kadri Tavares Nylander
Engvall Kampf Leivo
Clifford Abrussese Simmonds

Rielly Subban
Brodie Holl
Giordano Liljegren

Fleury
Kallgren

Sandin

Wouldn't mind running this roster

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think the practical difference here is Tampa has McDonagh type defensemen throughout the lineup at different ages and price points and ability from cheap and old like Bogosian to cheap and young like Cal Foote. Toronto is in the same bind but guys like Sandin, Niemela, Hollowell, on down cannot replicate any part of Muzzin’s grit game.

That's a big problem in how we draft too. You can't find these gritty guys for the bottom of our line up and none of them project to.

5'10 guy who's used to being a scorer isn't gonna morph into a bottom 6 pk type. I don't think we should draft low upside but draft some bigger guys in the lower rounds and maybe he's a top 6 PWF or 2nd pairing 2-way guy but they have the ability because of size+speed+iq to contribute as a physical 3rd pairing guy or a physical 4th line guy etc.

Knies is the only guy they've really added into the system that has some nasty in him, some of those checks he threw in season last year, fantastic.

 

[Menzinger]

That's a big problem in how we draft too. You can't find these gritty guys for the bottom of our line up and none of them project to.

5'10 guy who's used to being a scorer isn't gonna morph into a bottom 6 pk type. I don't think we should draft low upside but draft some bigger guys in the lower rounds and maybe he's a top 6 PWF or 2nd pairing 2-way guy but they have the ability because of size+speed+iq to contribute as a physical 3rd pairing guy or a physical 4th line guy etc.

Knies is the only guy they've really added into the system that has some nasty in him, some of those checks he threw in season last year, fantastic.

I get the case.flr diversity at the draft - and don't even disagree with it overall. BUT it's worth noting we took a fair amount of these bigger bodies types in the '16 and '17 cases and none of them came close to making it so far

 

[All Mod Cons]

I get the case.flr diversity at the draft - and don't even disagree with it overall. BUT it's worth noting we took a fair amount of these bigger bodies types in the '16 and '17 cases and none of them came close to making it so far

Other teams have managed to find those bigger body types that can play. That's how they're in the league. I don't think we need to avoid them just because we drafted poorly previously. We just need to identify the correct ones.

I wouldn't expect us to stay away from Russians, just because none of them drafted have panned out for us.

 

[nuck]

Why the €%#* does every single thread get derailed and toxic about the pro dubas crowd or the anti dubas crowd. Actual hockey discussion is why I come here not this kindergarten stuff. A ffs can we stop talking about Lou.

Biggest criticism of Dubas is the money he spent on our top players. It was a lot. Fact. They are great players. Fact. The cap was supposed to raise dramatically but instead the pandemic screwed us. Fact. Put it to bed.

Tavares is probably the next biggest criticism, but when a player of that calibre wants to come home…..it wasn’t a crazy thought to try and speed up the rebuild. It definitely seems to be holding us back right now. But he’s still a very effective player.

No all his moves aren’t awesome. But he is a solid GM who doesn’t seem to make panic moves to try and ‘save his job’. He addresses weaknesses in the team. If they don’t work out he addresses that.

Dubas haters seem to bang that drum any chance they get which is absolute nonsense, and causes other posters to passionately try and show where they are mistaken. Causing this forum to completely derail.

Rant over lol.

Common Trades

Edit - Doesn't belong in trade thread.

 

[Burnie97]

Would be crazy if the Leafs traded Kerfoot, Muzzin and Mrazek out and signed Fleury (7 mil x 1) + Kadri (7 mil x 7) + Subban (900k x 1) + Leivo (750k x 1)

Bunting Matthews Marner
Kadri Tavares Nylander
Engvall Kampf Leivo
Clifford Abrussese Simmonds

Rielly Subban
Brodie Holl
Giordano Liljegren

Fleury
Kallgren

Sandin

Wouldn't mind running this roster

They'll never bring back Kadri but if so.... for fun... they should put JT as wing and Kadri C.

 

[Stephen]

I get the case.flr diversity at the draft - and don't even disagree with it overall. BUT it's worth noting we took a fair amount of these bigger bodies types in the '16 and '17 cases and none of them came close to making it so far

A diverse pipeline is an absolute must. You want to take home run swings at guys who you think can be a Point Kaprizov in the later rounds, but that doesn’t mean every skill guy has that in them. And at the other end of the spectrum you need to draft guys who can be a bigger body bottom six guy and can be promoted to the responsibilities in those roles.

 

[Kiwi]

I get the case.flr diversity at the draft - and don't even disagree with it overall. BUT it's worth noting we took a fair amount of these bigger bodies types in the '16 and '17 cases and none of them came close to making it so far

If those big guys can't skate they are completely ******* unless

Low IQ non skating refrigerators are pretty poor bets it turns out

 

[arso40]

Would be crazy if the Leafs traded Kerfoot, Muzzin and Mrazek out and signed Fleury (7 mil x 1) + Kadri (7 mil x 7) + Subban (900k x 1) + Leivo (750k x 1)

Bunting Matthews Marner
Kadri Tavares Nylander
Engvall Kampf Leivo
Clifford Abrussese Simmonds

Rielly Subban
Brodie Holl
Giordano Liljegren

Fleury
Kallgren

Sandin

Wouldn't mind running this roster

Way too top heavy and I’d rather gio with tj and sandman with lily

 

[horner]

I think we made also better job with contract length, were not paying for those declining years like Tampa is going to with McDonagh.

Good luck getting him waiwe with that team and taxation. It won't be easy. We don't have contracts that we have to desperately trade away.

Which doesn't mean that we couldn't allocate our cap better by trading Tavares. It's also one way road once you decide to do that it's hard to turn back.

Will be interesting negotiations on Tampa with McDonagh. You immediately lose some credibility towards players when you negotiate lower cap number and then ask them to waiwe. They did it already with Johnson.

If McDonagh played for the leaf's his contract length would be fine since we never make it past the first rd .
He has played an extra 70 games in the playoffs, tougher games than the regular season.

 

[Dreakmur]

If McDonagh played for the leaf's his contract length would be fine since we never make it past the first rd .
He has played an extra 70 games in the playoffs, tougher games than the regular season.

He’s the same age as Muzzin and plays the same physical style, so it’s no surprise they’re both starting to break down. Turns out 2000 blocked shots and 1500 body checks do damage to the body.

McDonagh has always been a much better skater than Muzzin, so he can probably decline a bit more gracefully. Though he’s played a lot of playoff hockey - he’s made the playoffs every single year of his career and only failed to advance past the first round 3 times. Muzzin, on the other hand, hasn’t been out of the first round since winning the cup in 2014.

 

[Bigmarycombo]

July’s 11 is when RFA’S get qualified
Will be interesting who doesn’t get qualified

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

Friedman's 32 thoughts:

- sandin situation is still worth watching as it's more complicated than they would have hoped.
- mentions hes curious how Kuemper would view Toronto if he hits the open market.
- mentioned Nichuskin would be a perfect fit but we don't know if he would be available.
- maybe max domo fits
- longshot prediction that the Leafs look at Giroux but someone big would have to go to make that work

 

[BertCorbeau]

Friedman's 32 thoughts:

- sandin situation is still worth watching as it's more complicated than they would have hoped.
- mentions hes curious how Kuemper would view Toronto if he hits the open market.
- mentioned Nichuskin would be a perfect fit but we don't know if he would be available.
- maybe max domo fits
- longshot prediction that the Leafs look at Giroux but someone big would have to go to make that work

Sounds like Friedman doesn’t know anything and he’s just throwing shit at the wall.

 

[Stand Witness]

Sounds like Friedman doesn’t know anything and he’s just throwing shit at the wall.

I think they are just careful on their wording.

Speculation from Freidman is informed speculation. Something to what he is saying but also aware he needs clicks.

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Anyways, one of the things I wanted the Leafs to do was bring in a different, high skill piece. The idea of moving Nylander for assets and then bringing in a guy like Giroux is really appealing. I would guess Giroux comes at a fair cap hit too. He wants to win and knows he would need to take a team friendly deal.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

I think they are just careful on their wording.

Speculation from Freidman is informed speculation. Something to what he is saying but also aware he needs clicks.

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Anyways, one of the things I wanted the Leafs to do was bring in a different, high skill piece. The idea of moving Nylander for assets and then bringing in a guy like Giroux is really appealing. I would guess Giroux comes at a fair cap hit too. He wants to win and knows he would need to take a team friendly deal.

The assets for Nylander better be damn good, because you’re making the team worse with him out the door and Giroux in

 

[Smif]

Flurey seems like a workable option if they can also find a way to get a younger guy with upside to be the backup/1b in the tandem

This is what I am hoping for as well, a Fleury / Blackwood tandem.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I think they are just careful on their wording.

Speculation from Freidman is informed speculation. Something to what he is saying but also aware he needs clicks.

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Anyways, one of the things I wanted the Leafs to do was bring in a different, high skill piece. The idea of moving Nylander for assets and then bringing in a guy like Giroux is really appealing. I would guess Giroux comes at a fair cap hit too. He wants to win and knows he would need to take a team friendly deal.

I would say that many people are capable of "informed speculation" too.

 

[Legion34]

Friedman's 32 thoughts:

- sandin situation is still worth watching as it's more complicated than they would have hoped.
- mentions hes curious how Kuemper would view Toronto if he hits the open market.
- mentioned Nichuskin would be a perfect fit but we don't know if he would be available.
- maybe max domo fits
- longshot prediction that the Leafs look at Giroux but someone big would have to go to make that work

He stole my giroux prediction


Wants to win. Wants to be near ottawa. Sounds like us.

 

[ACC1224]

He stole my giroux prediction


Wants to win. Wants to be near ottawa. Sounds like us.

Close friends with Marner as well.

 

[Legion34]

Close friends with Marner as well.

It’s possible for 6 million with 5.5 on goalies. The bottom 6 are placeholders for salary.

Still have 625 k to spare. That would accrue for the first month or so.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I'd rather spend 5.5 mill per year on Nichushkin. Hes so good defensively, can play physical and can keep up with will in the speed department.