Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[deprw]

I think the practical difference here is Tampa has McDonagh type defensemen throughout the lineup at different ages and price points and ability from cheap and old like Bogosian to cheap and young like Cal Foote. Toronto is in the same bind but guys like Sandin, Niemela, Hollowell, on down cannot replicate any part of Muzzin’s grit game.

Same Bogosian we would have happily resigned, but who didn't want to play in Canada. Point taken though, but still it's worth while to drive that trade forward, because of that but at the same time it is risky and is telling that signing that contract didn't go as well as planned. Like it does matter at this point anyway for Tampa, but good luck trading McDonagh away. That contract is risky, he has NMC and will get paid less in almost any other city in the league.

This is good for us, since it can generate turmoil into that dress room.

 

[BallardEra]

Come on Dubas.

Waiting to see who he fleeces first.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'd rather spend 5.5 mill per year on Nichushkin. Hes so good defensively, can play physical and can keep up with will in the speed department.

I projected 4-5 years at 4.5-4.75M, not sure he touches that 5+ range

 

[TMLAM34]

I projected 4-5 years at 4.5-4.75M, not sure he touches that 5+ range

Ideally 4.75 on a 7 year term. I’d go as high as 5.5 though. He’s exactly what we need in the top six.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I projected 4-5 years at 4.5-4.75M, not sure he touches that 5+ range

Thats even better. I hope you are correct and hope we can lure him here.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Ideally 4.75 on a 7 year term. I’d go as high as 5.5 though. He’s exactly what we need in the top six.

Thats even better. I hope you are correct and hope we can lure him here.

It's a career year for a reason, Kerfoot outproduced him all the time. If he regresses back to normal, the contract becomes an albatross, you gotta be careful.

My #1 choice is still Palat for 2nd line LW with JT if he somehow gets loose.

 

[nuck]

That's a big problem in how we draft too. You can't find these gritty guys for the bottom of our line up and none of them project to.

5'10 guy who's used to being a scorer isn't gonna morph into a bottom 6 pk type. I don't think we should draft low upside but draft some bigger guys in the lower rounds and maybe he's a top 6 PWF or 2nd pairing 2-way guy but they have the ability because of size+speed+iq to contribute as a physical 3rd pairing guy or a physical 4th line guy etc.

Knies is the only guy they've really added into the system that has some nasty in him, some of those checks he threw in season last year, fantastic.

The draft pattern has been interesting. Lilley took over after the 2018 draft but that was probably his. A lot of the scouts, Lilley included were around before and after Hunter so the trending is more likely Lilley's than Dubas's.

The GM might say "let there be skills and dangles" but it would be suicide to depart too far from BPA to enforce that. Maybe a pick here and there for guys who are both close but they can't ignore their list. Robertson had to be close to BPA to most teams by the time he went and Abruzzese was a shrimp but skilled as hell and it was a late pick.

Wes Clark was a Dubas boy from day 1 so if anything he should be more reflective of what the GM wants than Lilley was. But also more Ontario based so will see if that influences his drafting. I am looking forward to seeing what he goes after. Just wish they had a couple more mid round selections.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

It's a career year for a reason, Kerfoot outproduced him all the time. If he regresses back to normal, the contract becomes an albatross, you gotta be careful.

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My #1 choice is still Palat for 2nd line LW with JT if he somehow gets loose.

I like all of palat, Nuke, Copp, Marchment. Obviously different cap hits but I believe all of those players bring somthing the team lacks.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The draft pattern has been interesting. Lilley took over after the 2018 draft but that was probably his. A lot of the scouts, Lilley included were around before and after Hunter so the trending is more likely Lilley's than Dubas's.

The GM might say "let there be skills and dangles" but it would be suicide to depart too far from BPA to enforce that. Maybe a pick here and there for guys who are both close but they can't ignore their list. Robertson had to be close to BPA to most teams by the time he went and Abruzzese was a shrimp but skilled as hell and it was a late pick.

Wes Clark was a Dubas boy from day 1 so if anything he should be more reflective of what the GM wants than Lilley was. But also more Ontario based so will see if that influences his drafting. I am looking forward to seeing what he goes after. Just wish they had a couple more mid round selections.

I agree with all of this, don't reach, don't do something stupid but if you're getting down to round 4-7 - if you have 2 guys close on your list...maybe let size be a thing...again, it just gives you flexibility down the line for the guy being able to take a roster spot.

I look at a guy like Engvall, he skates like the wind and had size. You let him sit and develop in the Swedish leagues for a bit, see what becomes of it. Does he get good defensively? Offensively? The tools he had made him an option for multiple things but ultimately he's a pretty good bottom 6 guy now to play tough minutes for us. Not saying he couldn't be fast and good defensively at 5'10 but it 6'4 helps too.

I like all of palat, Nuke, Copp, Marchment. Obviously different cap hits but I believe all of those players bring somthing the team lacks.

Yeah agreed.

 

[Sypher04]

I’m not entirely against the idea of Giroux centering the second line with JT and Willy. I’ve been advocating for finding a way to move JT to the wing at this point, but that’s hard to do given his faceoffs proficiency without someone similarly good coming in to take that spot. Not interested at all at 6m though. Too many hoops for us to jump through with our other salaries to make that work. I don’t wanna see us even further imbalance our forward vs D/goaltending spending

 

[Stephen]

I don't like the idea of Sandin receiving media focus in terms of his next contract or future role this early in his development. The sole focus for that player should be to get better, steal jobs and force someone else out. Not this protracted series of conversations with the organization - if reports are to be believed.

 

[Sypher04]

I don't like the idea of Sandin receiving media focus in terms of his next contract or future role this early in his development. The sole focus for that player should be to get better, steal jobs and force someone else out. Not this protracted series of conversations with the organization - if reports are to be believed.

I’m not really sure I understand why the media believes this negotiation to be a complicated one. Sandin is a fine young D, but he’s proven essentially nothing yet at this level and he has little to no leverage

 

[I am Canadian]

I could definitely see Domi come for 1x1 to try and revitalize his career for a bigger payday

Sandin has the same agent as Nylander, I indicated long ago that this was going to be a problem as soon as we saw Sandin get some time in the NHL. Unfortunately looks like we will go down that route

 

[Sypher04]

Honest question from someone who admittedly watched very little of Jersey, does Subban have anything left in the tank?

 

[TMLAM34]

Yeah I don’t think the issue is the contract, probably more so promising him a full time NHL job next season.

Honest question from someone who admittedly watched very little of Jersey, does Subban have anything left in the tank?

A lot of people say no. The few games I’ve seen him play, he wasn’t bad especially for a third pair, second PP player who brings leadership and heart. But I feel like with Giordano returning, no need for Subban.

 

[deprw]

I’m not entirely against the idea of Giroux centering the second line with JT and Willy. I’ve been advocating for finding a way to move JT to the wing at this point, but that’s hard to do given his faceoffs proficiency without someone similarly good coming in to take that spot. Not interested at all at 6m though. Too many hoops for us to jump through with our other salaries to make that work. I don’t wanna see us even further imbalance our forward vs D/goaltending spending

Problem with Giroux centering anything is fact that he became winger in Flyers long before this season and for A reason. He isn't good enough center anymore, but could be good winger for second or third line.

 

[TMLAM34]

Problem with Giroux centering anything is fact that he became winger in Flyers long before this season and for A reason. He isn't good enough center anymore, but could be good winger for second or third line.

Agreed. At that point, just keep JT at center with Giroux and Nylander on the wing.

 

[ULF_55]

I don't like the idea of Sandin receiving media focus in terms of his next contract or future role this early in his development. The sole focus for that player should be to get better, steal jobs and force someone else out. Not this protracted series of conversations with the organization - if reports are to be believed.

Media has to have something and when they don't know anything pick the topic without evidence and run with it. When there is no news, make news.

When he's signed it will probably be a nothing-burger.

 

[Stephen]

I’m not really sure I understand why the media believes this negotiation to be a complicated one. Sandin is a fine young D, but he’s proven essentially nothing yet at this level and he has little to no leverage

Exactly. I don't get the tension.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Not big on Giroux. He's a poor man's Marner at this point. Need more roster diversity, not roster redundancy.

 

[Voodoo Child]

How worried are we if Robertson doesn’t make the team right out of camp?

I know he’s had some bad luck with injuries, and ‘he’s just gonna be 21!’ And all that, but as undersized skilled forward 21 is well inside prospect middle age. If he was a D this would be too early, but with Mikheyev all but gone and Kerfoot highly likely to be gone, his time is now.

I’m not saying don’t give him a chance, but as summer comes and goes and if it looks like he can’t hang, I’d honestly consider throwing him into a package as a sweetener if it nets a good young goalie or an already proven LW.

 

[kb]

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

 

[kb]

Tampa got a mishmash in return......

I'll show myself out.

 

[ToneDog]

Wow, that didn't take long.