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They've had a strange relationship with the player. Tons of trade rumors.
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They've had a strange relationship with the player. Tons of trade rumors.
Canucks, Boeser take gamble, demonstrate mutual belief with three-year deal
The three-year contract Brock Boeser signed Friday with the Vancouver Canucks gave his National Hockey League team some time and a little salary-cap wiggle room, and the 25-year-old winger some stability after a difficult season. But it is also a gamble by both sides.
VANCOUVER – It is a bridge extended. Is it a bridge too far?
The three-year contract Brock Boeser signed Friday with the Vancouver Canucks gave his National Hockey League team some time and a little salary-cap wiggle room, and the 25-year-old winger some stability after a difficult season that was capped by the loss of his father in May.
The deal removed the uncertainty of potential arbitration – the Canucks could have filed against their restricted free agent on Saturday – and essentially doubles the three-year bridge deal Boeser signed in 2019 at the expiration of his entry-level contract.
But it is also a gamble by both sides.
In surrendering one of his unrestricted-free-agency-eligible seasons by accepting a three-year term instead of a one- or two-year deal, Boeser is betting that he will improve and score enough goals the next three seasons to still command that elusive long-term contract when he will be 28 years old.
The Canucks are gambling that Boeser, with a clearer focus, will bounce back from this past season’s erratic 46-point campaign and earn his new annual salary of $6.65 million US.
“I think this shows a lot about Brock Boeser here making a commitment to the Vancouver Canucks and what we want to accomplish,” general manager Patrik Allvin told reporters on a Zoom call late Friday. “I think Brock is in a good spot and he knows he's a good hockey player and he knows he's got the support all the way from the ownership and the management and the coaching staff and his teammates here. This shows that Brock wants to be a big part of the Vancouver Canucks moving forward.”
Head coach Bruce Boudreau had a more effusive reaction to the re-signing of Boeser, which headlined a surprisingly busy Canada Day for the Canucks, who also hired Mike Yeo to fill out its coaching staff and signed top prospect Jack Rathbone to a two-year, one-way contract.
“I'm really happy for Brock,” Boudreau told Sportsnet. “I'm really happy that this isn't hanging over his head anymore. And I'm really happy for us. We all know that he's got the capability of being a great player. And I think last year has to be an anomaly. A lot of great players go through that one-year anomaly. He had a reason (with his dad’s declining health), but still."
“I would think that he'll be so hungry to play now that you'll see the Brock Boeser of two years ago and three years ago. I know he's probably really excited about signing the deal, and I know he wanted to come back to us. We want guys that want to be here, and I know he wanted to be here.”
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I think this will be more common. NHL is projecting a big cap jump in 3 years so he is probably my tomong that.
The us recession might extend it but it makes sense to pick 3 years now
The us recession might extend it but it makes sense to pick 3 years now
BertCorbeau
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Really weird.
3 years is kind of an awkward term if the Canucks believe he’s a piece of their core, or if Boeser is truly committed to Vancouver. I’d say this deal works better for him since it expires when he’s 28 and could get a nice big UFA deal.
It’s matching up with the current projection of the big cap jump. Personally I think jr will be delayed by us economy but I think we see a lot of 3 year deals for guys like boeser tkachuk etc
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Why the €%#* does every single thread get derailed and toxic about the pro dubas crowd or the anti dubas crowd. Actual hockey discussion is why I come here not this kindergarten stuff. A ffs can we stop talking about Lou.
Biggest criticism of Dubas is the money he spent on our top players. It was a lot. Fact. They are great players. Fact. The cap was supposed to raise dramatically but instead the pandemic screwed us. Fact. Put it to bed.
Tavares is probably the next biggest criticism, but when a player of that calibre wants to come home…..it wasn’t a crazy thought to try and speed up the rebuild. It definitely seems to be holding us back right now. But he’s still a very effective player.
No all his moves aren’t awesome. But he is a solid GM who doesn’t seem to make panic moves to try and ‘save his job’. He addresses weaknesses in the team. If they don’t work out he addresses that.
Dubas haters seem to bang that drum any chance they get which is absolute nonsense, and causes other posters to passionately try and show where they are mistaken. Causing this forum to completely derail.
Rant over lol.
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Biggest criticism of Dubas is the money he spent on our top players. It was a lot. Fact. They are great players. Fact. The cap was supposed to raise dramatically but instead the pandemic screwed us. Fact. Put it to bed.
Tavares is probably the next biggest criticism, but when a player of that calibre wants to come home…..it wasn’t a crazy thought to try and speed up the rebuild. It definitely seems to be holding us back right now. But he’s still a very effective player.
No all his moves aren’t awesome. But he is a solid GM who doesn’t seem to make panic moves to try and ‘save his job’. He addresses weaknesses in the team. If they don’t work out he addresses that.
Dubas haters seem to bang that drum any chance they get which is absolute nonsense, and causes other posters to passionately try and show where they are mistaken. Causing this forum to completely derail.
Rant over lol.
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Magic Man
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I think if you could give him Kerfoot's 3.5M per for 3 years it is a worthwhile gamble. Anything over 3 years is a poor risk.
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I agree dubas is a good GM. Hes made some poor moves, Some really good moves, and overall he's been a solid GM . I could be wrong but I think the pressure point for most Leaf fans is have some kind of success to make sure Matthews re signs long term. After that happens the Leafs have another 8 year window with the cap going up and we will shed some some big cap hits to restructure the team.
If arb. deadline is today that means that Engvall and Kase are both heading to arbitration.
At what cap hit should we look move them on? (the dollar figures are quick *maximum* cap hits I've come up with without looking deeply into any comparables)
Engvall: (2m?) He'll never use his size effectively enough but he is a direct replacement for Mikheyev with his speed and PK game. Took a step offensively this season but will likely never score more than 15 goals a season
Kase: (2.4m?) Would be a useful 20-25 goal scorer that can play on any line and play both special teams. Given his injury history, it seems a matter of time before he is on the IR. Hard to allocate too much to a player who won't participate in all games.
At what cap hit should we look move them on? (the dollar figures are quick *maximum* cap hits I've come up with without looking deeply into any comparables)
Engvall: (2m?) He'll never use his size effectively enough but he is a direct replacement for Mikheyev with his speed and PK game. Took a step offensively this season but will likely never score more than 15 goals a season
Kase: (2.4m?) Would be a useful 20-25 goal scorer that can play on any line and play both special teams. Given his injury history, it seems a matter of time before he is on the IR. Hard to allocate too much to a player who won't participate in all games.
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Magic Man
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I like Engvall's size, speed and defensive combo. I'd go as high as 2.5M for him, but he probably signs for 2M.
I would rather replace Kase's roster spot with someone physical, so I wouldn't tender him a QO.
ULF_55
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Engvall is a year younger than Marchment, who broke out this year.
Perhaps Engvall can slow the game down a bit this year like Mikheyev last season.
Has the speed to beat most defenders, just has to find his place in time when it comes to facing the keeper.
There are examples where players at Engvalls age can take another step.
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It is too bad about Kase. He is a middle 6 player, but you do worry about the human life in the sweater and the next 50-60 years he should enjoy.
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I'd look for other options before I gave 47 2.5m. He's just too soft to succeed in the playoffs IMO. This guy shied away from the smaller Hagel instead of putting him in his place and sending a message.
Be happy with him playing with Kampf on our 4th line at 1.5m but we gotta get big bodied players willing to stand up for themselves and who play a heavy game. Ferraro said it, you also need size to get through two months of playoff hockey.
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ULF_55
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I thought he made some strides in that direction.
It might help if leadership brought that rather than laughing about getting their face washed and turning away.
Canucks are a weird team. My bet is Boeser is gone in 3 years, in that case they may as well trade him within the year. They have the pieces to sell off for a quick rebuild (Boeser, JT Miller, Horvat, Garland) or retool but ownership seems content with status quo/filling needs through free agency.
Thank you for saying, much better than I could, what's been annoying me for quite some time. He ain't perfect, he's not the devil, for now he's our GM. Accept and move on to talking hockey.
SprDaVE
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You can still sign them before arbitration, so plenty of time to figure it out.
Engvall should be pretty easy to sign. The Leafs and Dubas aren't the type of team to give out term to secondary players, so it's probably going to be a 1 to 2 year term contract around 1.5-1.75M. If it was up to me, I'd give him a 4-5 year contract and push it to 2.5-2.75M. I think he'll turn into a 2-way 20 goal scorer very soon.
It doesn't seem like the Leafs are overly invested in keeping Kase. Which is a little weird for me. I'd easily give him a 1 year 1.5M contract right now, which is a small bump in money for him. Seems more than fair. If he wants term, I wouldn't go a penny over 2M.
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This game summed up how Toronto goaltending was, very curious to see how the off season plays out, would very much like a Fluery/Blackwood tandem or Blackwood/Goregiev tandem is they looking to get younger.
I’m not too fussed on Engvall personally.
I thought at points he looked like he was figuring things out this year, using his size a bit, and I’d maybe bring him back for a year to attempt to build on it and because he’s a solid PK guy, but he and Mikheyev were our biggest playoff disappointments this year and I want to see meaningful changes to the bottom 6
Absolutely not to anything close to 2m though. We can get someone who can PK and have a bigger shift to shift impact at a lesser AAV in free agency imo
I thought at points he looked like he was figuring things out this year, using his size a bit, and I’d maybe bring him back for a year to attempt to build on it and because he’s a solid PK guy, but he and Mikheyev were our biggest playoff disappointments this year and I want to see meaningful changes to the bottom 6
Absolutely not to anything close to 2m though. We can get someone who can PK and have a bigger shift to shift impact at a lesser AAV in free agency imo
Fleury is just a name at this point. The guy implodes every year in the playoffs, no contending team should rely on MAF as a starter come playoff time. 1B backup type of thing, sure.
I think people suggesting a Blackwood/Fleury tandem do have Fleury as the 1B as an insurance policy to Blackwood.
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