Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[TheShape]

If they can get something reasonably helpful in that deal, it's a win.

Who needs LD help?

LAK
NYI
NJD
STL

Will any of them want him?

Player also has full NTC. I think getting rid of the cap hit without sweetening the deal will be a win its own for TB. In some scenarios the cap space alone is worth it's weight in gold.

STL and NYI make sense. LAK would be better off taking Muzzin for two years if Blake looking for a veteran LHD.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Player also has full NTC. I think getting rid of the cap hit without sweetening the deal will be a win its own for TB. In some scenarios the cap space alone is worth it's weight in gold.

STL and NYI make sense. LAK would be better off taking Muzzin for two years if Blake looking for a veteran LHD.

Scandella at the very least has to go to Tampa in that deal...although that likely hurts the Kyrou, Thomas, Tarasenko, Barbashev and ROR extension efforts later.

NYI? Maybe if they dump Varlamov in another deal.

 

[francis246]

These are more than half of the responses on page 1:




















None of that screams overwhelming lauded… I’m not going through every page in that thread, but like I said the majority seems to think it was ok-to-bad at the time the deal was signed. Not many lauding it as some great deal.

the Mrazek deal wasn't a terrible signing at the time, he had a terrible year with injury. But I think many of us were optimistic going into the year.

 

[Bomber0104]

These are more than half of the responses on page 1:




















None of that screams overwhelming lauded… I’m not going through every page in that thread, but like I said the majority seems to think it was ok-to-bad at the time the deal was signed. Not many lauding it as some great deal.

How would you know how the signing was "received" here when you won't even read the initial thread announcing the signing?

But yeah, cherry picking the very few posts that weren't glowingly positive isn't proving your point.

There were just as many calling Mrazek a better goalie than Fred

Of course, you'd have to actually read the thread to know that...

the Mrazek deal wasn't a terrible signing at the time, he had a terrible year with injury. But I think many of us were optimistic going into the year.

The Podium is trying to pretend people weren't thrilled with it for some weird reason.

I even posted the initial thread which is overwhelmingly optimistic about the signing, but he's still trying to spin it.

Probably just trying to set the groundwork in place for Dubas' next genius move this off-season so we can once again universally applaud it.

 

[Menzinger]

That Nick Paul contract is pretty awful. The guys 27 and has just 34 career goals.....

Wonder if Tampa is going to fall under the same trap that the Hawks did - go from having some of the best management in the league to making a series of poor reactionary moves.

Paul had a good playoffs. That doesn't mean he's going to be the same player 2 seasons from now, let alone 7

 

[All Mod Cons]

That Nick Paul contract is pretty awful. The guys 27 and has just 34 career goals.....

Wonder if Tampa is going to fall under the same trap that the Hawks did - go from having some of the best management in the league to making a series of poor reactionary moves.

Paul had a good playoffs. That doesn't mean he's going to be the same player 2 seasons from now, let alone 7

Who cares about years 5, 6 and 7? The cap will have risen loads by then and 3mil will be tiny. Probably bury most of it.

 

[Duffman955]

Dam I thought free agency starts today

That Nick Paul contract is pretty awful. The guys 27 and has just 34 career goals.....

Wonder if Tampa is going to fall under the same trap that the Hawks did - go from having some of the best management in the league to making a series of poor reactionary moves.

Paul had a good playoffs. That doesn't mean he's going to be the same player 2 seasons from now, let alone 7

He got like 700k for every career goal he's scored lmao

 

[Menzinger]

Who cares about years 5, 6 and 7? The cap will have risen loads by then and 3mil will be tiny. Probably bury most of it.

There's potential for concern for years 2,3 and 4 let alone 5, 6 and 7. Career high of 20 points prior to this year and got his first post-season point this past playoffs too.

It seems a particularly high risk, low reward deal for a team that's historically avoided such moves in the past.

 

[The Podium]

How would you know how the signing was "received" here when you won't even read the initial thread announcing the signing?

But yeah, cherry picking the very few posts that weren't glowingly positive isn't proving your point.

There were just as many calling Mrazek a better goalie than Fred

Of course, you'd have to actually read the thread to know that...



The Podium is trying to pretend people weren't thrilled with it for some weird reason.

I even posted the initial thread which is overwhelmingly optimistic about the signing, but he's still trying to spin it.

Probably just trying to set the groundwork in place for Dubas' next genius move this off-season so we can once again universally applaud it.

I quoted almost every post on the first page… how many do I need to go through until my post is acceptable?

I went through the next 5 pages, the majority seem fine or disappointed in the deal. There is the odd post claiming he’s an upgrade on Fred. But the general tone is definitely not overwhelmingly positive.

 

[Apex Predator]

7 years is a long time, but they're a cup contender now. The thing I don't understand is the Hagel and Paul moves are both win now moves, but trading away McDonagh isn't. Pulling the team in different directions is how you end up like us.

Depends what they get for Mcdonagh. They can trade him a roster player draft pick and or prospect and then use that draft pick or prospect at the deadline to bolster the team.

 

[garyrobertsforPM]

Ok, so we could use 3 new wingers, a D with a point shot and a goalie (or 2).
Need wingers that are fast, tough and defensively responsible and somewhat cheap...
- Woods
- Crouse
- Marchment
- Nichushkin
- Palat
The Nylander and JT fit has been beat to death. How about - trade Nylander for Provorov. Nichushkin in his spot. Sandin for crouse+. Kerfoot and Holl out. Marchment line 3. Woods line 3.

 

[All Mod Cons]

There's potential for concern for years 2,3 and 4 let alone 5, 6 and 7. Career high of 20 points prior to this year and got his first post-season point this past playoffs too.

It seems a particularly high risk, low reward deal for a team that's historically avoided such moves in the past.

Agreed there's a risk. I suppose like all FAs. Some don't live up their contracts. Others outshine it. I doubt the Lightning are looking for too much offense with the team they have (maybe they are). I suppose they saw a lot of intangibles they liked this season in their run to the final.

 

[ULF_55]

If they can get something reasonably helpful in that deal, it's a win.

Who needs LD help?

LAK
NYI
NJD
STL

Will any of them want him?

And is he willing to go there?
Looks like a full NTC until January 2026.
I don't see him moving to a non-contender.

 

[ToneDog]

How would you know how the signing was "received" here when you won't even read the initial thread announcing the signing?

But yeah, cherry picking the very few posts that weren't glowingly positive isn't proving your point.

There were just as many calling Mrazek a better goalie than Fred

Of course, you'd have to actually read the thread to know that...



The Podium is trying to pretend people weren't thrilled with it for some weird reason.

I even posted the initial thread which is overwhelmingly optimistic about the signing, but he's still trying to spin it.

Probably just trying to set the groundwork in place for Dubas' next genius move this off-season so we can once again universally applaud it.

Personally I do not see it as a bad deal but why would I care since it is Tampa ?? If Dubas signed him, I'd be fine with it given what I saw of Paul in the playoffs. It seems that the usual suspects have an agenda to defend Dubas' moves by ripping other teams' moves. I mean how do you criticize Tampa when they have 3 straight SC final appearance and two cups and at the same time praise what Dubas has done?

 

[Bomber0104]

I quoted almost every post on the first page… how many do I need to go through until my post is acceptable?

I went through the next 5 pages, the majority seem fine or disappointed in the deal. There is the odd post claiming he’s an upgrade on Fred. But the general tone is definitely not overwhelmingly positive.

No you didn't and those cherry-picked posts are hardly negative or showing disappointment.

You claim to know how HFboards received the trade but didn't even read the initial signing thread.

Now in the face of evidence, you're spinning and twisting and selectively reading what you want to see.

Really strange stuff.

Personally I do not see it as a bad deal but why would I care since it is Tampa ?? If Dubas signed him, I'd be fine with it given what I saw of Paul in the playoffs. It seems that the usual suspects have an agenda to defend Dubas' moves by ripping other teams' moves. I mean how do you criticize Tampa when they have 3 straight SC final appearance and two cups and at the same time praise what Dubas has done?

Bingo.

 

[TMLAM34]

Ok, so we could use 3 new wingers, a D with a point shot and a goalie (or 2).
Need wingers that are fast, tough and defensively responsible and somewhat cheap...
- Woods
- Crouse
- Marchment
- Nichushkin
- Palat
The Nylander and JT fit has been beat to death. How about - trade Nylander for Provorov. Nichushkin in his spot. Sandin for crouse+. Kerfoot and Holl out. Marchment line 3. Woods line 3.

Nichushkin can skate though. I’m not sure if Tavares - Nichushkin would work any better than Tavares - Nylander. However, I do think Nylander and Nichushkin would work very well together. Nylander would have to play his off wing which I’m sure he’d be fine with.

 

[MarMarSab3]

I'd be ok with a minor overhaul

Out: Kerfoot, Holl, Mrazek, Mikheyev, Engvall, Campbell, Kase and Muzzin if any takers

Slightly changes the dynamic of the team if you're bringing in some more bite into the lineup

 

[dubplatepressure]

Ok, so we could use 3 new wingers, a D with a point shot and a goalie (or 2).
Need wingers that are fast, tough and defensively responsible and somewhat cheap...
- Woods
- Crouse
- Marchment
- Nichushkin
- Palat
The Nylander and JT fit has been beat to death. How about - trade Nylander for Provorov. Nichushkin in his spot. Sandin for crouse+. Kerfoot and Holl out. Marchment line 3. Woods line 3.

If I'm trading Nylander for Provorov then what else is coming back with Provorov? Surely that's not 1 for 1. Crouse, Woods, and Nich are fine targets. Marchment will be paid and it's very much a risk to sign a guy at this point unless its a 2-3 year show-me deal. Palat would be an excellent get.

 

[ULF_55]

Nichushkin can skate though. I’m not sure if Tavares - Nichushkin would work any better than Tavares - Nylander. However, I do think Nylander and Nichushkin would work very well together. Nylander would have to play his off wing which I’m sure he’d be fine with.

Bunting-Matthews-marner
Nylander-center-Nichushkin
FreeAgent/Marlie-Tavares-Kase
Engvall-Kampf-Anderson

Construction of lines cannot be about Cap Hit.

 

[Dreakmur]

There's potential for concern for years 2,3 and 4 let alone 5, 6 and 7. Career high of 20 points prior to this year and got his first post-season point this past playoffs too.

It seems a particularly high risk, low reward deal for a team that's historically avoided such moves in the past.

He’s been pretty much the same player for the past 3 seasons.

 

[Menzinger]

He’s been pretty much the same player for the past 3 seasons.

His Last couple seasons in Ottawa he paced 29 points each. Personally wouldn't want 3 mil towards that.

Tampa likely banking he'll be able to replicate his 14 points in 21 games plus playoff production again. Not sure it's going to happen based on player history though.

 

[ULF_55]

There's potential for concern for years 2,3 and 4 let alone 5, 6 and 7. Career high of 20 points prior to this year and got his first post-season point this past playoffs too.

It seems a particularly high risk, low reward deal for a team that's historically avoided such moves in the past.

I think the fact he played center for the Lightning gives me some confidence he'll be fine on this deal.

It appears his position is misclassified as LW. From what I can see he's a center, and looked good enough to be a 3rd. line center.

 

[paulhiggins]

Biggest priority for Dubas this off-season will be making himself not seem stupid to protect his job. Therefore you will not see a major overhaul (6 or more players) because it will make him seem stupid for having those players on the roster to begin with. Nor will he re-acquire any players he was stupid enough to give away in the past (ie. Marchment). I don't know if he'd even trade Holl because it would make him look stupid again, instead of keeping McCann.

 

[ToneDog]

Nichushkin can skate though. I’m not sure if Tavares - Nichushkin would work any better than Tavares - Nylander. However, I do think Nylander and Nichushkin would work very well together. Nylander would have to play his off wing which I’m sure he’d be fine with.

Nichushkin, Tavares, Landeskog, Burakovsky, Nylander, Kadri

Which one does not belong ?? I think Nichushkin gels with Tavares better than Nylander.

 

[Menzinger]

I think the fact he played center for the Lightning gives me some confidence he'll be fine on this deal.

It appears his position is misclassified as LW. From what I can see he's a center, and looked good enough to be a 3rd. line center.

It definitely can work out for the Bolts even though I'm not particularly high on the guy as a player. I'm in general just wary of these long term deals to low end role players (ie Zaitsev)