Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[zeke]

For years, they've gone on about how the Leafs have no bad contracts that can easily be moved should we wish.

Correct.

 

[All Mod Cons]

What the hell are you talking about?

Kerfoot is a 50 point versatile forward owed 750k and is a pending UFA.
Holl is a decent 5/6 guy making only 2 mill as a pending UFA. With both there is literally no risk for an acquiring team.

Mrazek isn’t an easy move due to term, and Tavares literally cannot be moved due to his NMC.

Lou’s finger prints are pretty much off this team, there are things that could’ve been done in hindsight, which god forbid gets brought up, but any decision made moving forward has little barring on what Lou did or did not do while he was here.

Exactly. So Mrazek isn't an easy move (posters quoting some HNIC segment to say he is, are wrong imo). Tavares is not an easy move.

So we can move Holl, a 5/6 dman. And Kerfoot. Those I agree with. Not sure why KB said wr couldn't move Kerfoot tbh.

And hopefully this is the end of having to blame Lou and our current management gets held responsible.

I think we're pretty much in agreement.

If the Leafs make a move today, no one is going to wait until October to comment on it lol. I have no idea what you're even saying. No one is saying anything about Tampas entire offseason, just the Paul signing.

What's wrong with the Paul signing? Good player. Decent age.

 

[kb]

Tampa is so smart they're losing their 2nd highest playoffs scorer this year, unless they can trade away their #2 or 3 dman instead.

12 D chess moves

 

[WTFMAN99]

Tampa is so smart they're losing their 2nd highest playoffs scorer this year, unless they can trade away their #2 or 3 dman instead.

I expect Killorn to be the name going.

McDonagh...I mean at 33...at some point there is a sharp drop off, if they can get ahead of it and just promote Sergachev, not bad.

It's what they get in return and what they do with the room they create that will matter.

No matter how you slice it, it's hard to actually improve the team, guys need raises, cap isn't climbing fast & they've been sending picks for results now.

2 Cups...nearly a 3rd...hell of a run.

 

[zeke]

I expect Killorn to be the name going.

McDonagh...I mean at 33...at some point there is a sharp drop off, if they can get ahead of it and just promote Sergachev, not bad.

It's what they get in return and what they do with the room they create that will matter.

No matter how you slice it, it's hard to actually improve the team, guys need raises, cap isn't climbing fast & they've been sending picks for results now.

2 Cups...nearly a 3rd...hell of a run.

Trading McDonagh while they still have a chance to move his $7m until age 36 contract for value is probably the right move, but losing their #2D and top matchup D would still be a big blow.

Trading Killorn makes sense but he has a NTC and I'm not sure that's even enough to re-sign Palat unless they give him huge term into his late 30s.

 

[Stand Witness]

Id like to see the Leafs get Miles Wood and Jesse Puljujarvi. Could flip between 2nd and 3rd like depending on fit.

A Puljujarvi - Tavares combo might be a good fit style wise I think.

 

[ACC1224]

I expect Killorn to be the name going.

McDonagh...I mean at 33...at some point there is a sharp drop off, if they can get ahead of it and just promote Sergachev, not bad.

It's what they get in return and what they do with the room they create that will matter.

No matter how you slice it, it's hard to actually improve the team, guys need raises, cap isn't climbing fast & they've been sending picks for results now.

2 Cups...nearly a 3rd...hell of a run.

In hindsight it would probably have been better for Tampa not to have had any success then they could keep all their players.

 

[All Mod Cons]

In hindsight it would probably have been better for Tampa not to have had any success then they could keep all their players.

Yeah. At least they've got some hardware (multiple) to look at while making these decisions. It's what we'd all want.

 

[The Podium]

In hindsight it would probably have been better for Tampa not to have had any success then they could keep all their players.

What is the purpose of the passive aggressive remarks?

Tampa had a hell of a run, and have established themselves as a premier organization in this league. They are a well ran organization that was able to establish a dynasty in the cap era.

No one is denying that, but also they are not infallible. We can criticize how they navigate their way through the cap, even if we end up eating crow in the long run.

 

[Dreakmur]

Tampa is so smart they're losing their 2nd highest playoffs scorer this year, unless they can trade away their #2 or 3 dman instead.

They’re such morons for winning the Stanley Cup twice and makings the finals 4 of the last 5 years. If they lost in the first round all those years, they could have kept the one significant player they might lose this summer.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Easily moved. We love to defend our contracts until we're blue in the face, but criticise everyone elses. Tampa are such a well ran organization.

NTC for the first 4 years then a modified NTC for the last 3.

"Easily moved" tho lol

 

[WTFMAN99]

Trading McDonagh while they still have a chance to move his $7m until age 36 contract for value is probably the right move, but losing their #2D and top matchup D would still be a big blow.

Trading Killorn makes sense but he has a NTC and I'm not sure that's even enough to re-sign Palat unless they give him huge term into his late 30s.

I think Palat is gonna be really good to the organization, should be a friendly deal. Killorn was apparently nearly a Predator 1-2 seasons ago but Kucherov's LTR thing changed things.

Covid flat cap means you make tough decisions.

What is the purpose of the passive aggressive remarks?

Tampa had a hell of a run, and have established themselves as a premier organization in this league. They are a well ran organization that was able to establish a dynasty in the cap era.

No one is denying that, but also they are not infallible. We can criticize how they navigate their way through the cap, even if we end up eating crow in the long run.

What's to criticize, really? How else would you handle this?

You have Sergachev as way overqualified for 3rd pairing waiting to take over for McDonagh...

I'd probably take Paul and Palat over Killorn too.

I think Palat's contract is very friendly when it happens, he's my #1 guy if he's there July 1st and they can't make it work but I do think they make it work.

 

[The Podium]

I think Palat is gonna be really good to the organization, should be a friendly deal. Killorn was apparently nearly a Predator 1-2 seasons ago but Kucherov's LTR thing changed things.

Covid flat cap means you make tough decisions.



What's to criticize, really? How else would you handle this?

You have Sergachev as way overqualified for 3rd pairing waiting to take over for McDonagh...

I'd probably take Paul and Palat over Killorn too.

I think Palat's contract is very friendly when it happens, he's my #1 guy if he's there July 1st and they can't make it work but I do think they make it work.

If the Leafs signed Nick Paul to a 7 year 3+ mill extension with a NTC, there would be a lot of criticism.

You’re also giving them credit for a Palat deal that literally has not be signed.

 

[Amadeus]

If the Leafs signed Nick Paul to a 7 year 3+ mill extension with a NTC, there would be a lot of criticism.

You’re also giving them credit for a Palat deal that literally has not be signed.

Not from me. He's adequately paid for what he brings. He's a high end third liner!

 

[zeke]

I think Palat is gonna be really good to the organization, should be a friendly deal. Killorn was apparently nearly a Predator 1-2 seasons ago but Kucherov's LTR thing changed things.

Covid flat cap means you make tough decisions.



What's to criticize, really? How else would you handle this?

You have Sergachev as way overqualified for 3rd pairing waiting to take over for McDonagh...

I'd probably take Paul and Palat over Killorn too.

I think Palat's contract is very friendly when it happens, he's my #1 guy if he's there July 1st and they can't make it work but I do think they make it work.

Sergachev has already been getting #3 minutes. He actually was #2 in minutes in the regular season.Calling him a 3rd pair guy underrates how big his role is. He's not some underutilized bottom pairing guy who the team can give a much bigger role to. Trading McDonagh leaves a big hole.

 

[The Podium]

Not from me. He's adequately paid for what he brings. He's a high end third liner!

Based on a single playoff run?

 

[ToneDog]

Based on a single playoff run?

The last guy who got paid for having a big playoffs was DSP… that ended poorly

UFAs usually get overpaid because they hold the hammer (see Hyman, Tavares, Coleman, Hamilton, Goodrow). He was the flavour of the month with his playoff performance. At 3m AAV it is fair market value IMO. It could turn out to be a bad deal. Gotta see it play out though.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I wouldn't give that contract to Paul. It's not terrible, but people on here have heavily criticized much better moves than that made by the Leafs.

 

[Amadeus]

Based on a single playoff run?

He's shown his value with Ottawa as well. Always been a solid player.

 

[Sypher04]

I wouldn't give that contract to Paul. It's not terrible, but people on here have heavily criticized much better moves than that made by the Leafs.

Even if it’s a little rich now, I’d personally think he’ll be good value when the cap goes up significantly in a couple years. I think it’s just Tampa hedging their bets.

 

[hamzarocks]

Honestly this is a pretty poor take. How was he greedy when the deal he eventually signed was fair at the time and good value now? It's not like he wanted something ridiculous. Better than Mitch ' Im just as good as Matty' marner yet no one bitches about him being greedy.

Marner gets the most hate on the team fir his contract which he deserved upn until this year

People send marner/his family threats when he's playing poorly. Some Nylander fans started saying Nylander was better than marner in the first 20 games of the year where marner started slow. He gets a lot of hate

Only JT gets away easy for his overpaid deal

 

[Buds17]

That Paul contract is definitely high on term (and possibly AAV to a lesser extent too). Can't deny that he's been a good fit in Tampa over a small yet meaningful sample though.

 

[WTFMAN99]

If the Leafs signed Nick Paul to a 7 year 3+ mill extension with a NTC, there would be a lot of criticism.

You’re also giving them credit for a Palat deal that literally has not be signed.

Not from me. He's adequately paid for what he brings. He's a high end third liner!

I projected Paul at 4 years 2.75-2.95M for Tampa and if he hit free agency, probably 4 years at 3-3.25M for Toronto, I was wrong. 7 year term for Paul is iffy but I guess if it keeps the aav down and you like the player, you do it as Tampa.

They don't get credit for Palat without signing Palat, I just think they'll pull it off, mutual interest elps.

Sergachev has already been getting #3 minutes. He actually was #2 in minutes in the regular season.Calling him a 3rd pair guy underrates how big his role is. He's not some underutilized bottom pairing guy who the team can give a much bigger role to. Trading McDonagh leaves a big hole.

They said they wanted to touch base with all of their pending UFA, I wonder if Rutta takes less to stay on or does he just want $$ now? If you're another team, is he even a top 4 guy or just propped up by Hedman?

I'm guessing they're gonna try to solidify that top 4 which will play some decent minutes and find competent 3rd pairing guys.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Even if it’s a little rich now, I’d personally think he’ll be good value when the cap goes up significantly in a couple years. I think it’s just Tampa hedging their bets.

They are betting he continues playing how he did recently. He was a guy who was on waivers and fringy not that long ago.

Maybe Marchment is going to use this as a template for his next deal, since he was pretty much the same (minus the waivers).

Both have the risk of being guys who are not super talented and had a nice season, but there are real concerns about whether they can maintain it long term.

 

[ToneDog]

Marner gets the most hate on the team fir his contract which he deserved upn until this year

People send marner/his family threats when he's playing poorly. Some Nylander fans started saying Nylander was better than marner in the first 20 games of the year where marner started slow. He gets a lot of hate

Only JT gets away easy for his overpaid deal

JT and Matty had a blank cheque. Marner and Willie dragged out their negotiations and came across as greedy. As Bieksa said, take a little less and you'll get less heat. Sound advice IMO.