Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[WTFMAN99]

ZAR would be a great add and should be cheap. If we move on from Kase, ZAR/Anderson in the bottom two RW spots would be fine.

I expect ZAR to be a Leafs target. If they can get him to around 1.75M for a few years, I think that'd be pretty good. He's coming off a 1.725M contract, so I don't think he'll take a paycut.

I see him as a Mikheyev replacement more so than Kase.

2 years 1.75M would be good.

 

[BertCorbeau]

At least Paul didn’t break the bank for mid tier wingers.

I’d be interested in Vatrano at $3 AAV for 5 years.

 

[TheDoldrums]

They are successful, they’ve earned it.

I don't think anyone earns the right to be treated as infallible.

 

[nuck]

I think they will gladly stew in cap hell because the results already came twice.

If we won back to back cups I wouldn't give a damn if they gave Engvall 11 mil a year after. I'm good for my lifetime do whatever you want now

Thats what the Hawks and Kings did but the maxed out salaries of their key people after the Cup wins made them less able to ice the right lineup. The cap is a dynasty killer. but with the age of their core they have no choice but to go for it. Luckily for them they have their big guns on decent deals. I expect they move Killorn as well as McDonagh.

 

[ER89]

*5.67 years which was really 5 considering he was a key reason for the 2019 failure along with Kadri and JT

Nylander wasted a whole season for himself and the leafs by being greedy, sitting out and not being ready to play at a high level when he returned

He's redeemed himself since so uts fine but he was not a good signing after his first year

Honestly this is a pretty poor take. How was he greedy when the deal he eventually signed was fair at the time and good value now? It's not like he wanted something ridiculous. Better than Mitch ' Im just as good as Matty' marner yet no one bitches about him being greedy.

 

[ACC1224]

I don't think anyone earns the right to be treated as infallible.

Not sure anyone is saying they’re infallible. I’m sure they’ve made mistakes along the way like any team but you can’t deny their success.
This signing isn’t a mistake yet.

 

[All Mod Cons]

We should at least wait until October until we start criticizing other teams moves.

 

[The Podium]

They are though. The results show that. Not sure how it can be argued otherwise.

It's obvious they prefer a relatively stable bottom/ middle six. We prefer to chop and change every season with multiple guys coming in every summer.

Stable bottom/middle six?

After 2020 they lost
Paquette
Verhaghe

After 2021 they lost
Gourde
Johnson
Coleman
Goodrow
Joseph

This season they spent 6.975 mill on their bottom 6, the Leafs spent 7.295 mill on their bottom 6

Like others said, the blind support for Tampa is hilarious. The difference in dollar allotment isn’t top 6 vs bottom 6, it’s strictly goaltending.

In fact, to fit this deal in, they’re trying to move their 2nd best D in McDonagh, shifting money from their D to their bottom 6.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Stable bottom/middle six?

After 2020 they lost
Paquette
Verhaghe

After 2021 they lost
Gourde
Johnson
Coleman
Goodrow
Joseph

This season they spent 6.975 mill on their bottom 6, the Leafs spent 7.295 mill on their bottom 6

Like others said, the blind support for Tampa is hilarious. The difference in dollar allotment isn’t top 6 vs bottom 6, it’s strictly goaltending.

We should get a good goalie then.

 

[The Podium]

We should get a good goalie then.

Well, that’s where their good deals come into play. Also, it helps to have a home grown best G in the league.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Well, that’s where their good deals come into play. Also, it helps to have a home grown best G in the league.

How do we plan on beating them?

 

[Sypher04]

It might seem like a lot for term right now, but it’s a good bet for Tampa. Fairly low AAV, and 2-3 years out from now we are probably gonna see the cap jump into the mid 90s

 

[The Podium]

How do we plan on beating them?

Well for one, hope they weaken their roster with poor cap decisions, like Nick Paul for that contract for that term while cutting bait with McDonagh to make it fit.

Also fatigue, internal growth and chemistry changes.

Do we forget we were one goal away in game 6 OT from beating them? It’s not like this Leafs team was blown out.

 

[ACC1224]

Stable bottom/middle six?

After 2020 they lost
Paquette
Verhaghe

After 2021 they lost
Gourde
Johnson
Coleman
Goodrow
Joseph

This season they spent 6.975 mill on their bottom 6, the Leafs spent 7.295 mill on their bottom 6

Like others said, the blind support for Tampa is hilarious. The difference in dollar allotment isn’t top 6 vs bottom 6, it’s strictly goaltending.

In fact, to fit this deal in, they’re trying to move their 2nd best D in McDonagh, shifting money from their D to their bottom 6.

Wouldn’t spending less on a bottom 6 that was better than the Leafs bottom six be considered a good thing?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Wouldn’t spending less on a bottom 6 that was better than the Leafs bottom six be considered a good thing?

Our bottom 6 scored 3 goals in 7 games against Vas.

2 goals from Kampf and 1 from Blackwell.

Their bottom 6 actually does stuff...ours is all bargain bin.

 

[The Podium]

Wouldn’t spending less on a bottom 6 that was better than the Leafs bottom six be considered a good thing?

Absolutely, I’m arguing against the poster who claims Tampa is better run because they actually spend money on their bottom 6.

Fact is they don’t, but rather spend efficiently on the right bottom 6 players.

 

[kb]

Easily moved. We love to defend our contracts until we're blue in the face, but criticise everyone elses. Tampa are such a well ran organization.


Of course it is. Easily moved whenever they see fit. 3 mil is chump change, especially when you're paying your stars a fair amount.

But the Leafs will have trouble moving $3.5 m Kerfoot for anything of value.

Lou logic checks out.

 

[All Mod Cons]

But the Leafs will have trouble moving $3.5 m Kerfoot for anything of value.

Lou logic checks out.

I've been told Kerfoot would be an easy move. Along with Mrazek and Holl. Should fetch a good return as teams as lining up them.

Kyle logic checks out.

 

[The Podium]

But the Leafs will have trouble moving $3.5 m Kerfoot for anything of value.

Lou logic checks out.

Or Holl at 2m

I've been told Kerfoot would be an easy move. Along with Mrazek and Holl. Should fetch a good return as teams as lining up them.

Kyle logic checks out.

Not a single poster said Mrazek is an easy move.

Holl and Kerfoot are easy moves because of term.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Or Holl at 2m



Not a single poster said Mrazek is an easy move.

Holl and Kerfoot are easy moves because of term.

The usual crowd, the one that thinks Lou is to blame for everything that happened before and going forwards, think it's an easy move. For years, they've gone on about how the Leafs have no bad contracts that can easily be moved should we wish. And that includes Tavares.

 

[TheDoldrums]

We should at least wait until October until we start criticizing other teams moves.

Perhaps stay away from a trade and free agency thread if you find the discussion of transactions to be off-putting.

 

[The Podium]

The usual crowd, the one that thinks Lou is to blame for everything that happened before and going forwards, think it's an easy move. For years, they've gone on about how the Leafs have no bad contracts that can easily be moved should we wish. And that includes Tavares.


Is that a euphemism?

What the hell are you talking about?

Kerfoot is a 50 point versatile forward owed 750k and is a pending UFA.
Holl is a decent 5/6 guy making only 2 mill as a pending UFA. With both there is literally no risk for an acquiring team.

Mrazek isn’t an easy move due to term, and Tavares literally cannot be moved due to his NMC.

Lou’s finger prints are pretty much off this team, there are things that could’ve been done in hindsight, which god forbid gets brought up, but any decision made moving forward has little barring on what Lou did or did not do while he was here.

 

[All Mod Cons]

QUOTE="TheDoldrums, post: 185272398, member: 271095"]
Perhaps stay away from a trade and free agency thread if you find the discussion of transactions to be off-putting.
[/QUOTE]
I don't find it off-putting. I just think it is only fair, that we should wait until October for other teams, the way we say we need to wait until October to analyze what we have. Either that, or we shouldn't wait until October for us as well.

 

[zeke]

Tampa is so smart they're losing their 2nd highest playoffs scorer this year, unless they can trade away their #2 or 3 dman instead.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I don't find it off-putting. I just think it is only fair, that we should wait until October for other teams, the way we say we need to wait until October to analyze what we have. Either that, or we shouldn't wait until October for us as well.

If the Leafs make a move today, no one is going to wait until October to comment on it lol. I have no idea what you're even saying. No one is saying anything about Tampas entire offseason, just the Paul signing.