Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[The Podium]

He's shown his value with Ottawa as well. Always been a solid player.

The same Nick Paul was was demoted to the AHL 12 times and waived 3 times only 2 years ago?

 

[WTFMAN99]

JT and Matty had a blank cheque. Marner and Willie dragged out their negotiations and came across as greedy. As Bieksa said, take a little less and you'll get less heat. Sound advice IMO.

I remember Kaberle specifically took a bit less so if he had off-games-stretches etc, less heat, it was true.

JVR also didn't get a lot of heat here because we all thought he was adequately compensated.

Unless you're flat out done...you take less, you're not bugged much. Simmonds didn't get that much heat this year but I don't think anyone is putting him in their line up for next season.

 

[Stand Witness]

After winning 2 cups and going to 3 straight finals with a lot of aging core pieces, it really doesn’t matter what the term is.

They are all im the next 3 years and will reevaluate then. Paul probably wanted 20-25M contract and Tampa was able to get him that over 7 years. 3-4 years from now will be like Chicago’s last few seasons.

No bad deal if the AAV is manageable in the short term for them.

I remember Kaberle specifically took a bit less so if he had off-games-stretches etc, less heat, it was true.

JVR also didn't get a lot of heat here because we all thought he was adequately compensated.

Unless you're flat out done...you take less, you're not bugged much. Simmonds didn't get that much heat this year but I don't think anyone is putting him in their line up for next season.

Im pretty sure Bieska said similar. IIRC His wife wanted him to take just a bit less because a “fair deal” comes with less criticism and stress… to some degree.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I wouldn't give that contract to Paul. It's not terrible, but people on here have heavily criticized much better moves than that made by the Leafs.

And people have lauded them. It's swings and roundabouts. With Tavares he got overpaid because he's a UFA. You don't worry about years 5 onwards. With Paul, we don't like the term, and might be overpaid. Both sides are probably playing off each other.

 

[ToneDog]

And people have lauded them. It's swings and roundabouts. With Tavares he got overpaid because he's a UFA. You don't worry about years 5 onwards. With Paul, we don't like the term, and might be overpaid. Both sides are probably playing off each other.

Tavares is probably overpaid by 3mx7. LOL.

 

[TMLAM34]

If Ottawa buys out Colin White, wouldn’t be a bad option for 3C. Matthews - Tavares - White - Kampf.

 

[ER89]

Marner gets the most hate on the team fir his contract which he deserved upn until this year

People send marner/his family threats when he's playing poorly. Some Nylander fans started saying Nylander was better than marner in the first 20 games of the year where marner started slow. He gets a lot of hate

Only JT gets away easy for his overpaid deal

He was better than marner for the first 20 games though.

Marner gets flack because if his lack of playoff success, and him being completely ass against thebhabs moreso than the way he handled his contract negotiations.

 

[Bomber0104]

Jeez, all these free agency contract critics in here, where were you after Dubas dropped $3.8 x 3 for a backup goalie last off-season?

 

[ULF_55]

7 YEARS?!?!?!

Late to the discussion, and haven't read the comments so these are mine ...

I kind of like it.

Bottom 6 salary, that is in line with other bottom 6 salaries IMO.

On a better team he might have had better stats.

Why it should be good is 6'3", 224lbs. that skates really well.
Don't really need to produce quantity, if you can do other things, and with the predicted major increase in Cap, 3.1 isn't onerous if he is really the same guy that played in Ottawa for 7 years with a career .33 PPG. (.39 playoffs).

Killorn's NTC of 16 teams gives him a decent amount of teams he can't be traded to.

 

[Knies iT]

I don’t see how that Paul deal is terrible given Tampa’s situation.

7 years for a bottom sixer in a vacuum is a bad idea but it keeps the AAV low during their window and 3m for what that guy brings is a bargain. His shooting % will dip a bit but he is a complete force on the forecheck and has huge defensive impacts. Even took occasional reps on the PP with their elite talent and centred Kucherov when Point went down. Such a versatile piece, more so than a Goodrow.

The final years won’t matter as their window will be closed. It’s a pretty decent move.

 

[The Podium]

Jeez, all these free agency contract critics in here, where were you after Dubas dropped $3.8 x 3 for a backup goalie last off-season?

A lot of people criticized that contract… the overwhelming majority actually

 

[Mickey Marner]

7 years is a long time, but they're a cup contender now. The thing I don't understand is the Hagel and Paul moves are both win now moves, but trading away McDonagh isn't. Pulling the team in different directions is how you end up like us.

 

[Bomber0104]

A lot of people criticized that contract… the overwhelming majority actually

Yeah, no..

Confirmed with Link: - TOR sign G Petr Mrazek to 3 year deal, 3.8M AAV

 

[The Podium]

Yeah, no..

Confirmed with Link: - TOR sign G Petr Mrazek to 3 year deal, 3.8M AAV

Ok maybe not overwhelming majority, but definitely mixed reviews. Not many seemed to think it was a good deal, rather it ranged from ok to bad.

 

[Bomber0104]

Ok maybe not overwhelming majority, but definitely mixed reviews. Not many seemed to think it was a good deal, rather it ranged from ok to bad.

Only after he got injured multiple times and shit the bed this season...

At the time of the signing, it was overwhelmingly lauded by posters as that thread shows.

That's why I don't put too much stock into people criticizing other teams' UFA signings, when Dubas signings like that one get overwhelming praise.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Really good move by Tampa there. Keeps the AAV nice and low and can move him at any point. I'm jealous.

He was tagged at around that aav but for 3-5 seasons, not 7. Good for him for turning a couple of timely goals into 3 extra years of term and maybe a couple hundred grand in aav

 

[The Podium]

Only after he got injured multiple times and shit the bed this season...

At the time of the signing, it was overwhelmingly lauded by posters as that thread shows.

That's why I don't put too much stock into people criticizing other teams' UFA signings, when Dubas signings like that one get overwhelming praise.

These are more than half of the responses on page 1:

Nice, it the money is good

Edit - I am not terribly happy about the dollars

Hopefully not too expensive.

Edit: 3.8 is a bit higher than I expected.

Not bad

3.8 is a little on the higher side, but still manageable. Mrazek is probably better or cheaper than most goalies on the market, so definitely not a bad choice

3.8M cap hit seems ok. Definitely affordable and fair for Mrazek. Solid starter with a lot of experience.

I was hoping 3.5 so 3.8 is not too bad.

3.8 seems a bit expensive to me. Thought it would be more like 3.2

I’m okay with 3.8, I was scared we were going to be getting into the 4.5 million dollar range.

I’m ok with mrazek. Just not sure why we didn’t try to get one of the cheaper ones

be interesting to see what others go foe

3.8 is alright

He will be the 1A and Campbell the 1B

None of that screams overwhelming lauded… I’m not going through every page in that thread, but like I said the majority seems to think it was ok-to-bad at the time the deal was signed. Not many lauding it as some great deal.

 

[A1LeafNation]

These are more than half of the responses on page 1:




















None of that screams overwhelming lauded… I’m not going through every page in that thread, but like I said the majority seems to think it was ok-to-bad at the time the deal was signed. Not many lauding it as some great deal.

I still think it's a decent deal. I can't judge him based on just this past year.

 

[TheShape]

7 years is a long time, but they're a cup contender now. The thing I don't understand is the Hagel and Paul moves are both win now moves, but trading away McDonagh isn't. Pulling the team in different directions is how you end up like us.

McDonagh noticeably couldn't keep up in that final and will slow down even more over the next few years. Tampa probably feel being proactive here with a trade is the best option especially with Sergachev in the wings. 6.5m for the next 4 years is a steep cap hit.

 

[The Podium]

I still think it's a decent deal. I can't judge him based on just this past year.

I wasn’t a fan of the deal at the time, the term more than AAV. He was never a long term solution and even as a tandem goalie he should’ve been given 1-2 years.

However, I do agree, hard to judge the deal after he is coming off the outlier worst season of his career.

 

[Nylanderthal]

We should get a good goalie then.

Sure let’s just dial up one of the 6-7 teams that has one of “those” guys and let’s trade for him.
Oh, none of those teams are interested in moving one of the big elite goalies? No kidding.

 

[ToneDog]

7 years is a long time, but they're a cup contender now. The thing I don't understand is the Hagel and Paul moves are both win now moves, but trading away McDonagh isn't. Pulling the team in different directions is how you end up like us.

Better to trade an asset one year too early than one year too late.

 

[WTFMAN99]

McDonagh noticeably couldn't keep up in that final and will slow down even more over the next few years. Tampa probably feel being proactive here with a trade is the best option especially with Sergachev in the wings. 6.5m for the next 4 years is a steep cap hit.

If they can get something reasonably helpful in that deal, it's a win.

Who needs LD help?

LAK
NYI
NJD
STL

Will any of them want him?

 

[Nylanderthal]

We should at least wait until October until we start criticizing other teams moves.

Bitching about any and everything today?

 

[ULF_55]

Jeez, all these free agency contract critics in here, where were you after Dubas dropped $3.8 x 3 for a backup goalie last off-season?

Always seemed a little high for a backup, but with their backup history, maybe it was get a legitimate NHL goaltender to be backup, and have some protection against Campbell being unsigned.

Injuries can happen to anyone, and just something you have to live with.