Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[notdoneyet]

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Please explain what is wrong that is stated
Nylander 34 goal scorer check
Disappears for too many games check
Doesnt play well with matthews check
Doesn’t play well with tavares check
Cant drive his own line check
Terrible defensively check
Isnt on the ice fir the last couple of minutes of the game when protecting a lead check

All the above are well known facts that cant be disputed

 

[Americanadian]

He played top 6 last year when he went on an early bender before being pretty much useless the rest of the time.

This year, he mostly played 3rd line, but he was playing with a bunch of different players, the top 6 guys included, with Reinhart and Lundell being the main guys.

Florida had a bunch of really mediocre guys have excellent seasons. They all pretty much turned into pumpkins in the playoffs though; Marchment was no different.

Didn't this happen across the league, including the Leafs?

Even if Marchment is a 0.5 P/G players but he provides the same level of defense that he did this year (3rd among NHL F in EVD WAR/60) and he hits at the same rate he did this year (9.59 hits/60 at ES) I would gladly pay him 4M/year.

I could see him being the Leafs Killorn who has averaged between 0.44 and 0.72 P/G over the last 10 years.

Someone compared him to Clarkson earlier. Clarkson's career high in points was less than Marchment this year in 54 games. Clarkson was also paid 5.25M for 7 years when the cap was 64.3M. The consensus is Marchment can command 4M over 3-4 years.

 

[Nylander88]

Has NYI stated that Varlamov is available? And what would it cost to acquire him?

I haven't heard rumours per say about them making him available (although there might be)...but I think it's more so people drawing parallels of 1) NYI shedding some salary and 2) Sorokin is clearly their goalie of the future, so Varlamov seems like a realistic option to get the axe

 

[Legion34]

I don’t see MAF as a material upgrade on Soup.
The goaltending could go any number of ways, but I wouldn’t expect much improvement on this years overall numbers.
Maybe more evenly accumulated.
Any word on Mrazek’s health?

MAF is 12 months removed from a vezina. He has big game playoff experience. He clearly is better than soup. As well he isn’t going to be a 5 year commitment.

If we could get fleury for a year or 2 at 5 or under (if 2 years) you do it. Easily

 

[kb]

wonder what will happen to big Pete? think there will be takers?

Yep......

Undertakers.

I'll show myself out.

I'm shocked that nobody here has suggest a Nylander for Josh Anderson trade yet or Nylander for Max Domi.

You might be the only one.

 

[Americanadian]

Lou is in a cap dilemma out there.

I don't know if this is a fact. They have 12M in cap space and only need to re-sign Dobson (6M?), Bellows (1M?) and 2 LD which could be Leddy (3M?) and Salo at <1M.

 

[ULF_55]

Someone compared him to Clarkson earlier. Clarkson's career high in points was less than Marchment this year in 54 games. Clarkson was also paid 5.25M for 7 years when the cap was 64.3M. The consensus is Marchment can command 4M over 3-4 years.

Point was the Clarkson had no history of being a 30 goal scorer.

Marchment has no history of being a .87 PPG player not even in the AHL, although he had a streak in the 2019-2020 in a 24 game season of .75 PPG, but ended that season at .67 in the AHL at age 24.

Maybe he is a Justin Holl of forwards, so because Holl was played in the top 4 do you give him a $4mm a year over 4 years?

Time will tell, but less than one year of this type of production is probably going to be a large win or loss.

He is probably a good candidate for some team who can carry a mistake for the duration of the deal.

 

[ULF_55]

I don't know if this is a fact. They have 12M in cap space and only need to re-sign Dobson (6M?), Bellows (1M?) and 2 LD which could be Leddy (3M?) and Salo at <1M.

Perhaps it is reference to how much is allocated to 2nd. liners?
And Barzal is up next year.

No one close to PPG production.

Perhaps they'll open it up with a new coach?

 

[aingefan]

MAF is 12 months removed from a vezina. He has big game playoff experience. He clearly is better than soup. As well he isn’t going to be a 5 year commitment.

If we could get fleury for a year or 2 at 5 or under (if 2 years) you do it. Easily

Yup, there’s pros to signing him . But his vezina year has been sandwiched by three years where he’s played below his career averages, and he’s 37.
No guarantee he outperforms what Soup provided this past year.

 

[kb]

I don't know if this is a fact. They have 12M in cap space and only need to re-sign Dobson (6M?), Bellows (1M?) and 2 LD which one can be Greene or Aho at 1M.

That's fine if they intend to go with a 4 man D. As of right now, they only have 3 NHL D-men on the roster.

We can help them out by sending them Mrazek and Holl for Varlamov and ?

 

[Americanadian]

Perhaps it is reference to how much is allocated to 2nd. liners?
And Barzal is up next year.

No one close to PPG production.

Perhaps they'll open it up with a new coach?

They can still afford Varlamov though. His cap space disappearing will take care of the Barzal extension which shouldn't be much more than he already makes.

That's fine if they intend to go with a 4 man D. As of right now, they only have 3 NHL D-men on the roster.

We can help them out by sending them Mrazek and Holl for Varlamov and ?

Sign Dobson for 6M, Leddy for 3M and promote Salo full time for a total of 10M. They run:

Pelech-Pulock
Leddy-Dobson
Salo-Mayfield

 

[ULF_55]

They can still afford Varlamov though. His cap space disappearing will take care of the Barzal extension which shouldn't be much more than he already makes.


Sign Dobson for 6M, Leddy for 3M and promote Salo full time for a total of 10M. They run:

Pelech-Pulock
Leddy-Dobson
Salo-Mayfield

Yes, they can just go to the open market and sign some bodies.

So what happened to Aho?

 

[Americanadian]

Yes, they can just go to the open market and sign some bodies.

So what happened to Aho?

I'm guessing they stick with the 6'2 23 year old who played 23 games last year instead of the 5'11 26 year old.

 

[thusk]

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Please explain what is wrong that is stated
Nylander 34 goal scorer check
Disappears for too many games check
Doesnt play well with matthews check
Doesn’t play well with tavares check
Cant drive his own line check
Terrible defensively check
Isnt on the ice fir the last couple of minutes of the game when protecting a lead check

All the above are well known facts that cant be disputed

They will tell you nylander is a PPG player but will not understand than outside of an offensive team like Toronto hes not staying a ppg player anymore... They dont understand than nylander make decline game of everyones he playing with except Kerfoot... but hes a ppg player...

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

They will tell you nylander is a PPG player but will not understand than outside of an offensive team like Toronto hes not staying a ppg player anymore... They dont understand than nylander make decline game of everyones he playing with except Kerfoot... but hes a ppg player...

agreed. outside of toronto probably goes 1.1 or higher ppg, no longer ppg

There is an ignore button
Please explain what is wrong that is stated
Nylander 34 goal scorer check
Disappears for too many games check
Doesnt play well with matthews check
Doesn’t play well with tavares check
Cant drive his own line check
Terrible defensively check
Isnt on the ice fir the last couple of minutes of the game when protecting a lead check

All the above are well known facts that cant be disputed

cant drive his own line

 

[TMLAM34]

I want Kerfoot out and replaced with Marchment

And I circle the wagons for Trochek as 3C if he can be had for somewhat reasonable term

Trocheck would be a real nice addition but definitely not for the 3C. He’d be perfect to slide JT on the wing.

 

[613Leafer]

Based on Mirtle's comments earlier on the Leafs goaltending plan I think landing Varlamov and acquiring Blackwood for Campbell's rights would be a good reform on the goaltending.

Of course I don't know what Varly would cost but Lou is in a cap dilemma out there.

Varlamov + Blackwood is probably just about the most ideal goalie situation we could pull off (given the names available). Even with both those guys, I wouldn't say it was a position of strength per say, just not a glaring weakness. Downside to Varlamov + Blackwood is that neither are UFAs, and we'd have to trade assets to get both.

I'm also concerned that given Varlamov's NTC, he may refuse to waive the NTC, unless we agree to immediately sign him to a ~2 year X 5M extension (or something like that) in order to get him to waive. If his agent is smart, they'll be using that kind of leverage to extract a decent extension in order to agree to be traded.

Anyway, it should be sorted out within the next few weeks. But it's tough to imagine a goaltending situation that I'm excited about. Mostly just hoping to avoid overwhelming disappointment.

 

[TMLAM34]

Varlamov + Blackwood is probably just about the most ideal goalie situation we could pull off (given the names available). Even with both those guys, I wouldn't say it was a position of strength per say, just not a glaring weakness. Downside to Varlamov + Blackwood is that neither are UFAs, and we'd have to trade assets to get both.

I'm also concerned that given Varlamov's NTC, he may refuse to waive the NTC, unless we agree to immediately sign him to a ~2 year X 5M extension (or something like that) in order to get him to waive. If his agent is smart, they'll be using that kind of leverage to extract a decent extension in order to agree to be traded.

Anyway, it should be sorted out within the next few weeks. But it's tough to imagine a goaltending situation that I'm excited about. Mostly just hoping to avoid overwhelming disappointment.

I’m more leaning towards a tandem of Varlamov + Samsonov. Russian duo.

 

[Americanadian]

Here's this week's very simple offseason plan. :

Trades:
Kerfoot for Hill
Sandin for Hayton
Malgin for Bastian
Holl to DAL for 2022 3rd
Mrazek+Hirvonen+2022 DAL 3rd to Chicago

UFA Signings:
Marchment (contract projection is probably low)
Rodrigues
Cogliano
Lyubushkin (contract projection is probably low)
Wedgewood

 

[The Podium]

Here's this week's very simple offseason plan. :

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Trades:
Kerfoot for Hill
Sandin for Hayton
Malgin for Bastian
Mrazek+Hirvonen+Kase to Chicago

UFA Signings:
Marchment (contract projection is probably low)
Rodrigues
Cogliano
Lyubushkin (contract projection is probably low)
Wedgewood

That is awful…

Every deal is a loss and your goaltending is surprisingly a huge downgrade from last season

 

[ULF_55]

They can still afford Varlamov though. His cap space disappearing will take care of the Barzal extension which shouldn't be much more than he already makes.


Sign Dobson for 6M, Leddy for 3M and promote Salo full time for a total of 10M. They run:

Pelech-Pulock
Leddy-Dobson
Salo-Mayfield

Leddy coming off a $7mm base salary, with a low $4mm base, has a $5.5mm cap hit.

Are you sure he's going to sign a $3mm deal when he's UFA and can go for league wide offers?

No doubt they can find some defenders at $3mm, but not sure Leddy is going to be one of them.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

So Sandin at 22 has more projectable upside still, but McLeod at 23 does not? That's some strange thinking right there?

He's 57% on the draw, been used heavily on the defensive side, and frankly, with better wingers, I think he ends up being a 3C. He's physical, great on the PK and has good size to boot.

I mean his primary linemates included Jimmy Vesey last year, along with Bastian... you aren't going to get decent offensive results there.

Your memory must be short. Sandin was playing just as well as Liljegren last season before he got injured. Everyone here is convinced Liljegren is a top 4 or will be this season, but Sandin who is younger and just as good will somehow stagnate and not progress. Sandins floor is a top 4 D, McLeod peak is a great 3 c. Young defense with potential for more then a 4d should never be traded for a 3c no matter how good.

 

[Americanadian]

That is awful…

Every deal is a loss and your goaltending is surprisingly a huge downgrade from last season

1. I disagree on every trade being a loss. As a rule of thumb for me if a trade is unanimously loved on the Leafs board it's probably a trade the opposing team wouldn't accept.

2. Hill outperformed Campbell in GSAx last year and has outperformed Campbell in GSAx/60 since Campbell's been a Leaf. Wedgewood also outperformed Campbell last year and throughout his entire Leafs tenure.

Leddy coming off a $7mm base salary, with a low $4mm base, has a $5.5mm cap hit.

Are you sure he's going to sign a $3mm deal when he's UFA and can go for league wide offers?

No doubt they can find some defenders at $3mm, but not sure Leddy is going to be one of them.

Sure. Sounds like we're both in agreement that they aren't in a rush to shed Varlamov's cap hit.

 

[The Podium]

1. I disagree on every trade being a loss. As a rule of thumb for me if a trade is unanimously loved on the Leafs board it's probably a trade the opposing team wouldn't accept.

2. Hill outperformed Campbell in GSAx last year and has outperformed Campbell in GSAx/60 since Campbell's been a Leaf. Wedgewood also outperformed Campbell last year and throughout his entire Leafs tenure.


Sure. Sounds like we're both in agreement that they aren't in a rush to shed Varlamov's cap hit.

Goalies, especially unproven backups, are usually worth very little in a trade. Nevermind the fact that Adin Hill has never played more than 25 games in the NHL and is a pending UFA. Why would you trade our most tradable asset, who has a very favourable contract, for an unproven backup?.

 

[Americanadian]

Goalies, especially unproven backups, are usually worth very little in a trade. Nevermind the fact that Adin Hill has never played more than 25 games in the NHL and is a pending UFA. Why would you trade our most tradable asset, who has a very favourable contract, for an unproven backup?.

I suppose I value Kerfoot, who is also an impending UFA, less than you do. I personally think Hill is a good bet based on his underlying numbers and San Jose has incentive to move him due to their goalie situation. Campbell's career high in games was 31 before this season.

Who do you think is a realistic option in goal for the Leafs next year?