Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[zeke]

Suter+Parise buyouts = actual cap hell

 

[Buds17]

Fiala's a good add for LAK. I'm guessing that MIN will have still fared well (though perhaps not extremely so) here.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Sounds to me like the Kings might be a good trading partner for the Leafs. They have a lot of forwards and not many spots.

Holl could be a good target for them. Maybe even Sandin if they offer someone really good.

would something around Vilardi for Sandin work?

 

[BertCorbeau]

At least the Fiala deal should help get the market moving. Could be a fun offseason, especially at the draft.

 

[Menzinger]

Pretty damn good deal for LA.. get a PPG player signed through his prime at a reasonable cap hit for a mid rounder and what appears to be a B prospect. He hasn’t produced in the playoffs yet but that could change with experience - look at Hyman.

Minny making the best of their terrible, self induced dead cap issue.

Can’t see Nylander’s value being much higher considering contract status and all. So if that’s all the return would be, I keep Nylander. Don’t trade him for the sake of it.

If anything its actually good news for a potential Nylander extension down the road, if management wants to go down that route.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Suter+Parise buyouts = actual cap hell

Three years of it. This should be interesting.

 

[Menzinger]

Three years of it. This should be interesting.

The Wild are in a real unfortunate position. They've got a decent team, and a young star player. But these cap penalties almost make it better for them to blow it up and just tread water for a while

 

[ER89]

Oh Sorry, i didn't take in consideration than looking his teammate making play or score a goal with less than 2 minute in a game leafs trailing by 3 erase the fact he was an handicap first 58 minutes!!!! Sorry my bad... # overrated

Oh sorry I didn't take into account that this dude who you think is worth more than an 80 pt 7m player has been absolutely trash the past three years. #clueless. Am I doing this silly hashtag thing right?

 

[Ziggdiezan]

His 5v5 PPG is lower than Engvall's... though not by a lot. That's with Brown playing primarily with Stutzle (then Norris and Tkachuck), while Engvall was with Kampf and Mik. Yes, he's an excellent defensive player, but I just don't think he'd get the same opportunities here... Honestly, I don't think he is $3.5 mil vs. $1.5 mil better than Engvall.

Interesting, Engvall had a good year last year so it doesn't exactly surprise me though I know Brown obviously faced top competition with Engvall seeing 3/4th line comp which has a pretty good impact on production. I just recall looking at Browns 5 on 5 or even strength pace while in Ottawa and he done well the last few years. Ahead of some surprising names.
Edit: just checked and Brown had the same 5 on 5 points as Engvall in like 15 less games last year so confused about your comment


Ottawa play a pretty different style of hockey so I imagine it is hard to compare offensive stats (or defensive stats for that matter) across teams of such contrasting styles. I think he would play with better players than he normally plays with in Ottawa and would be a good complimentary player on one of the lines in the top 6. I also think the only way you get him is with retention and/or at the TDL so you can get him with a prorated cap hit as low as like 1.2 million i would think. It would be good value at that points and honestly the price probably won't be crazy.

 

[Sebastien]

The Wild are in a real unfortunate position. They've got a decent team, and a young star player. But these cap penalties almost make it better for them to blow it up and just tread water for a while

The owner will never allow it. The fan base in Minnesota will not show up for a rebuild. It happened when they tried on Guerin's 1st year

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Yeah 6 years of dead cap space is probably too much even if it's under 1M. I think in a couple years though the cap jumps up a ton and it's probably not something that would be that bad.

A shame you can't trade dead cap space.

Ya seems to be what they are projecting but who knows how much it will actually rise. I have seen some varied estimates

It would be nice to use one of your organizations main advantage when others get to leverage theirs with nice weather, lower taxes etc.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

would something around Vilardi for Sandin work?

Sandin is way better so no.

 

[Nylanderthal]

If you count number of goal marner reducing by playing a huge shutdown role against top opposite line and huge role on pk
Vs
Nylander defensive effect

number of goal marner scored+ goal marner help to save should be closer of 50 and number of goal nylander scored - leafs allowed because he didnt had any kind of interest playing defenside side... should be close to 20

When you only taken one aspect of the game...


Withdraw second assist he had on playoff where he did nothing and goal he scored trailing by 3 last 8 minutes or trailing by 4 in third period ( i dont care if a player scored when team already lost the game unstead a miracle)

You get 6 goal 2 pass in 19 game... not that far of what spezza bring playing 10 minutes/games

Sure remove stats from guys arbitrarily and their numbers look different. Similar to how you skew Gibsons numbers to fit your narrative you’re doing the same thing here wrt Willy and it’s disingenuous and not accurate at all.

 

[thusk]

Oh sorry I didn't take into account that this dude who you think is worth more than an 80 pt 7m player has been absolutely trash the past three years. #clueless. Am I doing this silly hashtag thing right?

Yeah for a team who look to win in REGULAR SEASON, hes fantastic... but a cheater in playoff most of the time, its a hancicap...

 

[SprDaVE]

would something around Vilardi for Sandin work?

Maybe? I haven't seen enough of Vilardi. But it's the frame work that I could see the Leafs being interested in.

 

[WTFMAN99]

At least the Fiala deal should help get the market moving. Could be a fun offseason, especially at the draft.

That's my main hope. I think buy out window opens soon right, we're at that 48 hours after the cup was awarded right?

PS Vilardi is slow...I'd keep Sandin.

 

[Brobust]

Interesting, Engvall had a good year last year so it doesn't exactly surprise me though I know Brown obviously faced top competition with Engvall seeing 3/4th line comp which has a pretty good impact on production. I just recall looking at Browns 5 on 5 or even strength pace while in Ottawa and he done well the last few years. Ahead of some surprising names.
Edit: just checked and Brown had the same 5 on 5 points as Engvall in like 15 less games last year so confused about your comment


Ottawa play a pretty different style of hockey so I imagine it is hard to compare offensive stats (or defensive stats for that matter) across teams of such contrasting styles. I think he would play with better players than he normally plays with in Ottawa and would be a good complimentary player on one of the lines in the top 6. I also think the only way you get him is with retention and/or at the TDL so you can get him with a prorated cap hit as low as like 1.2 million i would think. It would be good value at that points and honestly the price probably won't be crazy.

Leafs did not shelter Engvall at all. He's part of the Kampf line.

 

[thusk]

Sure remove stats from guys arbitrarily and their numbers look different. Similar to how you skew Gibsons numbers to fit your narrative you’re doing the same thing here wrt Willy and it’s disingenuous and not accurate at all.

Remove stats against worst NHL... team you will never playing in playoff to talk about what making you a better playoff team...Sure how a goalie played against trash team should tell how he should give chance against contender during playoff... so smart...

contrairly to you i dont care of regular season game because with marner matthews they will reach playoff probably every years... whats really matter is whats making leafs a better PLAYOFF team and a player who constantly cheating, awful defensivly, avoid contact,dont block any shot, playing most of the time against weaker opposition wi... who made look 2 of 3 best player worst (just not playing with marner) without be able to carry his own line... yeah sure leafs should get more nylander and become even more easy to beat.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Yes, IMO he's better than Kerfoot and Nylander.

Obviously he’s better than kerf. Grass is greener syndrome wrt Willy here though.

 

[ULF_55]

Connor Brown might be okay with Tavares and Nylander (off-wing).

He wouldn't continue to get 2 minutes a night on the PP, but could keep his PK time.

He is just a one year rental, like Kerfoot. A different type of player than Kerfoot, but really a grittier bottom sixer, same tier.

I'd be fine with a straight 1-1 swap.

However, due to the huge difference in compensation, I'd think a small retention by Ottawa would be in order.

Kerfoot real money before bonus payment: $2.7mm after bonus $750k.
Brown real money: $4mm

So before bonus payment, Sens retain $500k, after bonus payment Sens retain $1mm.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

I want Kerfoot out and replaced with Marchment

And I circle the wagons for Trochek as 3C if he can be had for somewhat reasonable term

 

[Maplebeasts]

If I’m reading right some posters on here think we couldn’t survive by trading a 34 goal scorer, who disappears for way too many games, is atrocious defensively, can’t play with Matthews, can’t play with Tavares,can’t drive his own line, can’t be trusted on the ice when leading late in a game.

I wish there was a dislike button. You could have saved us all time and IQ points by just telling us you don't know hockey.

 

[nuck]

If anything its actually good news for a potential Nylander extension down the road, if management wants to go down that route.

Why good news? Nylander did not think his actual comps were comparable as an RFA so no reason to think he won't be a harder re-sign on the next deal when the club has no leverage. There are some other FAs coming to help better establish the market but he was $1M more than Forsberg last time around so we will see where FF's new deal goes. When guys like Hertl with one 70pt season become $8M x 8 players what has to be going through Willie's mind? "I just wanted what I could get" remember? That's who he is, and it doesn't make him a bad guy but it does make him predictable.

 

[ULF_55]

Seems like most of those long backdiving contracts that the fans were screaming for the Leafs to sign have pretty much blown up in every team's faces except for the truly elite players.

In Minny's case, it cost them Fiala.

And Nashville gets out because Weber is "air quotes" injured.

Kind of wonder if there's a wink-wink nudge-nudge between the NHL and Nashville in this one.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Yep. The Wild have next to no room. They had to shed the salary this offseason.

It's funny, folks here always complain about the Leafs situation, but there are teams around the league with overwhelmingly worse situations

But why would we complain about the situation another team is in?

Dubas' fans always bring other teams into it for some reason. The Dubas haterz just want to concentrate on the Leafs. I think that's a big difference between the two groups.

It's like if we had our car stolen. One group says, yeah but other cars were stolen that night in North America too. And the other group is like, I don't care, my f***ing car was stolen.

Why are we constantly looking for other teams in worse situations than ourselves? Why don't we concentrate on being the best?