Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[The Podium]

Kerfoot is one of the best bottom 9 players in the game (at times I just feel like due to our team structure we could use a different fit). If we can't get a mid to late 1st rounder for him at 750K actual salary I think it would be time to officially pull the plug on dubas.

This isn’t the draft to trade 1sts. Especially before knowing the position of the pick.

Doubtful Kerfoot gets a 1st, but a 2nd + is realistic

 

[Cor]

Bottom nine player... that's a new term. LOL

As long as a replacement player that has a similar overall positive impact on the game, can be found for the same $ or less.



You are assuming a 22 man roster... Probably going with 21.

That isn't improvement on the situation at all lol

 

[Antropovsky]

Both Kallgren and Woll played pretty good as backups.... Woll was pretty much the starter in juniors over Jake Oettinger and Jake was the starter in Dallas this year. This isn't to say that Woll is better...but he should be ready for backup duties and Kallgren performed ok himself. We need to start giving these kids a dang chance like other teams are.... looks like we are fortunate to have cap problems. Otherwise I don't this Keefe would ever trust these kids.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Projecting Engvall to get 1.75Mx3 and Sandin to get 1.75Mx2, with Kallgren as the back up, I have the Leafs with 3.669M in cap space to sign 4 forwards - or an average of 916K per player.

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - Kampf - XXXXX
XXXXX - XXXXX - XXXXX
Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Gio - Liljegren
Sandin

Murray
Kallgren


Either some combination of Muzzin, Holl, Kerfoot are going to be moved, or we are F’d

I can't make it work without moving Muzzin on top of Kerfoot and Holl.

I did....

Strome 2.5M x 1
Gagner 800k x1
Domi 2M x1
Engvall 1.85M x2
Helm 1x1
Jones 1.5M x1
Sandin 1M x1
Kulak 2.5M x2 (might be too low)

I wouldn't feel good about Kallgren or not adding another defenseman but I would want another forward to play with our group but only 373k

 

[Morgs]

Kerfoot is one of the best bottom 9 players in the game (at times I just feel like due to our team structure we could use a different fit). If we can't get a mid to late 1st rounder for him at 750K actual salary I think it would be time to officially pull the plug on dubas.

He's a 1 year rental, what team is going to pay a mid-1st for him? A 2nd round pick, with potentially a small add is far more likely.

 

[pspot]

That isn't improvement on the situation at all lol

which situation? best regular season record in team history

 

[Cor]

I can't make it work without moving Muzzin on top of Kerfoot and Holl.

I did....

Strome 2.5M x 1
Gagner 800k x1
Domi 2M x1
Engvall 1.85M x2
Helm 1x1
Jones 1.5M x1
Sandin 1M x1
Kulak 2.5M x2 (might be too low)

I wouldn't feel good about Kallgren or not adding another defenseman but I would want another forward to play with our group but only 373k

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without trading anyone, I have

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - Kampf - Kase
Simmonds - Gagner - Anderson

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Gio - Liljegren
Sandin

Murray
Kallgren

419K In cap space lol

Kase 1x1.75
Sandin 2x1.75
Engvall 3x1.75
Gagner 1x750K

 

[Magic Man]

I can't make it work without moving Muzzin on top of Kerfoot and Holl.

I did....

Strome 2.5M x 1
Gagner 800k x1
Domi 2M x1
Engvall 1.85M x2
Helm 1x1
Jones 1.5M x1
Sandin 1M x1
Kulak 2.5M x2 (might be too low)

I wouldn't feel good about Kallgren or not adding another defenseman but I would want another forward to play with our group but only 373k

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I feel like Spezza to Gagner and Holl to Kulak are unnecessary downgrades and they come out more expensive. I don't want to run back the same team, but I don't want a worse team.

Matt Murray and Martin Jones is a grotesque goaltending duo. Just bloody awful.

Dylan Strome's going into his 6th pro season and still hasn't thrown a body check.

 

[WTFMAN99]

without trading anyone, I have

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - Kampf - Kase
Simmonds - Gagner - Anderson

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Gio - Liljegren
Sandin

Murray
Kallgren

419K In cap space lol

Kase 1x1.75
Sandin 2x1.75
Engvall 3x1.75
Gagner 1x750K

Yikes

I feel like Spezza to Gagner and Holl to Kulak are unnecessary downgrades and they come out more expensive. I don't want to run back the same team, but I don't want a worse team.

Matt Murray and Martin Jones is a grotesque goaltending duo. Just bloody awful.

Dylan Strome's going into his 6th pro season and still hasn't thrown a body check.

Gagner had a pretty solid season with Detroit

Kulak is better than Holl

I am in the exact same boat in that I don't want to run back the same group or come back worse but it's hard to fit in another goalie better than Murray after only getting 25% retained on him.

I would like to run a sheltered offensive line of Robertson-Strome-88 since 88 and JT have zero chemistry together, similar to Kessel getting his own line in Pittsburgh.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Besides Nick Cousins, Colin Miller and Zach Senyshyn, who do y'all think we'll target in free agency tomorrow?

 

[DraftSchmaft]

He's a 1 year rental, what team is going to pay a mid-1st for him? A 2nd round pick, with potentially a small add is far more likely.

I said mid to late not just mid. There might be bubble teams who have a structure that needs a Kerfoot long term and has no problem giving a pick in the 16-20 range with plans to lock him up.

Yes it's more probable it's a late first (with my range). Kerfoot has risen to being one of the best pkers in the game he's a solid add for most teams that are chasing a cup.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

Do you guys think 1st + sandin + robertson for jakob chychrun w/ retention is fair?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Do you guys think 1st + sandin + robertson for jakob chychrun w/ retention is fair?

Not really, seems like a lot for Chychrun, never plays a full season and he's just a "good" top 4 defenseman, plus that further complicates our salary cap.

 

[Magic Man]

Yikes



Gagner had a pretty solid season with Detroit

Kulak is better than Holl

I am in the exact same boat in that I don't want to run back the same group or come back worse but it's hard to fit in another goalie better than Murray after only getting 25% retained on him.

I would like to run a sheltered offensive line of Robertson-Strome-88 since 88 and JT have zero chemistry together, similar to Kessel getting his own line in Pittsburgh.

Kulak has one good season, Holl has had a few. Kulak is left handed when the Leafs would get more out of a right shot. Too be honest, kind of like Murray in for Mrazek or Gagner in for Spezza, these are like the closest comparables to eachother in the entire league. Kulak is even a pretty good comparable for Holl.

I'm hoping for better team building from our anointed leader. Something that resembles Tampa Bay's. But, I'm probably not going to come out of this impressed lol.

 

[Morgs]

I said mid to late not just mid. There might be bubble teams who have a structure that needs a Kerfoot long term and has no problem giving a pick in the 16-20 range with plans to lock him up.

Yes it's more probable it's a late first (with my range). Kerfoot has risen to being one of the best pkers in the game he's a solid add for most teams that are chasing a cup.

Eh I think you're setting yourself up for failure here. My guess is we'll see something like a mid-2nd + 5th/lower end prospect. Even with Kerfoot having a great season I just don't see him as a guy worth a 1st no matter how much I like him as a player.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

Eh I think you're setting yourself up for failure here. My guess is we'll see something like a mid-2nd + 5th/lower end prospect. Even with Kerfoot having a great season I just don't see him as a guy worth a 1st no matter how much I like him as a player.

Agreed. A lot of fans had issues with Kerfoot, but he played well. Not well enough for a 1st rounder, though.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

This isn’t the draft to trade 1sts. Especially before knowing the position of the pick.

Doubtful Kerfoot gets a 1st, but a 2nd + is realistic

I dunno....this is Kerfoots biggest prime year at 27 years old and he can get you 50 points and good to elite penalty killing. Teams close to winning don't know where they will be 3-4 years from now so might just finish off their special teams with Kerfoot and go for it. Bust rate is still massively high in that late first range no matter how good the draft is. Stanley cup trumps everything, speed up that late first rounder development into a prime Kerfoot at 27 years old.

Kerfoots fitness level makes me not want him to even go. He's a middle class breakout candidate for next seasons playoffs.

 

[TML Dynasty]

Ok the theories about getting the trade done before the buyout window are incorrect as ottawa we’re not able to buy him out since he finished the season on ltir.

The move is so puzzling that there must be more:

1. There another trade coming with ottawa where we get a better return

2. It’s an LTIR play knowing he’s cooked and won’t play again…..curtain of silence around this so they can not get hosed on the goalie market

I’m grasping here…..

 

[Magic Man]

Teams seem a little more willing to move their 1sts for players like Kerfoot at the deadline. Fiala only got 19 + a B-prospect. Prices drop a little bit when there will be players available for free within the next week.

 

[hamzarocks]

without trading anyone, I have

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - Kampf - Kase
Simmonds - Gagner - Anderson

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Gio - Liljegren
Sandin

Murray
Kallgren

419K In cap space lol

Kase 1x1.75
Sandin 2x1.75
Engvall 3x1.75
Gagner 1x750K

Kase is a UFA after no Q/O sent his way. Think leafs decided to move on from him

Think we'll look at a healthier player than Kase for the 3RW spot

 

[crump]

Only thing I can possibly think of is that maybe Murray isn't healthy and won't play again and with Ottawa only retaining 25%, it actually gives the Leafs more money in case Murray is LTIR for his career.

So we get LTIR space plus the draft picks. Dubas is a genius!!! (This is my only hope for a positive outcome for this) Robidas Island has vacancy right now.

 

[Morgs]

Ok the theories about getting the trade done before the buyout window are incorrect as ottawa we’re not able to buy him out since he finished the season on ltir.

The move is so puzzling that there must be more:

1. There another trade coming with ottawa where we get a better return

2. It’s an LTIR play knowing he’s cooked and won’t play again…..curtain of silence around this so they can not get hosed on the goalie market

I’m grasping here…..

Or maybe they see value in Murray. Ottawa was rumoured before the trade to only be able to do 25% so it appears that a) trading to get a second retention was too pricy or b) they decided that the 17th most expensive cap hit for a goalie coming off a very good season was worth it to get for free + a 3rd.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Kulak has one good season, Holl has had a few. Kulak is left handed when the Leafs would get more out of a right shot. Too be honest, kind of like Murray in for Mrazek or Gagner in for Spezza, these are like the closest comparables to eachother in the entire league. Kulak is even a pretty good comparable for Holl.

I'm hoping for better team building from our anointed leader. Something that resembles Tampa Bay's. But, I'm probably not going to come out of this impressed lol.

Holl was always carried by Muzzin. Kulak is left handed but can play RD and LD, similar to Brodie, in fact he carried Romanov, if you check stats with Kulak vs any other partner, Romanov nose dives without him and he did well in Edmonton as well.

Late bloomer which is why you might get the chance to grab him at a reasonable 2.5M (if we're lucky) - the only thing I dislike is how soft the D would become.

I just see a salary cap noose unless Dubas shocks us.

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

I wanted to see Kerfoot's low real dollars be used to get more retention in the Murray trade, but can still do it for Reimer.

Not sure sharks would be interested in a one year UFA, so might need a third team. Vancouver takes Kerfoot and his 750k, retains half on Reimer, and we get some more picks because Kerfoot's value is higher than Reimer's.

Reimer is a good tandem for Murray I think. A safer choice that can give you 30 games, or more if Murray is injured a lot.

 

[BertCorbeau]

It’s unsettling how little chatter there is around moving Holl. I’m wondering if the Sandin situation is making Dubas hesitate moving him.