Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[Gilles Meloche]

For me Murray with any of Samsonov/Blackwood/Comrie would be a good tandem to roll with.

 

[Fogelhund]

Ehhhh I don't know about that one. I think people spitting on the 3rd are sleeping on it. It's a valued asset.

At this point, the cap space is a bigger asset than a 3rd, at least in my opinion.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Has there been a statement from Leafs that Murray is the starter?

Is there any chance they acquired him to LTIR for the season? Or is that just wishful thinking.

 

[Fogelhund]

Sens were not doing 50% for anything. They are a cash poor team.

This is true for sure, otherwise they wouldn't have done the trade in the first place. I would have liked to have brought in a third team, Arizona/Chicago, and had them take a chunk too.

 

[SprDaVE]

At this point, the cap space is a bigger asset than a 3rd, at least in my opinion.

I guess it's a wait and see thing. Cap space is always gold of course. I think a 3rd is a little more valuable than people think though. It does have trade value and I think we'll see it used in some way. Could be as early as next week, but more likely in-season when cap space accrues.

I will say that regardless what the Leafs did to acquire a different goaltender, their cap space would be in worse shape in comparison.

 

[Fogelhund]

Has there been a statement from Leafs that Murray is the starter?

Is there any chance they acquired him to LTIR for the season? Or is that just wishful thinking.

I had wondered about the LTIR too. It doesn't give us additional cap space, so that wouldn't be a reason. The only reason to take him in a trade, with the expectation of putting him on LTIR, is the return. I can't believe a team would trade for a player, with $15 mil in salary over the next two years (25% covered by Ottawa), just to put him on LTIR, and the return being a 3rd and 7th... that doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Buds17]

Has there been a statement from Leafs that Murray is the starter?

Is there any chance they acquired him to LTIR for the season? Or is that just wishful thinking.

I don't see why Murray would have rejected the trade to Buffalo if he wasn't going to be playing anyway. I imagine Murray can be pencilled in as the starter now if Kallgren or Woll is going to be his complement, but it's likely far too early to determine anything of that sort in July.

 

[Cor]

Leafs have to move some combination of Muzzin, Holl or Kerfoot now right?

Like we don’t have cap pace really past what Engvall, Sandin, and 750-950K fillers.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

I guess it's a wait and see thing. Cap space is always gold of course. I think a 3rd is a little more valuable than people think though. It does have trade value and I think we'll see it used in some way. Could be as early as next week, but more likely in-season when cap space accrues.

I will say that regardless what the Leafs did to acquire a different goaltender, their cap space would be in worse shape in comparison.

I sort of put together capfriendly teams for fun that had about 7M allocated to their tandem, even with Murray at 50%. If they can stay at that figure combined for the two - the fact they didn't get the 50% retention will matter less to me, so we'll have to wait and see.

For ex - two situations:

Option A) Leafs get Murray at 50%, no draft picks at all, and get Comrie 1x2.5m - totals around 6M

Option B) Leafs get Murray at 25%, take the 3rd and trade it to SJ for Reimer or ANA for Stolarz - totals around 6.8 or 5.5 (lower than option A!).

Either scenario works out to a tandem and salary commitment I think is comfortable enough to work with, and makes the whole 25% vs 50% debate (one i'm most irked by with the trade, since I thought they would get 50% in some capacity) - much less important.

 

[aingefan]

Right forgot about that. Still that would happen anywhere all though those were directed at his wife which is just bad, but still a few idiots shouldn't affect your decision but maybe it does and thats understandable.

Sone of our fans are the worst.
It’s a sport for entertainment.

 

[pspot]

Leafs have to move some combination of Muzzin, Holl or Kerfoot now right?

Like we don’t have cap pace really past what Engvall, Sandin, and 750-950K fillers.

they have 6.3 in capspace with 10 fwds (including clifford and Robertson) and 6 Dmen
they don't necessarily have to move anyone out if Dubas wants to run back last years team with some tweaks

 

[ULF_55]

they have 6.3 in capspace with 10 fwds (including clifford and Robertson) and 6 Dmen
they don't necessarily have to move anyone out if Dubas wants to run back last years team with some tweaks

It would force them to use prospects, and as I've said we aren't talking 20 year old players just out of junior.

They have prospects 22, 23, 24, 25, 26 years old, all waiver exempt.

Kyle show us what your scouting staff can do!

 

[Fogelhund]

I find it curious, that Papetti is so focused on Takeaways/60. Yes, Donato is a vanilla player, who at $2 mil seems to be overpaid. At $1 mil or less, you don't have an issue with such a player. But, for the last two seasons, his team gets scored much more when he's on the ice, than his team scores, despite starts being heavily skewed to the offensive zone. He's not someone to get excited about in my opinion, particularly not at $2 mil.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Has there been a statement from Leafs that Murray is the starter?

Is there any chance they acquired him to LTIR for the season? Or is that just wishful thinking.

I don't like dubas but even he's not dumb enough to wipe out cap space that can accrue. Murray is his guy.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I really can't stand dubas now and have no faith in him, but as a Leaf fan I'm going to cheer really hard for Murray to rebound and have a great season.

 

[Fogelhund]

Leafs have to move some combination of Muzzin, Holl or Kerfoot now right?

Like we don’t have cap pace really past what Engvall, Sandin, and 750-950K fillers.

Have to... no. Muzzin never was likely to move. Holl... maybe. Kerfoot, you can't replace him for the money we are spending on him now. Guys like him are going to get more like $4.5- 5 as UFA's now.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Leafs have to move some combination of Muzzin, Holl or Kerfoot now right?

Like we don’t have cap pace really past what Engvall, Sandin, and 750-950K fillers.

Have to... no. Muzzin never was likely to move. Holl... maybe. Kerfoot, you can't replace him for the money we are spending on him now. Guys like him are going to get more like $4.5- 5 as UFA's now.

Lots of unqualified RFA going to UFA, you may get a chance at some for cheaper than the 3.5 but some team might care that Kerfoot is only a 750k salary.

 

[Fogelhund]

Lots of unqualified RFA going to UFA, you may get a chance at some for cheaper than the 3.5 but some team might care that Kerfoot is only a 750k salary.

That's the reason you consider moving Kerfoot. If you can sign a similar guy, to a similar contract, while trading Kerfoot for assets. It's smart asset management, if it can be done properly.

 

[Apex Predator]

If the Leafs trade Holl/Kerfoot for picks/prospects that will leave them with just over 10 million to spend on Sandin/Engvall, back up goalie/tandem, top 6 winger and rework bottom 6.

They won’t be spending money on a top 6 winger but someone that they think can work with Tavares and Nylander.

 

[WTFMAN99]

That's the reason you consider moving Kerfoot. If you can sign a similar guy, to a similar contract, while trading Kerfoot for assets. It's smart asset management, if it can be done properly.

Kerfoot *should* be worth a 2nd right? 50+ points, LW/C and all the production came at even strength or PK

Edited - no coffee.

 

[Fogelhund]

Kerfoot *should* be worth a 2nd right? 50+ points, LW/C and all the production came at even strength or centre.

A second, maybe even a late first. Or a young cost controlled player, at a position of need. I had always thought sending him and Holl to NJD for Blackwood and McLeod made sense for both orgs... but now it seems NJD are intent on running with Blackwood. It seemed that they were going to move Blackwood at some point, but their tune has changed.

 

[WTFMAN99]

A second, maybe even a late first. Or a young cost controlled player, at a position of need. I had always thought sending him and Holl to NJD for Blackwood and McLeod made sense for both orgs... but now it seems NJD are intent on running with Blackwood. It seemed that they were going to move Blackwood at some point, but their tune has changed.

McLeod is someone I liked but there is some noise there with the hockey Canada investigation.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Kerfoot *should* be worth a 2nd right? 50+ points, LW/C and all the production came at even strength or centre.

Kerfoot is one of the best bottom 9 players in the game (at times I just feel like due to our team structure we could use a different fit). If we can't get a mid to late 1st rounder for him at 750K actual salary I think it would be time to officially pull the plug on dubas.

 

[Cor]

Projecting Engvall to get 1.75Mx3 and Sandin to get 1.75Mx2, with Kallgren as the back up, I have the Leafs with 3.669M in cap space to sign 4 forwards - or an average of 916K per player.

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - Kampf - XXXXX
XXXXX - XXXXX - XXXXX
Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Gio - Liljegren
Sandin

Murray
Kallgren


Either some combination of Muzzin, Holl, Kerfoot are going to be moved, or we are F’d

 

[Fogelhund]

Kerfoot is one of the best bottom 9 players in the game (at times I just feel like due to our team structure we could use a different fit). If we can't get a mid to late 1st rounder for him at 750K actual salary I think it would be time to officially pull the plug on dubas.

Bottom nine player... that's a new term. LOL

As long as a replacement player that has a similar overall positive impact on the game, can be found for the same $ or less.

Projecting Engvall to get 1.75Mx3 and Sandin to get 1.75Mx2, with Kallgren as the back up, I have the Leafs with 3.669M in cap space to sign 4 forwards - or an average of 916K per player.

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall - Kampf - XXXXX
XXXXX - XXXXX - XXXXX
Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Gio - Liljegren
Sandin

Murray
Kallgren


Either some combination of Muzzin, Holl, Kerfoot are going to be moved, or we are F’d

You are assuming a 22 man roster... Probably going with 21.