Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[kb]

Potential Pro: Major sweeteners attached to acquiring Matt Murray
Potential Con: The Leafs risking 6.25M of their cap space on the aforementioned

It's full retention, so half of that.

 

[The Podium]

Honestly to get a price that makes sense to move him you are way better off buying him out.

Ottawa doesn’t have the money

 

[OVO16]

I see Justin Holl being involved. Sens are looking for a potential top 4 D.

Murray @50% + Sweeteners for Justin Holl

 

[BackPassChampions]

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[BertCorbeau]

He blocked the only other trade they lined up which saw them retaining and moving back from 7th to 16th.

Edmonton is likely going UFA route so Ottawa's only option is Toronto.

If you're Dubas, you squeeze the living hell out of Dorion on this.

Worst case? You sign him to a better contract as a UFA if he's bought out.

If Dubas is going this route I hope to hell he squeezes Dorian for everything.

 

[BackPassChampions]

He blocked the only other trade they lined up which saw them retaining and moving back from 7th to 16th.

Edmonton is likely going UFA route so Ottawa's only option is Toronto.

If you're Dubas, you squeeze the living hell out of Dorion on this.

Worst case? You sign him to a better contract as a UFA if he's bought out.

What's the context of this?

 

[Buds17]

It's full retention, so half of that.

Full retention and major sweeteners? Then again, this is a team that's apparently been trying to trade Murray within the division quite a bit (the MTL rumour, Buffalo and now Toronto).

 

[stickty111]

Major sweetners sounds positive but it still needs to be 50%.

 

[kb]

I see Justin Holl being involved. Sens are looking for a potential top 4 D.

Murray @50% + Sweeteners for Justin Holl

Even with sweeteners and max retention, it's not worth giving them value. Holl has value.

Full retention and major sweeteners? Then again, this is a team that's apparently been trying to trade Murray within the division quite a bit (the MTL rumour, Buffalo and now Toronto).

Yep. They had retention and switching picks 7 and 16 on the table in the deal with Buffalo. That's a major sweetener there.

 

[OVO16]

Even with sweeteners and max retention, it's not worth giving them value. Holl has value.

What if the sweeteners are multiple picks? 3rd pick + 5th rd pick. Maybe a player involved as well.

Holl's value was around a 3rd pick anyways

 

[WTFMAN99]

What's the context of this?

There was a trade lined up prior to / at the draft which would have seen Murray retained and the 7th overall pick traded to Buffalo for the 16th, Sens were gonna drop quite a ways back while retaining. Murray blocked the trade with his NTC.

Insiders have said he will waive for Edmonton or Toronto. Edmonton likely going UFA route leaving Toronto as Dorion's only option as a trade partner, the Leafs should not let him off the hook lightly or force the buy out and sign Murray cheap and get a good secondary goalie too.

 

[ToneDog]

What if the sweeteners are multiple picks? 3rd pick + 5th rd pick. Maybe a player involved as well.

Holl's value was around a 3rd pick anyways

If the Sens are trying to save money, take Kerfoot please.

 

[kb]

What if the sweeteners are multiple picks? 3rd pick + 5th rd pick. Maybe a player involved as well.

Holl's value was around a 3rd pick anyways

Exactly, if Holl has that value.....use it in a different deal. Make a deal with the Sens for essentially nothing (conditional pick, low end prospect), and then move out Holl for another pick. Not sure Ottawa is wanting to send multiple picks out in the stage of the rebuild that they are in.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I’d guess that Dubas had set his pride and Dorian is doing everything he can to bring him down from it.. hope Dubas stands firm

 

[Buds17]

Even with sweeteners and max retention, it's not worth giving them value. Holl has value.


Yep. They had retention and switching picks 7 and 16 on the table in the deal with Buffalo. That's a major sweetener there.

Fair enough. I'd still probably hope that we aren't trading away anything that has the equivalent value of that 16th overall.

 

[OVO16]

Exactly, if Holl has that value.....use it in a different deal. Make a deal with the Sens for essentially nothing (conditional pick, low end prospect), and then move out Holl for another pick. Not sure Ottawa is wanting to send multiple picks out in the stage of the rebuild that they are in.

They're all in for next season. I can see them trading multiple picks if it lands a top 4 Defenseman

 

[kb]

If the Sens are trying to save money, take Kerfoot please.

That makes no sense. Send him to AZ for picks. No need to use him when the cost for Murray should be zero.

He had 51 points and has a cash price tag of $750k for this season.

Fair enough. I'd still probably hope that we aren't trading away anything that has the equivalent value of that 16th overall.

If we were getting back the 7th and full retention, that's about as big of a no brainer as there is.

 

[BackPassChampions]

There was a trade lined up prior to / at the draft which would have seen Murray retained and the 7th overall pick traded to Buffalo for the 16th, Sens were gonna drop quite a ways back while retaining. Murray blocked the trade with his NTC.

Insiders have said he will waive for Edmonton or Toronto. Edmonton likely going UFA route leaving Toronto as Dorion's only option as a trade partner, the Leafs should not let him off the hook lightly or force the buy out and sign Murray cheap and get a good secondary goalie too.

Gotcha. Thanks.

I would think EDM would likely be more interested in Campbell. I know health concern is a hot topic with Murray, but if you look at the goalies that were available, it looks like most of them do.

Maybe I'm in a minority here, but I'm not that upset if we end up with Murray, with retention and whatever the sweetener may be. I hope he can bounce back and our new goalie coach can instill some good conditioning.

We still have more time to acquire another goalie and possibly run with a tandem.

This should be interesting.

 

[ToneDog]

That makes no sense. Send him to AZ for picks. No need to use him when the cost for Murray should be zero.

He had 51 points and has a cash price tag of $750k for this season.

Not throwing in Kerfoot. I want a good return since he is only owed $750K for the season.

 

[kb]

They're all in for next season. I can see them trading multiple picks if it lands a top 4 Defenseman

They aren't all in because of the issues with the estate, but they are trying to make it look better for a sale. If that's the case, then they really have to be sending a top prospect and picks.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Ottawa doesn't necessarily have to be the team to retain, you could park half his cap hit in Arizona or Chicago for a pick and keep the leftover sweeteners.

 

[BallardEra]

Georgiev gets $3.4 million a year from the Avs.

 

[Legion34]

Georgiev gets $3.4 million a year from the Avs.

Yikes I wouldn’t mind 3.1 for 2 years for Murray at this point

 

[Buds17]

Georgiev gets $3.4 million a year from the Avs.

While I think they've downgraded in goal overall, their tandem could very well end up being cheaper than Kuemper alone.

 

[Gilles Meloche]

Blackwood/Murray would be a tandem I wouldn’t mind