Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[Tony Romo]

I'm more concerned about forward. hopefully someone that can score in an elimination game

 

[Jmo89]

I'm not big on Murray but I bet you he manages to win at least one OT playoff game.

Would definitely prefer someone else though.

Anyone decent they can get as 1B if they get Murray for 50% off?

 

[kb]

See, my concern with this line of thinking is while Kerfoot is completely expendable, he's still a 50 point scorer while Murray is a borderline NHL washout at this moment. Just don't love the risky bets Toronto seems to be willing to entertain.

And I don't see it as a major issue. Leafs could send a pick/prospect for Marchessault (Vegas needs to move tons of cap), for example, and it's moot.

Murray isn't an NHL washout. He's not a #1, granted, but he's still NHL calible and won't be the #1.

Why not take on sweeteners to put your team in a better spot?

 

[Dreakmur]

I'd almost want him double retained at 50% and have a 3rd team in there if we're taking a shot at Murray.

There is no reason to believe he'd be any better than Mrazek was at thos point.

There's definitely some reasons to think he can bounce back.... but that doesn't make it a good bet.

 

[BertCorbeau]

May have well just stuck with Mrazek if they get Murray

 

[kb]

There's definitely some reasons to think he can bounce back.... but that doesn't make it a good bet.

It's fine to hope for a bounce back if he's not your full time starter.

 

[WTFMAN99]

May have well just stuck with Mrazek if they get Murray

Like the sweeteners would need to be stupid.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Like the sweeteners would need to be stupid.

this is all im thinking of...it has to be ridiculously good sweetners to get rid of him...which we can perhaps use to get our true goalie ? that's all im thinking of now.

 

[Avilaj07]

If we can somehow get Murray at 50% plus Formenton. That would be some great work by Dubas.

 

[Stephen]

Sens won't buy him out.

We really shouldn't get involved with this one.

 

[Stephen]

this is all im thinking of...it has to be ridiculously good sweetners to get rid of him...which we can perhaps use to get our true goalie ? that's all im thinking of now.

But then we'll have Murray on the books stinking up the cap.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

You're positive about this but as a Dubas fan, this is pushing me to the other side. I'll see what the deal is first

It really comes down to "what is the alternative"?

The goalie market sucks this year. Campbell is rumoured to be getting 5 x 4 or 5 years. I don't see how anyone could like that for a 30 year old Campbell with a greater track record of sub .900 play than play that will be good enough to win us a Cup.

Kuemper could very well get 6 x 6, which is even worse considering he is 32 and wasn't even all that elite on that Cup run.

If Gibson even wants to come here, you are giving up major assets for a goalie on a 6.4 x 4 deal when he is arguably not even worth 5 mill based on his play the past few years. And you are hoping he bounces back.

Even at the beginning before any moves were made... Husso is making almost 5 mill after only having one year of being anything more than being a #3 goalie as a 27 year old. Georgiev cost serious assets and I think I'd rather bet on Murray TBH. Fleury is old, and he is the one who looks the most attractive out of the whole bunch.

It pretty much leaves Varlamov as the only option that looks remotely more attractive than Murray at 50%, and that is excluding whatever else comes along with Murray for Ottawa to dump him. Or we could take a swing at a young Blackwood or Kahkonen type if Jersey/San Jose was willing to move them and hope that they can play up... Which we can still do even if we bring in Murray at 50%.

 

[Stigma]

Kerfoot

for

Matt Murray (50%) retained
Alex Formenton
JBD

I'd love this, but I think we would probably have to add something. Abruzzese?

I like the idea of getting our LW in a bigger deal with Ottawa. If we're going to help them with Murray, may as well address some other needs.

 

[613Leafer]

There's definitely some reasons to think he can bounce back.... but that doesn't make it a good bet.

It's fine to bet on Murray if he's the #2 guy. But crazy risky to bet on him to be our #1.

Maybe you bring in Talbot and Murray. Talbot gives us one year as a starter, with Murray there to potentially take over if he regains his old form.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

But then we'll have Murray on the books stinking up the cap.

im assuming there has to be cap retention otherwise, we aren't looking into this. We definitely need more chips at the table to get things rolling for the back end.

 

[htpwn]

My 2¢.

Murray alone cannot be the sole solution in net for us, which means we're going to need enough cap space to sign or acquire a solid tandem goalie. That means max. retention or near it, which is going to limit any additional assets we receive.

Working in our favour is that Murray cleared waivers last year, has an .898SV% over the last three years (worse than Mrazek), and has a modified NTC, limiting where he can be sent (he recently vetoed a trade to Buffalo). His value should be low, even at $3.125 million.

Working against us is that the Senators need some reason to do that deal. They don't really need the cap space. The real money off the books is good, I suppose, but they seem more willing to spend since Melnyk died. That Murray wants out is also a reason to move on.

All in all, Murray @50% + 3rd rounder <> 7th rounder + mediocre prospect would be ideal and fair value, IMO. But given we are also backed into a corner, and given the "intangibles" of Murray's Stanley Cup track record (however distant), I suspect any potential deal may look something more like Murray @ 25% retention ($4.69 cap hit) <> late pick. That would be tough to swallow after just paying the equivalent of a late 2nd/early 3rd to get out of a similarly troublesome goalie contract in Mrazek's.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Like the sweeteners would need to be stupid.

And then consider the value of the trade down at the draft too.

 

[Cor]

Getting Formenton, Zub, Brown or some combination of them would definitely make this far more interesting.

 

[kb]

this is all im thinking of...it has to be ridiculously good sweetners to get rid of him...which we can perhaps use to get our true goalie ? that's all im thinking of now.

This is it.....people need to think outside the box a bit.

Trade away Kerfoot for futures, and there is nothing wrong with having Murray as plan B and $10.5 million in cap space.

 

[WTFMAN99]

And then consider the value of the trade down at the draft too.

Getting Formenton, Zub, Brown or some combination of them would definitely make this far more interesting.

Murray 50%
Zub
1st OR Formenton + 2nd

For Kerfoot and Holl

 

[Dekes For Days]

Murray had a bad couple seasons between 2019-2021, but he actually had a positive GSAx this past year - Ottawa was just hot garbage in front of him. He wouldn't be my first choice, but not sure how people are panicking at the thought of Murray while simultaneously wanting to send out significant assets for somebody who has been bad for 3 years like Gibson.

 

[Stigma]

Okay, I'm starting to get pumped up for Formenton.

For those who don't know much about him, he's tall (6'3) and extremely fast. One of the fastest in the league. Great penalty killer and puck hound. He finally began scoring when put with Stutzle and Brown on the 2nd line this year (18 goals). So, that part of his game has started to develop. Only 22. Could be a good fit with JT and Nylander.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Okay, I'm starting to get pumped up for Formenton.

For those who don't know much about him, he's tall (6'3) and extremely fast. One of the fastest in the league. Great penalty killer and puck hound. He finally began scoring when put with Stutzle and Brown on the 2nd line this year (18 goals). So, that part of his game has started to develop. Only 22. Could be a good fit with JT and Nylander.

I wouldn't call him a natural finisher but he's an interesting player.

 

[Sypher04]

My 2¢.

Murray alone cannot be the sole solution in net for us, which means we're going to need enough cap space to sign or acquire a solid tandem goalie. That means max. retention or near it, which is going to limit any additional assets we receive.

Working in our favour is that Murray cleared waivers last year, has an .898SV% over the last three years (worse than Mrazek), and has a modified NTC, limiting where he can be sent (he recently vetoed a trade to Buffalo). His value should be low, even at $3.125 million.

Working against us is that the Senators need some reason to do that deal. They don't really need the cap space. The real money off the books is good, I suppose, but they seem more willing to spend since Melnyk died. That Murray wants out is also a reason to move on.

All in all, Murray @50% + 3rd rounder <> 7th rounder + mediocre prospect would be ideal and fair value, IMO. But given we are also backed into a corner, and given the "intangibles" of Murray's Stanley Cup track record (however distant), I suspect any potential deal may look something more like Murray @ 25% retention ($4.69 cap hit) <> late pick. That would be tough to swallow after just paying the equivalent of a late 2nd/early 3rd to get out of a similarly troublesome goalie contract in Mrazek's.

I think Ottawa’s willingness to spend in other areas may be based on an understanding this contract commitment will be reduced before free agency. The real dollars very much matter for them and clearing out 7.5m via trade at 50% retention is better than clearing out 5m via buyout.

The Leafs are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. Murray’s AAV will either have to be at 50% imo or there’s no deal.

And I still think the ask for sweetener will be fairly notable. Because, unless Murray bounces back on a good team like ours, and he may well do so, he’s overpaid at 3.125 still as well. Sweetener could be something a little less easily quantifiable like a draft pick, and maybe more like a reduced cost to acquire to pull someone else we are interested in from their roster

 

[Torontonian]

The sweetener on a Murray deal needs to be Pinto or Formenton with Murray at 50%. Needs to be worth our wild getting a good young player.

C.Brown has 0 interest to me to add in this deal, you can always trade for a player like Brown at the deadline.